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  1. Cappuccino added a post in a topic DEVS: PLEASE Remove 1 of the 2 Bottlenecks so more players have access to horses   

    Don't be a judgemental ass. Very few breeders sold their t8s for pearls. And it is looked down by a good many breeders. I didn't sell a SINGLE t8 for pearls. I sold them to other breeders/friends/guildies for just the silver it cost them.
    Also I said "some combination involving a t7 or a t8", so to help you with your future breeding attempts that would be:
    t6+t7, t6+t8, t7+t7, t7+t8, or t8+t8
    Now finish your school work.
     
    Well, here's the thing people don't understand unless they breed. The rng to get a t8 even with a t8+t8 combination is terrible. The chances of ACTUALLY getting a t8 from a t6+t6 would be even harder I imagine. I don't think it would break anything. I think it would help more people.
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  2. Cappuccino added a post in a topic DEVS: PLEASE Remove 1 of the 2 Bottlenecks so more players have access to horses   

    I think horses will sell for quite a while on our server because so many people also want fast horses for alts, and there is a significant shortage to start with. Not only that, I know of several non-breeders that want to collect one of each skin and also have 3 coursers ready on top of it in order to attempt t9s.
    I don't anticipate t8s just sitting on the market any time soon.
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  3. Cappuccino added a post in a topic DR > Evasion for sieges after latest patch? Tested hybrid DR build myself   

    I haven't lost any evasion by using DR gems in my chest armor
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  4. Cappuccino added a topic in General   

    DEVS: PLEASE Remove 1 of the 2 Bottlenecks so more players have access to horses
    This post is by a breeder not a general player whining about not having horses. BUT even I know there is something wrong with the horse system when I see players in large successful guilds still riding around on t6s.
    The problem is that unlike KR or RUSSIA, NA/EU has TWO BOTTLENECKS to breeding. In order for horses to be more accessible for everyone, one of these two roadblocks has to be removed. It is quite frankly ridiculous that both exist in our version at the same time.
    1) The serverwide announcement and then delay on t8s probably sounded great to non-breeders, but the fact is, when that happened, most people stopped selling their t8s at all. They are too hard to get right now through breeding. (Seen a couple potatoes gets posted, and one courser that was probably an attempt at a coordinated buy.)
    2) The devs CANNOT also continue to keep our region breeding rate significantly below Korea and then put up additional barriers to selling horses. PA's own data will show that sales have dropped off significantly, and I imagine it will also show a decrease in breeder activity.
    I think this is a huge disservice to the player base at large. For those of you that don't know, an increase in breeding rate means a t6+t6 has a chance to produce a t8, but right now only a combination involving a t7 or t8 has a chance.
    And if you have tried breeding at all, you know that you will receive a t6 back consistently no matter WHAT you are breeding at those levels. If you are not a breeder, and you are frustrated with the lack of horses on the horse market (or your own results from attempted breeding), please voice your concerns.
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  5. Cappuccino added a post in a topic New Boss set event?   

    Keep rolling NV. I got Giath there for 78mil and Muskans for 79mil which is cheaper than you can get it off mp. However, I also have gotten both of those out of boss bundles doing the daily/weekly awakened scrolls, so be sure you are doing those as well. The mp is horrible.
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  6. Cappuccino added a post in a topic DR > Evasion for sieges after latest patch? Tested hybrid DR build myself   

    Tamer- I use 2 evasion gems in my helmet (full tri boss gear + tri kutum) + 2 DR gems in my chest and they make a huge difference. Instead of focusing JUST on evasion, I found that using evasion + DR keeps me alive a lot longer for just the reasons you outlined- some classes have 100% accuracy on skills.
    290 base dp isn't that high compared to those with dp builds or even full TET, but I survived quite a few fights and got kills in recent fights with other strong guilds this week. Seems to be working quite well.
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  7. Cappuccino added a post in a topic Striker - New class   


    Believe it!
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  8. Cappuccino added a post in a topic So I finally got a mini-elephant, and there's a wasted skill to learn?   

    I wondered that, too, Ralphy. Gratz on the elephant so far- I just got my second all the way to 14 and it didn't learn a single skill. He was so bad I just vendored him.
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  9. Cappuccino added a post in a topic Year 2 Mega Horse Breeding Thread   

    Yeah, you can.. by level 15 with about 95% accuracy
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  10. Cappuccino added a post in a topic Year 2 Mega Horse Breeding Thread   

    Right, what I mean is that say for a t8 horse as an example, there may be 15 possible variations of a skill hierarchy or skill template (like how many total skills it is likely to learn and when), and when it is born one of those templates is randomly rolled. Each tier of horse seems to have its own skill templates. Then while you level the horse you can mildly influence the outcomes with pearl items
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  11. Cappuccino added a post in a topic Year 2 Mega Horse Breeding Thread   

    Everything you said in your post is so true, and I personally love the theories that get presented. Every time a new theory gets posted, I review patterns I have seen to look for a fit.
    But your post especially resonates when it comes to ninja code edits. We don't know how often the odds and percentages change without us knowing. (I have heard plenty of tinfoil related to how they change enhancement and drop rates every few patches. Who knows..) And that does make it challenging to confirm what we see happening in the moment.
    I don't wagon level horses very often, and it happened twice, and then about 5 times on horses leveled solo one right after the other. And it has also happened to other breeders, surprisingly frequently over the course of the last year especially if it was random. Which is why, after believing for a long time that horses rolled skills randomly, I had to change my opinion based on the evidence. 
    Now I concede that even though I believe horses roll a preset hierarchy at the time they are born, there may be randomness applied on which equivalent skill is chosen when a threshold is reached. Even that is a bit of a stretch, just because the statistical odds are still so tiny we would see identical horses multiple times, but I could see it happening if one skill was weighted more than another at a given threshold.
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  12. Cappuccino added a post in a topic Year 2 Mega Horse Breeding Thread   

    Conqueror's pack player and horse breeder from day 1.... Leveled from pro3 to art2 without ever catching a horse back in the day (now art5). Followed all breeder's posted stats as well as my own related to skills. Stats show that coupons do not raise the total number of skills learned, but improve the skills the horse knows, which is exactly what I said in my post.
    I am basically as veteran as they come.
    And as for the clothes, they may not help. All I was quoting is what the clothes themselves say.
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  13. Cappuccino added a post in a topic Year 2 Mega Horse Breeding Thread   

    Well, it specifically says "EXP and skill EXP the horse earns while ridden". Training xp is listed completely separately at the bottom of the costume.
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  14. Cappuccino added a post in a topic Year 2 Mega Horse Breeding Thread   

    Since there has been so much discussion about skills recently, I think it is important for new breeders to understand why veteran breeders adopted certain approaches and the long-term results from those approaches before deciding whether to use pearls. This info was a reply to another thread on the forum, but needs to be here as well:
     
    The approach breeders take to using pearl items for horses has to do with how we believe they learn skills. (This post is going to be long, fair warning.) There are essentially two schools of thought:
    1) Some believe that horses learn skills via a random percent chance roll when the horse levels, with basic skills being weighted with a higher percent to roll/learn.
    Based on this belief, certain trainers will buy skill change coupons and trade out something basic like Fore Chop every time the horse learns it as it levels, in order to increase the total number of skills learned (because it will keep learning an "easy to get skill" that can then be traded out for something rarer). However, time and time again, these horses still learn the average number of skills. This does not appear to change their potential for total skills learned in any way. The only advantage to this approach is failstacking towards a skill you want to learn and possibly increasing the chance of the horse learning that skill naturally as it levels.
    Also based on this belief, some will brand the horse or equip a costume believing that it adds a small percentage increase in the chance to roll a skill.
    2) The second school of thought is that the horse is gaining skill xp every time it levels, and when it reaches the next threshold it learns a skill.
    After leveling so many horses, I have come to the conclusion that number 2 is the closest to being correct, and choosing which school of thought to follow does effect how you use pearl items, which I will explain in a moment.
    This is why I think there is skill xp being gained:

    -The professional training clothes directly reference Skill EXP. Some will say this effects how fast you can train a skill the horse has already learned, but this is referred to as proficiency NOT skill exp in other pearl shop items. Plus, I see no difference in training skill proficiency with or without the training clothes, leading me to believe there is in fact a separate Skill EXP stat.

    -Horses don't randomly learn skills. This is the biggest argument against random percent to roll. Sometimes when you are horse training you will level 2 horses one right after the other that are carbon copies of each other. They learn the same skills at the same level. I have had up to 3 horses on a wagon follow the same exact pattern of skill learning. This is the biggest revealer in my opinion of how the skill system works:
    a) horses are born with a randomly assigned preset skill hierarchy
    b) that means a dumb horse will be dumb, it isn't just rng
    c) you can disrupt the pattern by using pearl items but not by much
    3) Pearl Shop Items
    For a long time, horse costumes did appear to be bugged and produced a negative effect to skill learning. Around the time that they ninja nerfed horse skill gain, it seems they also tweaked the costumes fixing that issue. However, I have found something I cannot explain while leveling horses. It seems that the overall skill gain is improved by equipping the costume AFTER the horse has hit a skill learning sticking point. On my t8s that typically happens at around 8 skills and level 12-14. Right after equipping the costume, they will start learning skills again. And testing on lower tiers seems to indicate that removing and re-equipping the costume seems to negate the effect, so I think there is still some buggy code.
    Do not waste money on Skill Change coupons as a way to increase the total number of skills the horse has. It won't help. Only use them to failstack towards skills you really want and to get rid of skills you don't.

    For T8s specifically, it can easily take over $100 in Skill Change coupons to get one of the rare S Skills. (I know of 2 people right off the bat this happened to, one of them is in my guild.) It seems to be cheaper to wait until the horse hits 30 and then cycle through multiple Appearance Change coupons instead, which is one of the few things that will actually give the horse more skills than it could have learned otherwise, and is the likeliest route to turning an ok t8 into a courser for t9 awakening.
     
     
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  15. Cappuccino added a post in a topic Horse Skill Training Question   

    The approach breeders take to using pearl items for horses has to do with how we believe they learn skills. (This post is going to be long, fair warning.) There are essentially two schools of thought:
    1) Some believe that horses learn skills via a random percent chance roll when the horse levels, with basic skills being weighted with a higher percent to roll/learn.
    Based on this belief, certain trainers will buy skill change coupons and trade out something basic like Fore Chop every time the horse learns it as it levels, in order to increase the total number of skills learned (because it will keep learning an "easy to get skill" that can then be traded out for something rarer). However, time and time again, these horses still learn the average number of skills. This does not appear to change their potential for total skills learned in any way. The only advantage to this approach is failstacking towards a skill you want to learn and possibly increasing the chance of the horse learning that skill naturally as it levels.
    Also based on this belief, some will brand the horse or equip a costume believing that it adds a small percentage increase in the chance to roll a skill.
    2) The second school of thought is that the horse is gaining skill xp every time it levels, and when it reaches the next threshold it learns a skill.
    After leveling so many horses, I have come to the conclusion that number 2 is the closest to being correct, and choosing which school of thought to follow does effect how you use pearl items, which I will explain in a moment.
    This is why I think there is skill xp being gained:

    -The professional training clothes directly reference Skill EXP. Some will say this effects how fast you can train a skill the horse has already learned, but this is referred to as proficiency NOT skill exp in other pearl shop items. Plus, I see no difference in training skill proficiency with or without the training clothes, leading me to believe there is in fact a separate Skill EXP stat.

    -Horses don't randomly learn skills. This is the biggest argument against random percent to roll. Sometimes when you are horse training you will level 2 horses one right after the other that are carbon copies of each other. They learn the same skills at the same level. I have had up to 3 horses on a wagon follow the same exact pattern of skill learning. This is the biggest revealer in my opinion of how the skill system works:
    a) horses are born with a randomly assigned preset skill hierarchy
    b) that means a dumb horse will be dumb, it isn't just rng
    c) you can disrupt the pattern by using pearl items but not by much
    3) Pearl Shop Items
    For a long time, horse costumes did appear to be bugged and produced a negative effect to skill learning. Around the time that they ninja nerfed horse skill gain, it seems they also tweaked the costumes fixing that issue. However, I have found something I cannot explain while leveling horses. It seems that the overall skill gain is improved by equipping the costume AFTER the horse has hit a skill learning sticking point. On my t8s that typically happens at around 8 skills and level 12-14. Right after equipping the costume, they will start learning skills again. And testing on lower tiers seems to indicate that removing and re-equipping the costume seems to negate the effect, so I think there is still some buggy code.
    Do not waste money on Skill Change coupons as a way to increase the total number of skills the horse has. It won't help. Only use them to failstack towards skills you really want and to get rid of skills you don't.

    For T8s specifically, it can easily take over $100 in Skill Change coupons to get one of the rare S Skills. (I know of 2 people right off the bat this happened to, one of them is in my guild.) It seems to be cheaper to wait until the horse hits 30 and then cycle through multiple Appearance Change coupons instead, which is one of the few things that will actually give the horse more skills than it could have learned otherwise, and is the likeliest route to turning an ok t8 into a courser for t9 awakening.
     
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