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  1. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    That is why it is especially bad with pay to win here. Who wants a grind fest game anyway? Koreans perhaps, they seem to love it. I personally don't, and you probably don't either.
    In the west we are not that into the whole grind thing, as you said, which would be why many people would prefer to buy their way to the best gear, and as such it just becomes a pay to win, to ever have a chance to compete with other people.
    But enough about this already. It isn't like I don't get the gist of what you are saying. Have a nice one buddy.
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  2. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    Well, it is his loss really, I mean besides losing his head, that stuff hurts.
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  3. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    How much have you played MMORPGs? People almost feel forced to buy cash shop items in these types of games, or they wont catch up. They simply wont. How many 15+ maxed gear players do you know in Tera? If you want to compete in PvP, you are certainly not in luck, unless you pay to get the gear. By pay, I of course mean real money.
     
    Everyone wont get 15+ in MMORPGs, you seem to think everyone will eventually get there, that is simply untrue. The game is basically run by pay to win players, they get there first, they hold their position at the top. When new gear comes, they quickly get that, and the grind fest people just got the second best gear to 15+. Tough luck, I guess.
     
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  4. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    Good point, but then again, thanks to the pay to win option, expect a lot, and I mean, a lot more over powered players. This makes it all the less enjoyable for you, the player that can't afford to buy cash shop items.
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  5. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    The win part isn't literal, you realize this, right? We are talking about an MMORPG, and I am talking about advantage. You keep comparing one player to the next. I am not doing that. I am talking about the same player, one guy that can make two choices. Spend however many months to reach the end-goal, or reach it today, but there is a catch. He has to pay to get it, real money, that is.
    That is called pay to win. Before you say no, I am sorry, that is what it is called. If you think I sit here and making up this, then that is on you. I am really not. You can tell me it is stupid, yeah perhaps it should be called something else. But why are you arguing how illogical you find it? How is that going to change the word? Now, accept it, or don't use it. But the next time someone says pay to win, you at least understand what they are trying to say.
    There is the type you are talking about, which is the serious part. But there is also the part myself, and others have been trying to tell you about. The "win" part is simply a cheat code. You can use a cheat code if you want, it is boring though, but do as you please.
    I bet however, it would affect other people if they are competitive, don't you think? Say they have the best guild. Then you make a guild, and everyone on your guild is a pay to win player. You will reach the best gear far faster than the other guild. You have more "maxed" out members, and you win. You did not deserve it, in the game world, but you got it, because you decided to pay your way to the top. Other people will be affected. Not your problem? Yes, true, but that is an option.
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  6. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    I mean, I understand where he is coming from, but he can't accept that pay to win has more than one definition.
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  7. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    But who are you competing against? You can only win for yourself, unless we talk about PvP.
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  8. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    I never said it affects other people. No, pay to win means winning, not buying anything. I have no idea where you got that idea from. Buying a costume wont be pay to win, unless you sell it, and use the money to get the best gear. If you can't sell it, then you can't make it pay to win, the issue isn't buying cash shop items. The issue is in the benfit outside of wearing it yourself.
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  9. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    Hey, if you got an issue with the definition, then I am not the right guy to argue with. All I have been telling you is what the words pay to win generally means. It makes enough sense for a lot of players, for this to be an actual phrase.
    But you are missing the point when you compare my experience, my way of reaching the top with other people, that have yet to do so, or did it through other means. That is missing the whole point. If you just focus on factual things, you do realize that it is, in fact pay to win. Not, pay to reach the top faster. That is not what I am saying. You pay money, you get the end stuff, you are done, roll your thumbs now, or whatever.
    Would this become easier if I just say the end game is to obtain a candy bar. And if you use the cash shop, you can get it in one hour, instead of 3 months. You can still use 3 months, sure, but you can win by simply paying as well. Now, don't compare yourself with other people, their experiences, or anything else. Just focus on what you did to get the candy. You paid money to get it. Other people played the actual game, as it was designed to be done.
    Hopefully, by now, you catch the drift.
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  10. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    This guy got it. I can't help that the word for what I am saying is also pay to win. I do not make up definitions for words. I'd call it pay to advantage, or something, but that is not a thing. It is generally called pay to win, so that is what it means. All of what you said is known as pay to win, but not by me. I simply accept it, it makes sense enough.
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  11. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    I also said that selling a cash shop item in the auction house for gold, to later turn into the best gear is pay to win. You said, what do you gain from this, right?
    You win, in the only sense you can win a gear based MMORPG. There is no literal end to an MMORPG, in a sense. Yet, if you got the best gear, you have technically beaten the game. There is not much else you can win to become better than other players. I am not hear to discuss fairness, or anything. I am just saying what pay to win means.
    It is fine that you don't agree with the definition, and you are right about your own definition, I agree. What you do not understand however, is that what I am saying is also pay to win. You can't simply reject a definition for a word. If you don't like it, then so be it, that is your opinion, but according to the word itself, you are wrong.
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  12. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    I never said Black Desert Online was pay to win.
    Look, it does not matter, it isn't about me. I am just explaining what pay to win means, that is all. The rest if your own assumptions.
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  13. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    The picture supports my view. Specfically the one that says 1995 to 2004. I guess you didn't read it carefully. It said any boost, such as EXP boosts is pay to win.
    Yet you said skipping the grind is not pay to win. In your mind, throwing people to the end-game, making them the strongest they can be in the fastest way possible, thanks to money, is somehow not paying to win. Yet you literally win, in the best sense you can, in a gear based MMORPG. By having the best gear, beating everyone else, that just are not rich enough.
    You think everyone will stick around to grind for sometimes months, just for some gear, when a better one will come shortly after? Sounds, fun to you?
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  14. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    Alright, pay to win simply means, you pay to get any advantage in a game. The bigger advantage to the game play, the bigger pay to win it is. Say for instance, getting the best gear without grind is heavily pay to win, especially in games where gear makes you the strongest, instead of skills.
    League of Legends is not pay to win. No matter how much money you spend on the game, you wont get any advantage in any matches. There is simply nothing to boost you. Nothing to give you better items. You can simply buy skins, and things literally useless in the actual game.
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  15. Undead Rising added a post in a topic PM Diary 2.2 - Cash Shop and more   

    Well, it is true, that you can't "beat" an MMORPG. But that is irrelevant. The only important items you can get in a gear based MMORPG is gear. That is what you can buy by real money. This makes it pay to win. You talk as if there can't be a pay to win in MMORPGs which is ridiculous. You said "If the cash shop sold items of actual importance". Yeah, the most important is gear, which is what we are talking about. What the heck else could possibly be important? Pets? Dyes?
    You are literally describing pay to win, yet you for some reason deny its definition, and don't make up your own. You simply deny it, you never explained how an MMORPG can be pay to win. You deny gear being pay to win, in a gear based game, then what could possibly be pay to win?
    The comment about thick skin is funny, because I did not mention your emotions because of myself. By that I meant, I didn't want you to get emotional. I just find it ugly to cuss, that is all. We don't all like the same things.
    P.S: I never said I was going to play Black Desert Online. I said I am here to read about the game. I advice you to Google pay to win, so you can learn to know what it means. You might just be too young to know, so it is alright. You will hopefully learn one day.
     
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