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  1. Everyone hating on Kakao for having a maintenance for this needs to stfu, I dont have the horse outfit, but I DO have pearl items that I paid money for, and if they had been rendered useless by a bug I would be more annoyed than some nerd raging because he cant play the game for 1.5 hours. Granted that it shouldn't have been deleted in the first place. It is perfectly reasonable to hate on them for all the other broken stuff with their game, but having a maintenance to fix this for their paying customers instead of making them wait a week to use their purchased item which they bought with hard earned money is perfectly acceptable.

    And you need to remember that not every PAYING CUSTOMER bought the horse gear. Many of us who are funding this game spent our pearls on OTHER items, things like expanded storage, additional worker slots, value packs, things that are rendered useless during this emergency maintenance window (Now extended it seems) to address some cosmetic item that could have waited a week living under the 'known issues' list.

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  2. +1 for Al Rhundi rebels, was wondering if I was doing something wrong or missing some quest to kick off spawns. Would love some feedback/comms from Daum on this issue and whether they're looking into it.

  3. In order to have character as a concept or factor, other entities must be a part of the equation.
    One can define their own character but that is subjective to them, and relative to their experience with their own life.
    Everyone will see that character differently, as they are not that person.

    Incorrect, once again you're unable to separate character and opinion. An opinion of someone is subjective, based on what they've shown you and what you value based on your morals. Anyone defining their own character is simply defining their opinion of their character. Yes, everyone will see it differently since it's an opinion.

    To my knowledge, there is no definitive record of everyone "Defined Character" to rule and judge by.
    Thusly, the only record to go by is how one defines them self.
    Them self and how they define that, subjective.

    And this has a point? What does having some definitive record of everyone have to do with anything?

    "Them self", assuming you're talking about who they truly are, is not subjective. How they define/form their opinion of who they are is subjective. Remember: learn to separate true identity/character and opinion of that identity/character.

    This is invalidated by my statement before I quoted this section, as, again.
    Please guide me to the database that defines everyone's character.

    Again, why is this even a thing? I've repeatedly stated that character is internal, why would there be some need for a database?

    Still invalidated by my original statement.
    You're starting to seem like you're more -----y than me.
    And I don't like that.
    Especially since it's coming from a point of ignorance.

    Ignored, pointless and asinine.

    It's almost, and correct me if I'm wrong, you assume that people automatically know your character and that your character is global among everyone's knowledge.

    How did you come to this conclusion? I mean that seriously, considering I've stated the opposite a couple of times.


    You definitely need to re-read that part, slowly apparently.

    Either way, I'm done, I offered to have a chat, but you're either too dense to get the concept of internal character vs external opinions of that character or deliberately misconstruing my points in an effort to support yours.

  4. Uneducated vs. Educated conversation not even worthy of being defined as an argument as one side lacks grounds & warrant as support.

    That would be your opinion, of course... Maybe the concepts are too advanced for you and no amount of explanation would ever cross your threshold of comprehension.

  5. Okay.So character, is commented and bestowed,  noticed by other people.
    This makes your character subjective to me, as in order for me to even take it into consideration, I have to form an opinion in order to do so.

    People can attempt to define their own character, but same case applies.
    Your definition of your own character will be different than everyone else definition of your character because it's subjective.

    Honestly if you don't get it explained this way, I'm not sure what else to do bud. I can try explaining it a different way but you're not one the students I tutor/teach.
    Go look up what you're talking about, please.

    Ones character is not what you assume it to be lol.
    We don't know who anyone "Truly is", because change is always taking place.
    That's wayyyyyyyyyyyy far off topic, and can very metaphysical. I'm not here to argue/debate this. If you'd like to, we can do it over discord/ts/whatever in one of my debate/lecture nights and I'll upload it to youtube like I usually do.

    Who/what someone "truly is", is subjective, relative, to the entity looking at it in that moment.
    As looking at something, for (at least to my recollection) all humans, does not elaborate that persons entire life experiences/occurrences/etc.

    You talk as if you're some entity with an all seeing eye. And even then, it's still subjective to you. This is because, to my knowledge... You're the only one who can see everyone else "true character". Therefore, your knowledge of whosoever "true" character, is subjective to you, and relative to that moment.

    That's where I disagree. Someone's character is not bestowed by other people, that's just other people's opinion of someone, which is subjective. You've simply formed an opinion of someone's character, you didn't form their character.

    By the same token, people can form an opinion of their own character, but again, it's a subjective opinion of their character. Someone can be overconfident and have too high an opinion of their own character (Think they're incorruptible, etc), and vice versa, and yes, since it's an opinion, it can (And often will) differ from others' opinion of their character, and will sometimes even differ from their own character (When they're given power, they realise that they actually are very corruptible, as an example). It's why you get self-aware people and people in denial - their opinion of their character vs their actual character.

    You really need to learn to separate the concept of opinion and character since you seem to confuse the two constantly. Especially with your "Who/what someone "truly is", is subjective, relative, to the entity looking at it in that moment." line. That's an opinion of who someone is you're talking about (And yes, it's subjective, like all opinions). It's still not their character/who they truly are.

    I've never said that someone's character is what you assume it to be, I've always argued the opposite: That someone's character is their true self, who they truly are, opinions be damned. And it can change, yes, but it's always who they truly are (People change, etc).

    And I'm not some all-seeing entity, it's why I stressed the point that "It's irrelevant to the game, irrelevant to PvP, irrelevant to opinions or any external force or influence. If youinternally, get joy out of causing others misery, you are pathetic."

    I don't know if you experience joy, but that's irrelevant. If you sit there in your room and ONLY you know that you enjoy causing misery in others, it's in your character (Whether anyone knows about it or not), and that makes you pathetic (Generic 'you' obviously).

    And since griefing by definition is done with the sole purpose of causing misery in others for their own enjoyment, griefers are pathetic (Please remember that only THEY would know if they're griefing someone, since only they would know whether they're enjoying it, others' opinions about their character don't matter).

  6. Are you kidding?

    Are you kidding me man?

    lol you can't be this daft.
    So correct me if I'm wrong because shit what?



    Please feel free to correct me where I'm wrong if I am.
    If I'm not, please. Go read something educational.

    I don't even know what to do with my life if that's what you're saying LOL.
    Why am I sitting here going back and forth with you about something you clearly do not understand and are not educated OR informed in whatsoever.

    Get that shit cleared up man. Correct me if I'm wrong, Explain your educational construct regarding your... definitions LOL, else, your points mean nothing to me until you do.

    No, I'm saying your OPINION (Which is subjective, being an opinion and all that) of someone's CHARACTER (Who they truly are, CHARACTER NOT being subjective). And OPINION of someone's CHARACTER is SUBJECTIVE. Someone's CHARACTER is NOT subjective. You need to read more slowly.

    Your OPINION of the WEATHER, for instance, is SUBJECTIVE (You like it, you don't like it, too hot, too cold, ALL opinions, ALL subjective). However, what the weather IS (Sun is out, few clouds, 38 degrees Celsius with 90% humidity - roughly what we had yesterday) is NOT subjective. My wife's opinion of the weather: She loved it. Mine? Too %!#&ing hot! All opinions.

    That does not change what the weather ACTUALLY is, because what it actually IS is NOT subjective.

    The same way that your OPINION of someone is SUBJECTIVE. But who they TRULY are, what their character REALLY is (Whether you know it or realise it or not) is NOT subjective.

    Come one, you CANNOT be that thick.

  7. lol...........................................
    You may want to go back to school or something.

    You having an opinion of someone elses character is subjective to you, as it's your opinion.
    That person and their own self awareness of their own character is subjective to them.

    You're right or whatever, it's defined by your actions.
    Your actions that you know your reason for.

    Anyone else who sees and judges those actions, their judgement based on those actions are subjective to them.

    Player Killing, "Griefing", Etc, are Generally subsets of Player Vs. Player.

    Your own custom feelings towards the matter are great, but keep them to yourself.
    I like to keep things understandable, so I use terms as should be used and append my explanations onto the terms as so that it's more understandable.

    With how you people treat the word "PvP", there is no standard among the term, thus allowing for fallacy based argumentative warrant and grounds to be formed in favor of ones point, which at that point? Isn't even valid, due to the fallacy integrated into the warrant and grounds of the argument.

    Yes, an opinion of someone's character is subjective. An opinion (subjective) of someone's character (not subjective).

    And what someone thinks of themselves (opinion, self-awareness, self-esteem) is also subjective, of their own character (not subjective). Just like how some people can over/undervalue themselves. It's their opinion of their own character that's off the mark, not their character.

    I never said that judgement based on those actions was not subjective, in fact, I stated quite the opposite. If you re-read my post you might understand, though at this point I highly doubt it.

    What's not to understand? Or are you just not able to keep up? Maybe you don't know the definition of the word grief? You know other things beyond PvP have their own definitions right? I'm talking about griefing, put aside your asinine focus on PvP for one second and you might realise this.

    Yes, griefing is a subset of PvP by definition (I never argued that, or claimed otherwise), but the motivation for doing it is very different. When you gank/PK, there's a game-related reason (They're flagged, they tried to kill you, you're trying to take their spot, etc.), when you grief someone (Unprovoked, obviously), it's for a very different reason: Just to ruin their time for your own enjoyment. Motivation is everything.

    If you're the type of person who experiences enjoyment by making others miserable, you are a pathetic human being, simple as that. It's irrelevant to the game, irrelevant to PvP, irrelevant to opinions or any external force or influence. If you, internally, get joy out of causing others misery, you are pathetic.

  8. The problem with your statement is that those concepts are subjective, and relative to that moment in reality.As for the persons character, it's SUBJECTIVE TO YOU, THE PERSON DEFINING THEIR CHARACTER.

    It will be different person by person as we all have different opinions(if you can't tell).
    This case being, Witnessing someone playerkilling someone, you may quickly judge them as a griefer, but you don't know the situation between the killer and the victim.
    LSS, all that stuff you just said does not directly apply as warrant OR grounds in this argument.

    u dun goof cuz.

    Once again, nope. You keep confusing reputation with character. Someone who treats you well may create a good impression, that has nothing to do with their character. If they turn around and treat the waiter like a piece of $#!&, it reveals their character (That of being a terrible person). You may think they're a good person from your experience with them, but the truth is quite the opposite because someone's character isn't external, it's not subjective, it's the cold facts of who and what they truly are.

    Your character is defined by your actions, not by the subjective opinions of others. You can judge a person's character, good or bad, just or unjust, and that is subjective (Example, what you think of someone who is willing to kill to save someone is subjective, the fact that they would be willing to take such actions is not subjective, it's their character).

    And if you actually paid attention to what I said in my posts, I wouldn't consider witnessing some random PK as griefing, PvP happens in a PvP game, go to town.

    Ganking vs griefing is subjective and situational, yes, and as you mentioned you may have your reasons for targeting someone (They &^@#ed you off, they tried to camp you before you turned the tables with the help of some friends, they were trying to grief a friend of yours and you're force-feeding them some of their own medicine, etc.). None of that makes you a griefer.

    Running up to a lowbie or someone who doesn't stand a chance and continuing to kill them repeatedly simply because you enjoy making their lives miserable? Griefer, and true character revealed. It's the personal motivation for doing what you're doing (Ruining someone else's time for no reason other than your own enjoyment), and it's based on your character, nothing subjective about it.

  9. Lol.. This is my point.
    It doesn't have to be fair for it to be pvp.

    Where in the words Player or Versus do you see any regard to the construct of the concept of "Fair".

    Thanks. Have a nice night.

    I'll just repeat this for your benefit:

    “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

    “The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good, and how he treats people who can't fight back.” ~ Abigail Van Buren

    And thank you, have a good one!

  10. Er... Character and how others view and react to it is subjective to them.Thanks.

    3v1 in the open world againast another player(s) is Player vs Player.

    Maybe not what you want to happen, but it's player(s)(in this case) versus player.

    PS. Griefing is a form of Player vs Player, assuming what you're griefing is a player(which I suppose, it'd have to be eh? LOL).

    Not sure what you people are misunderstanding about the terms Player Versus Player. But y'all need to read some books.

    Nope, it's not, you're thinking of 'reputation'...

    So now you're using the oversimplified definition of PvP to defend your stance? I mean, really? Is that all you can come up with? 200v1 is fair because it's "PvP by definition"?

    Strong case you got there.

    Let's follow your example and look at griefing, which is done with the sole purpose of deriving pleasure from harassing/irritating/annoying other players. How's your whole "I doo eet fir mah own reezuns so you carent judge mee" argument holding up? Good?

  11. Ones character is subjective to the person judging them in the first place.
    All people can fight back. It's a choice. People simply have different methods of retaliation, but all can make the choice.
    To at least try ;)

    You do not know, for what reason I do what I do.
    You can only assume.
    You surely will not understand if you find the lifestyle unfathomable
    If you've not experienced it because of this, how can you define one such as a "Pathetic Human Being"?

    Not so much, no. Your character is judged based on what you do, your motivations for doing it are irrelevant. I don't need to know why you're doing it, you should have the maturity to recognise what effect your actions have on others.

    I'm not saying don't participate in OWPvP, it's going to happen, and absolutely needs to happen (It's awesome), but 3v1 isn't OWPvP, or are you saying that a person getting griefed 3v1 somehow stands a chance? And it's rarely as little as 3v1 anyway, it's usually raid-sized max-level groups griefing lowbies for entire evenings, only to run away if an equal or larger max-level group shows up to retaliate.

    Again, please do understand my distinction between grief/gank, it's very important. I know quite often groups will gank a player (One unprovoked kill) to try and bait a 'call-to-arms' and start a larger OWPvP battle, that doesn't qualify as griefing in my book. But repeated kills with no point other than to make another player miserable/rage-quit/ruin their time? That's griefing, and yes, only pathetic human beings participate in crap like that.

  12. “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

    “The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good, and how he treats people who can't fight back.” ~ Abigail Van Buren

    Griefers running in groups to slaughter players who never stand a chance, this applies to you. Don't complain when you're judged as a pathetic human being, you've already demonstrated yourself to be one.

    * Please note: I used 'griefer' deliberately. Personally I make a distinction, I see a gank as a random kill cause I wasn't paying attention (Would have been a fair fight if I had seen it coming, hence not griefing), I lol'd and kept going (More often than not the ganker ignores me the next time I see him/her, or it turns into a bunch of 1v1s).

  13. That's goes towards the people who DON'T take the minute to simply search things as well. So I have to use my time to answer someone's question when they could have done it themselves?

    If you're just going to complain about them asking the question, it applies to you. And no, you're not required to respond, nor to answer their question.

    I totally agree with you that it can be infuriating, I get it at work, and if someone comes to me with a question that makes it painfully obvious that they haven't even TRIED to find an answer for themselves, I tend to send them away (Diplomatically, it is work after all) with instructions to Google for 5 minutes before coming back to me. I totally get it.

    What I don't get it spending time telling someone how much they're wasting your time. They're not wasting your time, you're wasting your own time by responding. Just ignore it, exit the thread, let it vanish into page 2+, you've saved both time and your own sanity, a massive plus in my book.

  14. It can be interpreted that we are rude, but it's just that we're tired of hearing the same questions repeated over and over again. 

    Why don't these new people simply use the search function of the forums or google their simple question, but no. They have to post a question that's been answered hundreds of times. Other times we get pissy because people who are obviously new are suggesting things that are just flat out stupid sometimes.

    Why don't you simply NOT reply? Taking a minute to point out that someone is a moron takes exactly as much time as taking a minute to actually answer the question. If you're TRULY concerned about your time being wasted, roll your eyes and close the tab / leave the thread.

  15. I'm loving the classic progression so far in BDO. It's what I've been searching for all this time.
    In other news I think that second screen shot boss I posted was the loading boss for EU. 

    ps. That would tie in to the assumption the NA servers are down, as I had Eyeglass guy initially, then the security logo changed to that thing and I was seeing the EU server names. I was able to make a character and look at the channels, but then got dc'd and couldn't connect after.

    I'd say if you have stuff to do tomorrow, go for a sleep and do yourself favor.

    At the very least I can still wake up tomorrow and make a delicious breakfast while I laugh at my room mate who has to get ready for work (I booked today and friday off)

    With any luck someone else will beat the boss and it wont respawn for another day or so.

    Yeah, it's not too bad for me at least, in Australia so only 8pm now (Might check out The Division beta in the meantime though).

  16. Second boss is harder, since when it wipes you, you get sent back to the first boss...


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  17. You won't be competitive only putting in 10 hours a week in this game. Even with selling cosmetic items, you will get farther behind, unless you are going to be dumping 100+ (low balling here) into the game every month in an attempt to keep up and even then you'll just fall farther and farther behind those that also no life.

    How does me not liking the effects of selling cosmetic items contradict the fact that you'd still not be able to keep up? 10 hours a week will not get you far when it comes to levels at later parts of the game. Thus you will still be falling behind

    (The contradiction lies in, on one hand, claiming that selling cosmetic items will have a huge impact on the game, then claiming that selling cosmetic items won't help you keep up - i.e. have little to no effect, but that's beside the point, see below).

    I think we're arguing down the wrong lines here about a bad solution to the core problem: the massive difference between +15 and +20. If that gap wasn't AS large as it is now, it wouldn't matter as much that we're only able to get up to +16/+17 maaayyyyybe. Nolifers get to +20 and still have somewhat of an advantage, but not enough to crush anyone by smashing their faces onto their keyboards for a win, and the majority of the server (Say, ranges from 16-18? Thumb-sucked number) can have relatively balanced games?

    If they scale the gear properly, there's no reason to have the ability to auction cosmetic items for in-game cash either.

  18. Straight up allowing money to effect gameplay is a poor design in games and will be flat out abused. It has a horrid stigma around for triple A games and can ill the game before it gets very far in the west. That is why it shouldn't be done.

    There are better ways to allow people who don't want to spend money to have access to the costumes, than letting people basically be able to buy silver by selling costumes.

    How is allowing copious amounts of free time to affect gameplay any different? "Straight up allowing nolifers to affect gameplay is a poor design in games and will be flat out abused." makes just as much sense in this instance.

    If they allowed the sale of cosmetic items on the AH, and you get killed by a player with, say, +18 gear, would you be able to tell if they spent copious amounts of time or money to get the gear?


    Then this game may not be for you. Also, no you won't catch up, because if we get content as fast as KR is, there will always be more to go, meaning you just get farther and farther behind. Add in things like the gear gap, this game is simply not friendly to the occasional pick up and play, even with being able to buy progress.

    I tiny population can have huge effects on the games. There was a post about this somewhere on the forums with articles on the subject. Cap? you know there is no level gap, and the enchant cap will be increased at regular intervals.

    It looks like you misunderstood what I'm after, I just want to be able to be competitive, not elite, I don't mind losing to the cream of the crop, I just want the opportunity to hold my own against a large portion of the population. And yes, without the ability to sell cosmetic items I (And others like me, with limited time) WILL get farther and farther behind.

    You contradict yourself though, on one hand you bemoan the effects that selling cosmetic items will have, and the next moment you're saying that even WITH the ability to sell cosmetic items, you still won't be able to "keep up".

  19. Here is the problem. You have no lifers that will also do what you do, spend money to advance, so you will still not be able to keep up and instead the gap will just get wider and wider.

    I understand that worry, but I don't want to be "the best", I just want to be able to hold my own the majority of the time (Win or lose, just without the sense that it was an all-gear stomp). The gear being bought is created in-game by players, the nolifers who ALSO spend money may be ahead at the start, but nolifers and spenders will catch up, giving everyone the ability to even things out.

  20. Yes, obviously with caveats (Limit to how MUCH is bought/sold).

    I'll probably have about 10 hours to spend on BDO per week (Having a job, wife, etc.), but I also want the opportunity to compete ON EQUAL TERMS with nolifers, or at least just enjoy PvP in general without feeling like my lack of time guarantees that I'll lose every match-up.

    No-lifers can spend time to gain the gear, why can't people with jobs/life spend money to keep up (PLEASE NOTE: KEEP UP)?

    If you want to prevent people from "buying an advantage" (Keeping up), fine, then I propose we place a limit on the amount of hours you can play BDO, let's say, 14 hours per week, if you're so interested in an even playing field.