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  1. Atagi added a post in a topic Rise of the amount of chargebacks (p2w update)   

    Its ok belive it or not im not going to feed trolls. You should also inform paypal because they used the word "case" everywhere.

     
    FYI: "Thank you for contacting Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein, LLP"
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  2. Atagi added a post in a topic Rise of the amount of chargebacks (p2w update)   

    Yes I did but as I said it was national law for my country and not international. I do not work as a lawer because its a shady business. I stopped and got a more relaxed job and a different field because in some cases you will have to fight for a client even when you know he did bad stuff. You never had to read huge books with hundreds of pages and have to remember what they say, understand what they mean and how to use them.
    Anyway why should I should I bother? Believe what you like I don't care. I linked stuff so people can inform themself about it. Glad someone posted a result of his case. Should be easy to win now.. at least in the usa..
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  3. Atagi added a post in a topic Rise of the amount of chargebacks (p2w update)   

    Thats only partly correct. A few years ago in law school I learned about contracts and similar stuff. Although I learned about national law I think international law is similar. At least in the EU where I come from.
    You can't advertise a product with false or misleading claims. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising
     
    See what happened to others:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/false-advertising-scandals-2011-9?op=1&IR=T
    https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/misleading-claims-advertising/false-or-misleading-claims
     
    I know online games aren't taken serious. People are always "Oh its just a game" but for real its a product like everything else and the law also applies to it. I suppose the people read on the forum about this product before they bought it. They were in good faith when they bought this product: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith_(law)
     
    What makes you think so? Just because they said so? More than 3000 votes on the forum didn't like the last changes. Almost 5000 people signed the petition. Im pretty sure there are many hundred or even thousand people who are upset about Daum. So what is Daum going to do against a few thousand angry people? Fighting everyone in court? They will just lose even more money and get the biggest shit storm ever. They already got one going on the forum, twitch, youtube, a few gaming news and other media. Do you think this will help them?
    They sold more than a million copies of this game. In the worst case the angry people fight together and fill a class action lawsuit and Daum gets fined (a few millions). Im sure there are enough people who would start one. There are more hilarious cases where people have won so please stop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action
    Read more about it here:
    http://www.lieffcabraser.com/about-us/class-action-faq/
     
    People bought the game with money and not pearls. THey also spent money on it because they were in good faith. The staff made posts with false advertisement. So please...
     
    I agree. In all cases a shitstorm will make them suffer. The shares of their company will go down so fast. The more negative media they get the worse it gets for them. They can sue every single person but in the end they still lose because the media will tear them them apart. You already saw the media started to report about this. Have fun when the bigger media talks about Daum who tries to sue gamers. You could instantly close the company because players will avoid it for ever.
     
     
    Thank you I will use this as leading case for my case: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/leading+case
    This should be a big win for every angry customer.
    The biggest question is what wil PayPal do? Getting a hundred or even thousand chargeback requests of angry customers doesn't make Daum look like a serious company.
     
     
     
    Sorry I don't want to read all pages. I stopped at the second or third page. I wanted to spend more money on this game but now its over. Scam someone else. I won't support Pay to win. Good luck everyone.
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  4. Atagi added a topic in General   

    Rise of the amount of chargebacks (p2w update)
     
     
    It looks like some people didn't like the "last announcements". Daum noticed people want their money back because they are upset about the last p2w changes. After the promises by Daum the people expected this version to be different than the russian or korean version. Too bad the lies were only a bait. Now Daum is sending mails to scare people and make them cancel their chargebacks. It would be interested to see how many players reported this scam.
    My opinion is when you make false promises to bait people you shouldn't wonder why they are upset later.
    FYI:
     
     
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    Thats only partly correct. A few years ago in law school I learned about contracts and similar stuff. Although I learned about national law I think international law is similar. At least in the EU where I come from.
    You can't advertise a product with false or misleading claims. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising
     
    See what happened to others:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/false-advertising-scandals-2011-9?op=1&IR=T
    https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/misleading-claims-advertising/false-or-misleading-claims
     
    I know online games aren't taken serious. People are always "Oh its just a game" but for real its a product like everything else and the law also applies to it. I suppose the people read on the forum about this product before they bought it. They were in good faith when they bought this product: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith_(law)
     
    What makes you think so? Just because they said so? More than 3000 votes on the forum didn't like the last changes. Almost 5000 people signed the petition. Im pretty sure there are many hundred or even thousand people who are upset about Daum. So what is Daum going to do against a few thousand angry people? Fighting everyone in court? They will just lose even more money and get the biggest shit storm ever. They already got one going on the forum, twitch, youtube, a few gaming news and other media. Do you think this will help them?
    They sold more than a million copies of this game. In the worst case the angry people fight together and fill a class action lawsuit and Daum gets fined (a few millions). Im sure there are enough people who would start one. There are more hilarious cases where people have won so please stop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action
    Read more about it here:
    http://www.lieffcabraser.com/about-us/class-action-faq/
     
    People bought the game with money and not pearls. They also spent money on it because they were in good faith. The staff made posts with false advertisement. So please...
     
    I agree. In all cases a shitstorm will make them suffer. The shares of their company will go down so fast. The more negative media they get the worse it gets for them. They can sue every single person but in the end they still lose because the media will tear them them apart. You already saw the media started to report about this. Have fun when the bigger media talks about Daum who tries to sue gamers. You could instantly close the company because players will avoid it for ever.
     
     
    Thank you I will use this as leading case for my case: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/leading+case
    This should be a big win for every angry customer.
    The biggest question is what wil PayPal do? Getting a hundred or even thousand chargeback requests of angry customers doesn't make Daum look like a serious company.
     
     
    Sorry I don't want to read all pages. I stopped at the second or third page. I wanted to spend more money on this game but now its over. Scam someone else. I won't support Pay to win. Good luck everyone. If anyone gets sued make a post and start a class action lawsuit. Many angry customers will follow you.
     
     
    Edit: FYI Daum is violating law: https://www.facebook.com/Pearl.Abyss.Black.Desert/posts/10154031025693124
    FOR EU-PLAYERS:
    We as consumers in the E.U. are protected by several laws regarding falsified and misleading advertising. Under the directive of 84/450/EEC article 2.2
    For NA PLAYERS: (all credit goes to Reddit)
    Consumers in NA have a valid point in this case as well, as [Reddit-User] has pointed out the FTC in NA hold up a similar directive in their endorsement guides.
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  5. Atagi added a post in a topic Anti-P2W Crowd there’s the door use it   

    Don't cry when the game server shut down because everyone left!
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  6. Atagi added a post in a topic People crying P2W need to get a JOB!   

    Won't be a loss? Are you dumb?  Do you even know what mmorpg means? Pro tip: Massively Multiplayer Online Role-playing Game. If there are no players the rest will also leave and the game will shut down. You are not playing a singleplayer game.
    There are enough people who have money and don't want to spend it on a game! Not everyone lieks to get milked by the greedy daum
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  7. Atagi added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    The game is dead and they want to get the cash out of the players before it dies. This is a company not a place to have fun. The made us buy this game and promised there wont be subs. They didn't earn enough money from the expensive cash shop so they started 30 day premium subs. Still not enough and players started to leave this game. Now they go full force to the p2w scam and milk the players before this game dies.
    Thank god the players understand what they are doing and don't like it. The most players will leave because of this shit. You don't belive me? Check ArcheAge! I hope the wallet warriors have fun in an empty game without players. Be prepared to pay even more because many players will leave and they still want to earn money with this game.
     
    Where are you gullible people now? This game is pay to win. You pay cash to get unfair advantages. P2W!!! How will you whiteknights defend it now? I want to see your silly excuses! How do you call it now? Pay to get silver? Pay to get cash? Damn whiteknights do you even realize this game just pissed on its customers? A very good way to kill the playerbase. Do you know why they waited with those changes till now? No one would play this game if they did it at the begin!
     
    This game isn't even running for a year and the players are already leaving because they are pissing on us. Do you think they will make it to a year before they shut the servers down?
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  8. Atagi added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    Well if you sell a product which is different than the description you can report it and paypal gets your money back I did this and paypal set them a deadline. Lets see what happens when we reach it.
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  9. Atagi added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    Glad I already requested my money back with the update of 20. july. Scam someone else!
     
    I do not want to support or be a part of a pay to win game and only bought this game because it was stated there won't be pay to win. It was stated we won't get the same pay to win cash shop items than korea and russia have. Why did we have to buy this game if we get the same pay to win items? I bought this game because I was in good faith. On 20 july and today I noticed the promises were all lies. The Terms of Use may state the withdrawal rights lasts for 60 days but the law states something else about the situation. If you give false promises and bait people to buy this game and then completely ignore all made promises it will be against the law.

    "A lawsuit based upon the breach of the covenant may arise when one party to the contract attempts to claim the benefit of a technical excuse for breaching the contract, or when he or she uses specific contractual terms in isolation in order to refuse to perform his or her contractual obligations, despite the general circumstances and understandings between the parties."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith_(law)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_contract
     
    They promised no p2w. PM_Jouska there won't be a subscription:
    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/10135-will-there-be-a-premium-subscription/#comment-233188


    As you can see he wrote that message on 5 Feb. We bought this game and spent money on it because we were in good faith. With the update of 20 July and today the game changed completely because you introduced a subscription and p2w:
    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/103349-introducing-the-value-pack/


    As the most subscription this item will last 30 days and will give such an advantage to the users. It will put a big gap between people who pay for it every month and people who don't pay for it every month. You cna read more about it here:
    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/103733-guide-50milday-using-value-pack-and-p2w-mechanism/
    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/103618-market-math-on-the-new-value-pack/
    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/103690-an-objectivesubjective-analysis-of-value-packs/
    "Value Pack will become mandatory" "Players will be limited to selling five items from the Pearl Shop on the Market Place per week"
     
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  10. Atagi added a post in a topic Warfare: Trailer Event   

    I suggest to make future events when the ingame content is working and players are still playing this game. I had the problem that we didn't have any action. There was barely any nodewar. We had a nodewar at the last day vs less than 5 players. No action at all. No GvG. No open PvP. I can't show any pvp action if there is none. Not sure if it was only my guild but it feels like many players went inactive. We see many good submissions but I didn't see the advertised mass pvp with many hundred players. No 100vs100vs100 at all.
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  11. Atagi added a post in a topic Mathematical progression - Valk's Cry VS Value Pack   

    I know what you mean

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  12. Atagi added a post in a topic Value pack is optional and not p2w and for you all "we should sub like WoW"   

    Trion also offers an optional sub for the game archeage. You can play it for free but have many disadvantages. How can you still deny this beeing a subscription system? Just because they don't call it subscription doesn't mean its true. Here is an example:
    http://www.trionworlds.com/archeage/en/store/
     
    This is exactly the same! Every 30 days you pay for an item to get expanded benefits in-game. Where is the different to black desert? How can you still deny it?
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  13. Atagi added a post in a topic What Daum does when their customers are angry.   

    By putting in a system that give unfair advantages to subscribing people they give you option to spent money or have many disadvantages. This is not what they promises.They said this version won't be like the others and there won't be a subscription system
    As I said I don't have any numbers so I won't make any claims about that. All I can tell is that top guilds on my server are losing members and some guilds disappear. This is not caused by the lastest patch this was already going on before the latest patch.
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