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  1. What about economy? You guys have not mentioned anything about it (x changed or nothing changed, like for the others aspects of the game), and this makes me believe that you might not be aware of the problems that exists within the economy of black desert. Right now the economy of the game is dead on the ground because of the global auction houses, the price restrictions imposed on items and the inability to rob traders (killing a carriage will result only in bad karma - the items transported with the carriage are NOT lootable; unlike they were in the past and unlike the game was advertised as - i think that we all can remember the first trailer from PA with a trader running away from thieves in his carriage). The economy feels artificial and controlled, not player driven like PA proudly advertised their game, or better say, is still advertising.

    I see that you've mentioned player to player trading, which is really important for economy too, which means that you are aware of this problem?

    Maybe I'm reading too much into it and you guys just omitted it :D


    This isn't in the game anymore? :(:(:(

  2. the comparison is meant to be silly. and yes. I played tera before the game went free to play, back when it was buy+sub to play. and the prices for costumes never changed. they just added more costumes. Also, GW2 before it went free to play, about the same prices as well.

    as for the value of the 2500 pearls. I can only assume and compare the value based on numbers from other games. where 2200 EMP in tera costs $20 (that can get you a single costume *good* with some change left over, or 2 shitty ones) and just about every other MMO I've played with a cash shop where 2000 (roughly) is = $20. I doubt they will deviate from that. but I could be wrong as it's just a guess. :)

    I hope you're right on the cash shop thing :<. That's kinda disappointing about Tera and stuff...I always assumed it got pricey after it went F2P. 


    Edit: I also hope the pricing isn't like what I've been hearing it is in Korea...50 bucks for a costume? Really?

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    I got the conqueror's pack, and honestly, I don't give a shit. I've been following this game since Korean Announced Alpha, and I simply want to support the game makers because I want the game to prosper so I can enjoy it more.  besides, the conqueror's pack is $99, the game is $30 (maybe) you get $25 worth of cash shop currency, so that's $55 dollars right there, Plus the costume (it it'll be anything like Tera's thats $20. so $75 right there. and then you have everything in the Explorer's pack X2  minus the game, so that's another $40. $115 total, and you still get access to CB1. So tell me, are you getting ripped off?

    TLDR, Stop complaining lol. you wouldn't buy an AMD radeon 390X and then tell the seller that you deserve a Fury X for that price simply because you think so

    Tera is a F2P game (in its current iteration) expensive costumes should be expected. In a B2P game cosmetics should cost less. Do you have any evidence to back up the $25 in cash shop currency? As of right now that could be $2 or $200 for all we know. 

    I think most everyone would agree with you that they want to support the game (hence this debate over a $100 package lol). There isn't even a real "demand" from the OP. He is just stating that he thinks it would be a smart move that would also make him happy. Criticism/suggestions are not entitlement...it's just an opinion.

    Also you aren't even comparing apples to oranges with that last one. You are comparing something like a burrito to a grape.

  4. that's racist.I'm canadian my friend.
    nothing against '' this region ''
    just the people in it being cheap.
    you offer this but '' I WANT MORE FOR MY MONEY '' ever-contuining bullshit.
    I'm gonna go start the wait line for the iphone7
    I'm out ->

    Nothing I said was racist? I literally just said different regions have different priorities on what they want their money to go towards... cultural differences make market opinion different. 

  5. Other B2P programs? Or F2P, which is a big part of the difference. You have to remember to take that into consideration.

    True, I guess I have the most experience in B2P Founder's however, I would imagine those would be the one's that would limit my usage of cosmetics/items and they haven't. I would imagine F2P games would be the one's to limit usage of cosmetics/items. Warframe as a F2P reference, Tera (originally B2P), and SWTOR (originally B2P) are two that come to mind. Although in SWTOR I think a lot of the pre-order stuff eventually showed up, however, there were a few pieces that were exclusive and reusable...a pet and a couple other things.


    EDIT: Grammar is hard

    EDIT2: I originally thought that I had more interaction with F2P so my first sentence makes no snese

  6. notice this too. you don't like the conqueror's package deal ? just don't buy it.

    I do like the Conqueror's Package and have bought it because I want to support the game. That doesn't mean it is as good as many other founder's programs and couldn't use a little criticism. 

  7. sorry I'm not english native.thanks for the personal insults.
    they do give extra 2500 cash shop pts if you want more costumes tho.

    notice they added a huge deal of stuff '' NA-exclusive '' beards/hairs/skin colors.
    coded back the dark nights.JUST FOR US.
    but it is never enough for occidentals.
    you guys still want more.
    it's classic NA/EU comsumerism/capitalist.


    There were no personal insults. I was highlighting the fact that your comments have no basis on what is being said and are simply angry. It's obvious by your last sentence that you have a bias to this region and if anything is questioned it is immediately us being entitled. Simply put the NA/EU market is different from the RU/KR markets. Different things are important.

    We like shiny things here and are, in general, quite conscious of what we spend our money on. With that in mind we want as much value as we can possible have (most other Founder's packs have the suggested feature). If we wanted the company to fail we simply wouldn't purchase anything, not post on forums to see if an opinion is popular, not promote any form of change in the game, and would be playing a different game and not even considering this one.

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  8. You already get 1 costume. What people  are asking for is unlimited costumes "All my alts should have it too!"

    "All my alts should have access to a single, founder's costume as a nice nod to the people who took a plunge and funded a game before it was even released." People need to stop over generalizing everything that is being said. It makes you sound like a fool.

    This topic and most people aren't even demanding anything. They are saying "DAMN THIS WOULD BE NICE IF THIS HAPPENED."

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  9. that's not how I see itmore like 

    pick one : ketchup , mustard , pickles , butter or mayonnaise.

    but you want it all free.

    how are they gonna make money on the other skins 3D designers actualy took time to make .
    nobody is gonna pay later in the game for those skins as new ones comes out.
    new costumes arent included in the '' base price '' so shoulnd be given for free.
    I don't think you work for free , do you ?

    they're making BRAND NEW NA EXCLUSIVE skins for tamer witch and wizard. 
    you want them for free ? those cost money to make, and they're aint charging us if we pick them for our first toon.

    I think them giving 1 for free + 2500 credits for more is good enough.

    I don't think anyone said free...everyone said "for the 100 dollar Conqueror's Package..." You are literally not even reading comments and fabricating conclusions based on your obvious bias to this idea. 

    If we look at the facts we literally have no idea the actual value of the Conqueror's Package since we do not have any evidence of the cash shop. You are also muddling the discussion by comparing special, one-time event, costumes to an assumed "normal" costume pricing scheme.

    No one is working for free...the artists are being paid to create the content for the Conqueror's Package regardless of exclusivity (people who are supporting a game before it even releases a.k.a. guaranteed money). You can argue that the better the package is the more money they will make. As an observation and personal experience...people who buy upper-tier founder's packages tend to spend more overall money on a game, as they obvious have a great deal of passion for it.

    Dissenting opinions are fine (and encouraged) but the majority of comments regarding a negative reaction to the proposed idea are childish, poorly worded, and inflammatory. 

  10. if the discrepancies in power are as you state that seems like laziness more than anything O_o

  11. I think people have a misconception that asking for the costumes to be account bound (reusable by founders on their characters) means they want the devs to throw the game at them.

    The fact of the matter is saying that asking for a simple "switch" to be flipped is completely different from asking for new content. Rather this is asking that the content purchased, theoretically you have access to all the content in the package until you choose which character to use it on, be available for all of your characters permanently. Saying that asking for costumes to be usable on all release characters will lead to players asking for millions of pearls, teleportation, or other similarly ridiculous feature is false equivalence and quite childish.

    EDIT: Clarity/Grammar 

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  12. I guess my major problem is putting it on a character that a few months later I either hate, gets nerfed, or just switch mains. 

    For instance I want to play a sorceress. There's only a female one. I start playing her and I enjoy the class so I get the armor. Surprise they made a male sorceress that everyone is asking for. So then I would want to start over and now I'm going to have a wasted costume on a character I won't be playing all that much. Yes the costume won't work on the new class but I won't want to play it the old class now.   

    Same goes for Ranger, maybe a male ranger finally, same for tamer. Who knows.. 

    Now my options seem limited as to who I can  choose without getting upset. Put on a warrior since there's already the counter part, same for the Witch and Wizard. 

    This is my point of view and why I think getting them for all classes is better, still exclusive, and elevates future problems. 

    That is a very good point and I think sums up the majority of "for" opinions in the post. The current plan seems to facilitate "buyer's remorse" rather than make you happy you purchased the pack.

  13. Think of it this way. If they put a value on the costume they probably put it at around $10. The price of a regular single character costume. Pretend an account wide costume goes for $40, and you could see why they didn't give us unlimited copies of the outfit in the packages.

    That's speculation since they haven't announced their pricing. Additionally founder's packages in and of themselves are meant to be "special." Effectively we are getting large discounts on things, slightly neat one off features like name reservation, and single-use single-character costumes (not really that amazing when you break it down). I dunno it just makes more sense to allow the costumes to be available.

    On the other hand your point is valid. It just is kind of disappointing if that is their opinion on it.


    EDIT: I am going to buy it anyway just thinking it could definitely be improved in a lot of ways.

  14. NO for more class on start.

    What's the reasoning behind this? You don't want MORE content upon release?


    EDIT: The way development works people who would get the Blader ready for launch aren't squashing bugs or designing mechanics (generally different departments handle this).

  15. Let's think about it.You pay 99.99 eu wich for me is around 1000 swe kr.
    A days work so to speak, and you get sure a highlight name like patron or supporter or something like that for buying the pack but one outfits it's a bit small don't you think?

    I bought armored warfares biggest pack in CBT 3 *AW had CBT 5 until it got to OBT*
    I got as we get here "Patron" name and 3 exclusive tanks and a tank sticker plus gold etc etc.
    still 3 exclusive tanks for being there from the start is good, here one outfit.
    It's a bit smal in my eyes but don't get me wrong I'm really hyped for the game 

    I think the nice thing about this post is pretty much anyone with an opinion on it is hoping the game is successful ^.^.

    On a similar note the founders for Warframe got an exclusive playable character and exclusive weapons (actual playable things rather than cosmetics) if you got the higher tiers, which is pretty awesome. In my mind being able to redeem playable items once is fine; cosmetics, on the other hand, I feel should be reusable.

  16. That being said, I still feel the same way, but I can definitely understand what you mean. I guess in this situation you'll just have to come back to that main character with all of those things. 

    Hah. It's rare to find someone with a dissenting opinion that isn't combative about it! I think it's important to understand that there are people who appreciate exclusive exclusivity (not sure if there is a better way to describe this).

    In all honesty I knew there were people who didn't agree with me but I didn't think it would be for the reason you are stating (I think it is actually a pretty good counter-argument).

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  17. With it being a pre-order only option...and there not being a box version where a person could hunt it down and pick one up later, the cosmetics were already going to be exclusive. The population would continue to grow post launch, and the costume would fade in saturation from there. Even if it could be claimed multiple times, a year or so from now it would still be rare. To use my most recent game as an example, Tera has exclusive pre-order items that can be claimed by the account infinitely, meanwhile you almost never see anyone with said skins/mounts.

    I did the exact same thing! My buddy and I got back into the game (Tera) 2 years after release and were really excited to still have our Founder's gear available to us. Which is another point entirely...we left the game for 2 years came back to it and were really grateful that we still had our exclusive gear. Hell we even purchased a bunch of fun stuff because we were happy that a large purchase we made in the past was still relevant.


    People leave games (particularly multiplayer only games) all the time. When/if said people come back to the game giving them a nod to show they are still appreciated will make them want to stay again. It's one of those weird human psychological things.

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  18. I get why everyone feels the way they do, but I think ^ has the idea they have. Exclusivity for its own sake is reason enough. 

    I could understand this...but they are exclusive already; to the people who purchase the highest level of possible support in the game (at the moment). It seems silly to restrict these people from using something intended to show how they would support the game before it even released.

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  19. Oh yeah me too but its only what.

    5 days?

    I've never played the game before and i work 6 days week.

    Sunday is the only day I can actually tear into the game unless i sacrifice sleeping time just to play a video game.

    I'm sad.

    Anyway i think imma make a thread about this!

    Do it! I hope we can get them to at least look at this!

  20. I really wanted to play the blader, But you can't have everything haha. Make the best of it guys! warrior is not a bad class :o

    I guess...but it seems like a really easy thing to just "let" us reuse the cosmetics on our own toons. On a side note I want the blader D:.

  21. Exactly. DAUM gave us a *bs* excuse for the conq. packages. The truth is, many mmo games still offer accountbound founders costumes and DAUM may be the first company I know of that went the route of class bound for founders costume.

    Even BnS has a better package in my opinion. Then again NCsoft is considered one of the more established and fair publisher.

    Heck, this is the reason I'm still on the fence about purchasing a conq. or not.



    I completely agree with this. I will most likely purchase it any way, however, it feels like a slap in the face to not be able to at least have one copy of everything on each character. 

    I never understood this, and always hoped that it would change. It would be nice if it updated to include other classes as they were added, but it wouldn't kill me if they didn't. What does bother the hell out of me is that the costumes/weapons are single use. My play style is alt heavy and I would prefer the ability to claim the cosmetics on everyone.

    Given how mount/pet breeding works, I understand why we can't claim them more than once, but it shouldn't be that way for a founder's costume. I can't wrap my head around this one..it makes no sense. It's not even like it's in the shop and they want you to buy the other versions as they already said they wouldn't put it up. Perhaps they were afraid of people claiming them more than once and selling them? If so, just make the preorder costumes account bound and unable to be sold to vendors....like every other game that offers preorder cosmetics.

    This is how I feel completely. The single-use bit also will make it to where you will probably never (rarely) see any founder's stuff in game after 6 months or so.


    EDIT: Making the costumes single-use will reduce their overall saturation even more so than having them be Conqueror exclusive.