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  1. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    Right....
    Because if i plan on buying a mmo and it states in the description that they are selling ingame gold as well and u can boost your character to max bis whit just your credit card , i will TOTALLY BUY THAT GAME...yup , makes total sense what u just said...
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  2. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    Haha *If we decide*
    There was 0 reason for them implementing this ... they made so much money that they could survive whit no income for another 2-3 years ... this was just greed and it doesn't change the fact that most people bought into the game whit 0 knowledge of this *If we decide* based on interviews where they stated , very firmly , that they are 100% against p2w and they will never add them to the game.
    One more thing to add , someone calculated how much money they made whit this new *feature* in just 2hours yesterday whit costumes being soled at 18-20mil a pop / around 10k$ ... now imagine when the prices will be close to 80-100mil:))
    Also , where does it say on the buy page that this feature might be implemented *if we decide* 
    It's a pretty big feature to leave out if u ask me when making a decision to invest into a game ...
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  3. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    Why , because i pointed out solid valid arguments and u just called me a liar ?
    Right back at yah kid ...
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  4. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    There are people in my country who sell their dignity and voting rights by attending protests to turn them into a joke and only for a cost of a pizza and a cola (real story)
    U are no different from them...
     
     
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  5. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    https://youtu.be/eygmsq-gddA
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  6. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   



     
    Some people just don't seem to get it or are straight up playing stupid...
    The problem here lies in the fact that the company did not make this announcement WHEN THEY LAUNCHED THE GAME! that's false advertisement!
    HOW MANY OF U WOULD OF BOUGHT THE GAME IF THEY WOULD OF SAID THEY WOULD SELL GOLD DIRECTLY AFTER A FEW PATCHES ...
    HOW MANY OF U WOULD OF SPENT MONEY ON THE PEARL SHOP IF U KNEW U COULD GET THAT SHIT WHIT GOLD AFTER A FEW MONTHS... 
    They did this shit on purpose and that's malicious and evil in my eyes ( please don't come whit the same shitty argument *oh that's just how the world works* i know how the effin world works , i play mmo's to relax and get away from the real world .. not to deal whit more of it's shit...
     
    There are THOUSANDS of people who wouldn't of spent 1 cent in the pearl shop if they knew the game will become p2w and they could get that for ingame gold... fact....
     
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  7. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

     
    Some people just don't seem to get it or are straight up playing stupid...
    The problem here lies in the fact that the company did not make this announcement WHEN THEY LAUNCHED THE GAME! that's false advertisement!
    HOW MANY OF U WOULD OF BOUGHT THE GAME IF THEY WOULD OF SAID THEY WOULD SELL GOLD DIRECTLY AFTER A FEW PATCHES ...
    HOW MANY OF U WOULD OF SPENT MONEY ON THE PEARL SHOP IF U KNEW U COULD GET THAT SHIT WHIT GOLD AFTER A FEW MONTHS... 
    They did this shit on purpose and that's malicious and evil in my eyes ( please don't come whit the same shitty argument *oh that's just how the world works* i know how the effin world works , i play mmo's to relax and get away from the real world .. not to deal whit more of it's shit...
     
    There are THOUSANDS of people who wouldn't of spent 1 cent in the pearl shop if they knew the game will become p2w and they could get that for ingame gold... fact....

    I am starting to think that they are paying people to come and ruin this legitimate claim or people just lost their sense of morals...
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  8. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

     
    "BDO is classified as an ongoing service (take note of this... it's important for later).
    PM Joshkua stated on their forums that there wouldn't be any P2W elements (an authorized representative of our version of BDO). Add-on's (pets, Costmetics etc) are purchasable for the product, BDO and are considered an investment/enhancement to the product. They're now introducing P2W elements.
    Any written/verbal statement by an authorized representative of the product on their official communication mediums (posts, twitter, twitch live feeds etc) is legally binding in the EU and most states of the US. In the EU any ambiguity in statements etc are to go in the favour of the client/end user.
    By introducing P2W and defying the statement from PM Joskhua Daum/Kaka have committed contractual fraud and false advertising. Therefor... All payments made related to the product are refundable via chargeback or Section 75 and depending on your card provider (Visa, MasterCard etc) can be reclaimed from 570days prior to the claim. Remember the important bit... on-going contract... Generally claims are possible for a timespan of 120 days. However there are a few exceptions including subscriptions, ongoing contracts and development investment/staged payments.... these carry a timeframe of up to 570 days with Visa."
    Also note that if Kaka is still operating out of the EU then the EU regulations and protections apply to all clients and not just those residing within the EU.
     
    Also daum is now sending out threatening e-mails to people confirmed via reddit
    Greetings,
    Due to recent events regarding our last announcement, we started to see a rise of the amount of chargebacks requested by our players. We feel that any situation involving money requires as much information as possible, and would like to make sure you are aware of what a chargeback is, and what consequences come with it.
    First of all, what is a chargeback? A chargeback is requesting a refund from your bank or payment provider, bypassing the company that sold/provided the product. Bear in mind, the selling company will have a chance to investigate and dispute the chargeback.
    Chargebacks are broken into two fundamentally different categories: Legitimate and Illegitimate.
    Legitimate chargebacks are when you contest a payment because you have not received the goods or services you purchased, or because someone stole your credit card.
    An illegitimate chargeback would be requesting your money back, after using a service for several months and deciding you don’t like it anymore.
    In either case, it is understandable why someone would wish to get their money back, however, chargebacks should always be done with caution. A chargeback will not only cause you to lose access to the game, but it can also prevent you from purchasing it in the future. More importantly, we will investigate each chargeback, individually. If the chargeback is proven to be illegitimate, this could go farther than just the denial of your refund. Your Credit Score could be impacted. (“Creditworthiness” attached to each person, this is usually something mortgage companies and financial institutions will look into, before approving credit or offering services).
    To conclude, requesting chargebacks should be done after cautious investigation from your part to know all of the possible consequences. Where a finalized chargeback would lead to the withdrawing of your game access, a cancelled chargeback will have no lasting effect on your account.
    To allow you time to consider your decision, and fully assess the impact these changes will have on your enjoyment of Black Desert Online, we will not take action on your account until the 22nd August, after which time, any account with outstanding chargebacks will be closed.
    Kind Regards,
    GM Maelstrom
    French/English Game Master
     
     
     
    Copy it because it's going to get deleted soon
     
     
    https://youtu.be/eygmsq-gddA
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  9. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    I can already see how things will unfold and i am pretty confident about this statement...
    They will start milking people whit allot of cash first , selling costumes for only 20mil , then slowly going up in price when they notice that sales aren't as good as they want them to be.
    After a while , they will introduce more and more p2w stuff into the game up to the point where they will have to convert to f2p due to people leaving the game and after that .. well... game over.
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  10. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

     
     
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  11. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    Yes brother BUT that definition is not based in a gaming environment because this environment should be , by definition ..FUN! 
    this is not normal and not all gaming company's resort to going so low .. i mean u see this , i know u do ... 
    Don't u find it a bit unsettling that after days and days of *protest* by these *kids* and the whole internet , not one ----- was given back ?
    And this is not just about this game .. it's about mmo's in general .. i know time is valuable to everyone but i honestly don't want to see future mmo's where u can BAM boost to endgame whit all bis gear whit no effort at all , other then entering your cc details..
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  12. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

  13. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    U seem like a well educated person so i will assume that u have invested a few k at least into the game , hence your desire to refuse the fact that they are just milking everyone they can at this point and that the game will dissolve in 1-2 months..
    I am not crusading against no one , i am just against company's who so openly try and penetrate every wallet they can get their greedy little hands on.
    Why haven't they give out 1 reply to the vast majority of people who has voiced their concern against this ?
    And if u think for a second that low totem-pole representative didn't know what he was doing , well .. think im just going to point the man-child remark right back at yah , sir...
    And u bet your ass it's about consumer rights , like i said before .. do a effin pool * who here would of bought the game if they said in the beginning that they would sell gold after a few months * 
    Don't try and hold their hands because they are already pretty f'ed and so is the game ..
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  14. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    I won't even try and understand your logic when lying about something does not seem to bother u at all..
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  15. KarmaLoop added a post in a topic Patch Notes - August 10th   

    IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT WAS 500m.........
    U sir are missing the whole point or are just to committed financially into the game that u just refuse to see it...
    Make a thread on the forum and ask the community * HOW MANY OF U WOULD OF STILL BOUGHT THE GAME IF THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE SELLING GOLD AFTER SOME TIME * 
    This is about consumer rights sir...
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