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  1. Bengel added a post in a topic How the hardcore players & anyone who really care about the future of this game really feel.   

    I dont get why it should be repeated this much. Daum/Kakao as a publisher has on several occasions expressed an anti P2W attitude. Thats it, if you dont get it stop asking

    The game is also buy to play in our region. They potentially squeese even more money out of our version if people acutally pays for this shit. You pay for the game, and then you pay shit tons of cash to stay competetive. Why do you accept that?
     
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  2. Bengel added a post in a topic How the hardcore players & anyone who really care about the future of this game really feel.   

    People still buy the overpriced stuff on the marketplace, they just work for it  

     
    I am most certainly not super happy about the speed, and ammount you have to grind to become competetive. I actually didnt want the +16-+20 to be released in our version, because we were getting to a point where +15 was very well balanced. It was a gear cap anyone could get to.

    But there is absolutely no reason what so ever to resort to pay2win to fix what you view as broken game design, or game design that doesnt suit you.

    Here you call us "whiners" for complaining about betrayal, but here you are whining because you couldnt work to get gear progression.
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  3. Bengel added a post in a topic How the hardcore players & anyone who really care about the future of this game really feel.   

    The silver gain is still just speculation. But consider how fast we got to pay2win. And dont try to argue the ammount of pay2win. We are allready there, now where does this take us? How long untill they increase the ammount that can be obtained? 

    It is apparent that the game is being continuously engineered to create a stronger incentive for people to throw their money at the game. When it barely had an impact on game balance, sure its ok. But when it directly affects game balance and the core gameplay thats when it crosses the line. Stop being so short sighted and start smelling the fire before you get burnt.
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  4. Bengel added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    All you people that try to find reasons to invalidate showing everyone how shifty Daum/Kakao/Pearl Abyss has been from start to finish can stop doing that aswell.

    1 Week they are against it. And suddenly their not. The game is of such high quality that you can ask for money upfront. Their sales are way beyond what was anticipated. And after several interviews the player base build trust with the Kakao publisher, and BAAM. this shit.

    Posting videos of Daum/Kakao vocally expressing their stance on P2W is not a bad thing. It just shows that they have absolutely no integrity what so ever.

    If you are tired of the video being shared on the forums, or people expressing their resentment to this bait and switch, why dont you put your head in the sand and keep on playing. Why would anyone speaking out bother you?
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  5. Bengel added a post in a topic [Maintenance] Maintenance August 10th   

    I guess most of us were surprised after the seemingly good responses we have had from Daum/Kakao, in every question that has been asked about P2W and their stance on it. Everyone could get behind that. But they burned us  
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  6. Bengel added a post in a topic [Maintenance] Maintenance August 10th   

    Its sad though, its like having nazis take over your country, and having to move. Just accept the nazis and stay, or move on. I hope you'll someday understand that people will continue to show their resentment to being treated unfairly.

    You will also have to accept that the community has been split in half because of what the developers/publishers have done, and not because of the community itself.
    BDO has catered to the hardcore and passionate, and now it doesnt (or we will have to wait and see tomorrow). That is the only thing that has split the community. You can blame Daum/Kakao, but just deal with the feedback and resentment people show. This is horrible no matter what you say.

    If anyone could fix the problem you are facing, with people being mad and "whining" its a damn response from the PMs, CMs, or anyone at all.

    The announcement was thursday last week. The only response we have gotten since then, was another announcement that the maintenance is going to happen as usual. Maybe the P2W will be in the patch, maybe it wont, who knows? This is what wind people up. 
    And frankly, just accepting these kinds of greedy marketing strategies that turn art into money milking machines should not be accepted.

    This is why we cant have nice things.
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  7. Bengel added a post in a topic EU Territory and Node War Chronicles   

    I only drink kakao when its cold or if im sick
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  8. Bengel added a post in a topic EU Territory and Node War Chronicles   

    Team Cow Get milked proxy
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  9. Bengel added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    I have thought about it, and since I love BDO that much I would like to stay and find out, but I get this disgusted feeling in my stomach when trying to play. What I would normally do might be invalidated tomorow, and it might get worse and worse. Not paying them, while being logged on or logged off doesnt really matter. Keep playing if you want to, but I urge you and everyone else to not spend a single dime untill Kakao speaks up and sets things straight.
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  10. Bengel added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    Games are art. They allways have been, and allways will be.

    Black Desert Online is a piece of art that people have worked hard to get to a certain level of quality.

    One of the first interviews there was with Daum(Kakao Games) about the buy to play payment model they were using for our version also aknowleges the fact that the game is of such high quality that Duam feel its OK to ask for money up front, which over 1 million consumers agreed to.

    The progression system in Black Desert Online is very simple. You can get the best in slot gear from the start, at level 1 if you have the cash to spend on the market place, but you can also get this from low percentage drops from bosses, or even lower percentage drops from mobs.

    A normal day in BDO sums up to:
    1: Grinding for XP to level your character, since the coming awakening weapons have skills that are restricted to higher levels.
    2: Grinding money to progress your gear, either by trying to save up enough for BIS (Best in slot) or to buy upgrade materials to upgrade what you allready have or will obtain.
    3: Grinding mobs with BIS or good loot drops either to sell on the market place, or to upgrade ( accecories has a chance to be destroyed when upgraded, so this is a very repetetive grind).

    Upgrading gear in black desert is done by consuming upgrade materials and by chance getting another +1 level on your gear or to lose the appropriate durability on the gear from failing to enchant.

    The combat system in Black Desert makes grinding for gear progression fun and engaging, and with the occasional world PVP encounter, the experience is not comparable with any other MMO out there. It is in many ways slow, and sometimes when working hard for gear progression it can seem that its not going foreward at all because of the RNG, but that only makes it so more satisfying to get that piece upgraded.

    For me and my wife, Black Desert had become something we had never experienced in anoher game, my wife would enjoy the life skills, breeding and training horses, trading and doing alchemy, she helped me when I was at work, and was proud to do so. And I would enjoy the combat side of it, and the PVP.

    We joined a big guild, and stuck with and did all we could to become better. We participated in every single node war, 2-3 times a week, and every siege war we could.

    Black Desert had become the best game we had ever played.

    The sad thing about our version of Black Desert though is lack of direct communication. I have personally watched and listened to every interview with Daum/Kakao and have been appeased by every single interview, it feels like they share the view of me and my "hated crybaby" part of the BDO community. I fail to understand where Kakao stand, with Pearl Abyss or with us crybabies.

    1: Gillie suit was an unfair advantage for everyone that didnt want to spend more than the buy2play fee
    2: Costumes with XP, Jump Height, Durability Loss reduction, Chance to not lose XP or Gems on death, and so on was an unfair advantage for everyone that didnt want to spend more than the buy 2 play fee.
    3: Value Pack (XP boos + 30% more value in the marketplace) is an unfair advantage for everyone that doesnt want to spend more money than the buy2play fee.

    These things were discussed on several occasions, and most of the community just accepted it, Kakao and Pearl Abyss needs more money to keep this game alive, its the best game we have played, so surely we can accept this? and we did, I gave my feedback on the 30% value on marketplace with the valuepack, but thats all we can do right?

    Then on the 4th of August they announce that you can start selling costumes, valuepacks and cash shop items on the marketplace for ingame silver.

    Direct Pay 2 Win. The term is used properly, its slang or a word used in this situation, but it sure is fitting.

    A Normal day in BDO changes if this change goes through. And it will create a new foced economy.

    BIS is obselete to farm or grind. Use the maximum ammount of characters and dump energy into the night vendor with the maximum ammount of silver you can get from the cash shop each week and you can have the same gear some of the most passionate BDO players have worked very hard for.

    Every single person out there laughing about that or thinkings thats fine should rethink their stance on that.

    Its not OK to make a system that makes gear progression cater to the most hardcore and passionate players and then completely changing it into catering to those who waste their real life money on it.

    Games "SHOULD" continue to be art. BDO deserves to be treated as art. All the artists and game designers that have worked on BDO deserve praise. Pearl Abyss is not only ruining the game for the initial consumer/playerbase, but also corrupts a piece of art made by a collaboration of hard working individuals with a vision and passion for making games.

    Black Desert will probably get this update tomorrow that will change the game from a time consuming hardcore world PVP and engaging experience, into a dull money sink. It will remove the best and most invested playerbase from the game, and only the cynical will remain, and if youre not cynical, you'll get there. Because this money milking machine does not care.

    I can honestly say that I have no problem with companies having different strategies to make money, but Daum/Kakao and Peal Abyss has absolutely no faith in YOU the consumer. I would have kept using money (without being forced) on the cash shop, for costumes, dyes, maybe even the value pack, and i could have continuted to do so for years to come. But P2W forces those who want to stay competetive to cash out or leave, so I will leave. I dont accept it. Neither should any of you.

    And for those of you that say you have a job, so you can deal with this update. Most people have a job, youre not special, there is just no possible reason why it would fun to pay for an advantage. Then you could be better off just not playing, or staying here on the forum trolling, it would probably give you faster payoff for your wierd pleasures.

    Longest forum post ever, but I have read the forums for days, and I simply cannot believe why the community is split on this issue.


     
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  11. Bengel added a post in a topic Collective attempt at preventing p2w in BDO   

    Bump.
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  12. Bengel added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    Extremely well written. All of this is true, and the problem right now, is that the community has divided into oppositions. There shouldnt be. Even if you decide to keep playing the game you shouldnt be happy about being a spunge, you can deal with it, but you shouldnt be happy about it. Those who dont accept it fight against corrupting games from art and quality into milking machines that take advantage out of psycological exploits.

    I hope that a big company buys Black Desert Online and re release it as it should be. Remove all the P2W antics (Quoting Daum on their own betrayal )
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  13. Bengel added a post in a topic Basic Economics of an online business model   

    Its not hard to understand at all, there are plenty of ways to make money of games, no other options have been introduced. Its just a step closer and closer to p2w, and then we have full p2w. You can monetize the crap out of your game and return money to your investors without losing credibility and the "tiny vocal minority" by going p2w.

    Also, ----- your condesending post, and frankly ----- you. Im out. Last post  
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  14. Bengel added a post in a topic Basic Economics of an online business model   

    FIFA, one of the most corrupt organization in the world, should not be used as an example for how to monetize for market you want to connect with your consumers.
    I needed that   Im out if this gets implemented.
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  15. Bengel added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    Irrelevant. That whole sentence from Daum/Kakao Games/Pearl Abyss is an excuse, not the real intention of this change. They want more money.
    If it was convenience for players or they wanted to make the game available to a larger playerbase, they could do that in any other way possible, THEY MADE THE GAME.

    This is to make money, nothing but.
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  16. Bengel added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    Yes. Its an excuse.
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  17. Bengel added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    This polished announcement kind of clarifies that there doesnt seem to be any intentions of changing or adhearing to any of the concerns or opinions that the community would have on P2W being added to BDO.

    The change of "After detailed discussions with the Developers at Pearl Abyss, it has been decided that the Value Package, Outfits, Costumes and Pets will be made available via the Market Place." -> "Value Pack as well as other Pearl Shop Items will be made available via the Market Place over the next series of updates." seems shifty. Why change the statement from EVERYTHING -> Value pack as well as other items?

    Are you and Pearl Abyss listening to the consumers and tring to control the situation by writing diffuse updates?

    And can Kakao Games please refer to where you get the information that the players of every other region prefer P2W? Cause IF SO! this game is lost, cause there will be nothing the player base of EU/NA can say, cause Kakao and Pearl Abyss clearly only care about the numbers (when they are in your favor, cause we had a poll here and that was blatently ignored).
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  18. Bengel added a post in a topic [Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items   

    I hope someone at Kakao Games answer this. Aswell as tons of other similar questions
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  19. Bengel added a post in a topic EU Territory and Node War Chronicles   

    A very good post Thanks the same man <3
    Want to keep people from saying the only thing they feel and think about now? Just wait untill Wednesday next week man, the P2W talk will stop
    Everyone of us that cares will stop playing and posting, and you can enjoy you milkfest
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  20. Bengel added a post in a topic Basic Economics of an online business model   


    Note:
    Cash Shop items will not be possible to sell on the marketplace at launch phaseIf we decide to enable selling Cash Shop Items at a later stage, there will be control mechanisms that will prevent players from heavily profiting and gaining an advantage by repetitively selling Cash Items on the marketplace100 Mileage will be distributed via daily loginMiles are family bound; items are character bound^ This actually means that what they are doing now was to be expected (I dont remember reading this when beta testing and playing the game every day since launch. Well ----- me.. -.- )

    I have read Q&A's after this where they say differently, but the statement above here from your link discloses their stance on it. It should have been expected then, not accepted but expected 

     
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  21. Bengel added a post in a topic Basic Economics of an online business model   

    Talk about a waste of time. Can you link where you read it was disclosed before launch that it might happen?
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  22. Bengel added a post in a topic Basic Economics of an online business model   

    More like, heres the door gtfo
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  23. Bengel added a post in a topic Basic Economics of an online business model   

    Nono. It has been brought up again and again, and because of the "so called vocal player base" it has been "disclosed" that it wont come here. Several posts from PM_Jouska has had interviews with Pearl Abyss where they say they WONT bring this ammount of P2W into the NA/EU version of the game.

    Saying they disclosed it before launch is utter bullshit
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  24. Bengel added a post in a topic Basic Economics of an online business model   

    Then why the ----- lie about it? If it was going to be a korean p2w game here, why not just say so? To get people hooked on an "mmo addiction" and then bleed their wallets dry afterwards?
    Link one, I am obviously not as educated as you are. And please dont link Playfish, Zynga, King or similar developers. Completely different market, and stop trying to merge the markets and saying its ok -.-
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  25. Bengel added a post in a topic Basic Economics of an online business model   

    Where do you get your numbers to go to such an extent to call it a fraction of a percentage? what are you even refereing to? who has P2W in this way that totally obliterates any hopes of not having P2W and shitty business->consumer relations?
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