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Efitall

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  1. Efitall added a topic in Maehwa   

    Hawol
    In case your quest is broken, too:
     

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  2. Efitall added a post in a topic Musa/Mae awakening quest bugged?   

    Here:

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  3. Efitall added a topic in General   

    Hawol location
    Hope this makes it easier.
    <3
    Efi

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  4. Efitall added a post in a topic PSA: Maehwa Hawol quest line   

    This is where Hawol is
     
     

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  5. Efitall added a post in a topic Guild House Tutorials   

    It's based on when the guild house was last purchased.  Our server seems to be on Sundays, as that was the first day they were available.  Sorry I can't be more specific!
    Updated with video 3.1: Catching and raising baby elephants
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  6. Efitall added a topic in Guides   

    Guild House Tutorials
    Videos related to using a guild house.
    Part 1: Guild House 101 - general info for guild members on how to get to the guild house, what you'll find inside, and how to do your part to help your guild build things like Elephants and Trade Packs
    Part 2: Guild Clearance Permits - step-by-step guide for where to get the mats and how to make them
    Part 3.1: Catching and Raising Elephants
    Part 3.2: Elephant Armor (coming soon)
    Part 4: (coming soon) Guild Trade Packs
     
     
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  7. Efitall added a post in a topic <Xen of Onslaught> Will be riding the storm! Come join in today! We do just about everything.   

    Xen of Onslaught smells like cookies.  It sounds like music, and tastes like ice cream and rainbows.
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  8. Efitall added a post in a topic Original Cash Shop post changed   

    Can't disagree with you there, man.  Integrity isn't always the fastest way to make cash.
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  9. Efitall added a post in a topic Original Cash Shop post changed   

    In a normal business model I would agree with you, but it's a bit different with video games.  CMs and GMs (and in this case, PMs) are the customer-facing piece of the MMO pie.  They manage the communities, but they also manage communication between the player-base and the company.  Whether it's in his official job description or not, the player base views his word as the company's word.  Perception is everything.
    Oh, I doubt the changes were his idea.  Speculation on my part, obviously, but generally things like that come from some one else directing the change.
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  10. Efitall added a post in a topic Original Cash Shop post changed   

    Yeah, I think that's probably the case (at least partially).  Unfortunately, he's the representative we have of their company; what he says is what Daum/Kakao says.  It doesn't matter if the information is coming from Jouska (doubtful) or if he's being told to convey the information in a certain way (including edits), the result is the same.
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  11. Efitall added a post in a topic Original Cash Shop post changed   

    Yeah ofc!  People can disagree.  I just found the difference between the two strange and interesting.  
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  12. Efitall added a post in a topic Original Cash Shop post changed   

    Depends on how their contract is negotiated, I would assume.  Haven't been in game development, but have definitely been involved in software development and licensing.
     
     
    That's the problem - even if I do feel like the publisher is being dishonest with their recent behavior, I still really love the game.  I'm not sure how much more BDO content I'll make - probably until the population goes upside down.  Definitely looking into other games now, where I wasn't before.
     
     
    He was pretty clear that he was talking about a Premium Sub when used the term "Premium Sub" and then went further to describe it as "extra benefits".  
     
     
    That's what's funny: I just happened to have the screenshot because of the announcement video I made.  I would never have even noticed it changed if it hadn't been pointed out to me by my husband.  I wasn't trying to watch and measure and make sure they were being up-front and honest in their communication.  It just sort of happened that there was a disparity, and that it's a pretty big one, and I still had the screenshot in a folder, and I hadn't deleted it after publishing (I usually do).  
    I bet people start screen-capping GM posts going forward, though.
    I certainly hope I don't get banned.  It would be an interesting turn of events, that's for sure.  
     
     
    Like I said, I can't imagine a scenario where the GM of an MMO in 2016 doesn't know the difference between a "Subscription" (required to log in) and a "Premium Subscription" (not required to log in, but gives vast in-game benefits).  That's just not possible.  He knew when he responded to that post that he wasn't answering the question that was asked.  
    And you're right - he didn't say they won't offer any type of sub.  It's well within their rights as business owners to change their cash shop model in any way they see fit, for any reason, at any time.  I don't take issues with them doing whatever they need to in order to manage their business.  I do take issue with the way they're handling it.
     
     
    I've heard people say they never know what's coming in the patches until they get them, then they have to rush to translate them before they install.  Seems like an awfully strange way to do business to me.  Hi Devo  
     
     
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  13. Efitall added a post in a topic Original Cash Shop post changed   

    That is correct - but that's not what he was asked.  He was asked, very specifically and in detail:
    "Will their be a premium subscription?" 
     
    The person then goes on to describe specifically what he means by "Premium subscription" as:
    "$15 for extra benefits" 
     
    Jouska didn't lie - you're right about that.  He was, however, intentionally misleading in the way he answered.  There's no scenario where the GM of an MMO in 2016 doesn't know the difference between a Sub and a Premium Sub, especially when it's described so clearly by the user asking the question.  Sorry, hun, gonna have to disagree with you on this one.
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  14. Efitall added a post in a topic Original Cash Shop post changed   

    I say "shady" because the "clarification" post was actually less clear.  They removed specifics and deadlines, thereby communicating less information than they originally did.  
    Giving them the benefit of the doubt, sure, it could definitely mean that.  It could also mean they're adding additional items to the list, or that they know this won't be the only cash shop change coming down the pipes in the next month or so.  Unfortunately, because of the way they've handled both this and the Value Packs, I'm inclined to believe the later, instead of the former.
    I feel the same way.  I'm not particularly opposed to the Value Packs or Cash4Gold, but I do take issue with the way they've handled both releases.
    That's the thing... for every business, it's in their best interest to ensure their client is satisfied; for Daum, that's us (and we're obviously not - not most of us anyway).  I'm not saying they shouldn't move more towards a P2W/F2P model - not my company, not my call - but they way they're pushing forward, despite the dismay and anger demonstrated by their customer base, is a very strange way to do business.  
     
    On top of that, trying to pass it off as though they're trying to do us a favor, as though the second wave of cash shop changes was somehow engineered in response to the VP outrage, is dishonest.  It's been coming for awhile, and you can tell it's always been coming by the way they've answered questions like this:

     
    Nobody's this careful with their wording, or this careful to not answer the question as it was asked, unless they know something the person asking the question doesn't.  This is from Februrary - they've known all along these changes were coming.  To claim otherwise is just flat dishonest on their part.  
      
     
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  15. Efitall added a topic in General   

    Original Cash Shop post changed
    So, I like to make videos about Black Desert.  Yesterday, after Jouska's announcement, I made a quick vid about the changes to the cash shop, just to ensure my tiny little Youtube audience was aware of the updates and knew what to expect going forward.  Because of that, I had screenshots of Jouska's original post regarding the Cash4Gold changes.  My husband just pointed out that the message that's now available is not the original message.  It says it was edited "to deliver and clarify the intention better" but the information now available is actually more vague.  The original message (first image) lists specifically when the changes will be made (the next maint), and what, exactly, will be available for resale (VP, costumes, outfits, and pets).  The new post gives a nebulous timeline ("over the next series of updates") and no longer specifies what items are going to be available for resale.  
    If you're "clarifying" your message, why is it less specific now than the previous one?  
    TL;DR: Shady alteration of original Cash4Gold info leaves door open for additional items to be resold on Marketplace.


     
     
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  16. Efitall added a post in a topic Herbal juice   

    Eh, crafted pots are lighter, anyway, so they're kind of doing you a favor (especially now since there's no energy cost).  Just set it to auto-craft and go make a sandwich or something.
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  17. Efitall added a topic in Guides   

    Guild House 101
    Quick tips on accessing and using the guild house.  I'll do a few more about parchment and elephants in a few days.
     
     
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  18. Efitall added a post in a topic Value Pack Discussions   

    Subscription = required monthly purchase - without it you can't log in
    Premium Subscription = not required, but significant in-game benefit to purchase, required to remain competitive - can log in without it, but at end-game, you won't be able to keep up unless you buy it
    These are pretty common gaming terms in the PC MMO world.  I can't imagine a scenario where you're unfamiliar with the difference.
    Players feel like you lied to them because when they specifically asked about a Premium Sub, you said no (even though it was obvious by the very careful wording of your response you didn't actually answer the question as it was asked).  Technically, you didn't lie, but it does feel like you deliberately misunderstood the question to avoid telling the truth, which, in some ways, is just as bad.
    Putting this in without laying the ground-work first was pretty short-sighted, and a lot of the backlash could have been mitigated by easing people into it (ex: Hey guys, we're changing the model of the cash shop slightly to help new players get caught up faster!  Look for new items in next week's patch).  
    Hindsight's 20/20, I guess.  Glad it's up for discussion now, even if it's a bit more like damage control at this point.
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    Edited to add I'm fine with the pack, both as-is or without the Marketplace benefits.  You guys do whatever you need to to manage your business and keep the player-base large and active.  If that means you adjust to cater to adults with full-time jobs who can't play 10 hours a day, then that's what that means.  I'm fine with it, I just wish you'd handled the situation differently.  
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  19. Efitall added a topic in Technical Issues   

    Can't connect to login server (UK)
    Consolidating info for other UK players who are having trouble connecting to the login server:
    1. BDO team can't do anything to fix it (it's not on their end)
    2. BT doesn't know what's going on and have no ETA (as of 10:30 am Thursday).  2 Days of interrupted service and counting.
    3. It's really nice out today - maybe we should all go for a walk.  
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  20. Efitall added a post in a topic Introducing the Value Pack   

    Any time you're allowing players to exchange irl cash for in-game currency, which is what 20% more gold in-pocket does, you're giving players who spend a drastic advantage over players who don't.
    Gold = Gear = more winning for less work
    Not sure where you're struggling with this concept...
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  21. Efitall added a post in a topic Valencia: How to unlock the Crescent Mountain node   

    Thanks for the additional info!  When I scripted it I was more concerned about getting the black crystals.  Didn't think about the Crescent Shrine til after I posted the darn thing.  I wonder if I can tack that on to the end...
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  22. Efitall added a topic in Guides