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  1. ronniejw added a post in a topic Black Desert comes out on Steam!   

    Yes, I would have thought that they could issue a code to enter on Steam or something to be able to switch.
    They didn't and there won't be.  They said everyone, both Steam and BDO account holders, will be playing on the same server.
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  2. ronniejw added a post in a topic Black Desert comes out on Steam!   

    This is from the faq:

    Will Steam players be playing on the same servers as Black Desert Online accounts?
    Yes, Black Desert Online operates in a single-world system. Black Desert Online players will all play in the same world, but can freely select servers within that world.
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  3. ronniejw added a post in a topic Karma greifing   

    I'll keep posting it so long as people keep making false claims about it.  Does the truth really bother you that much?
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  4. ronniejw added a post in a topic Karma greifing   

    No, they are convenience items.  They will not provide you with gear that is far greater than any that can be obtained simply by playing the game.  Convenience items just speed up the process. 
    The convenience items sold help to create a balance between the advantage gained from factors that are external to the game (time and money).  If they didn't make convenience items available on the cash shop then the only external factor that would provide advantage in the game would be time which would be unfair to those people that have less time to play but have more money to spend as a result.
    The phrase "pay to win" has been distorted so much since we first started using it, about eighteen years ago, that it has reached the point of obscurity.  The only use it plays in discussing the availability of convenience items on the cash shop is as a means to strike at peoples emotions to further your own biased position.  No honest argument can take place over the convenience items until people stop using the phrase p2w and address the issue as a balance issue between the two external factors that provide advantage in the game: time and money.
    Because this is an issue of balance, no one item (see note below) can be addressed in isolation from the other factors that provide advantage.  It must be addressed as a whole; the advantage provided from time vs. the advantage provided from money.  It seems to me that the best balance in the advantage obtained from time and money is the one that gives the best balance for the greatest number of players.  Where that balance should lye, I don't know, but that is what the discussion should be about.
    Note:  For example if a player that only has time to play BDO three hours per day on week days, but can spend money on AMs, will they be at a much greater advantage over a player that can play twelve hours per day but can't afford to buy AMs?  There are many other factors involved that would affect the balance and all of them would need to be taken into consideration.
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  5. ronniejw added a post in a topic Karma greifing   

    People don't have a clue what griefing really is.  Just because someone shows up at the same location you are grinding in and starts killing mobs doesn't mean they are a griefer.  You people need to start saying what you really mean which is that you get pissed when someone else grinds in an area that you "perceive" that you own even though you are grinding in a common area that is open to everyone to grind in.  Well, you don't get to make the rules in this game. If you want to lay claim to the spot then you need to kill them, out grind them or leave.  Karma system is working just fine.
    This is what makes a person a griefer (taken from Wikipedia; bold added for emphisis):
    A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and angers other players within the game, often using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.
    If a players intent is to kill mobs in the same area you are grinding in that doesn't make them a griefer.  If their intent in grinding mobs in that area is because they are getting pleasure from annoying you then it is griefing.  To determine what the other players intention is just move off to another grind area.  If they continue to follow you around and kill the same mobs that you are attacking then most likely they are doing it because they are getting pleasure from annoying you (I actually had this happen once in the past year).  If they don't follow you but instead just keep grinding where they are then most likely their intent was just to grind the mobs and therefore are not a griefer.  They are simply playing the game as it is designed to be played.
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  6. ronniejw added a post in a topic Stop the griefers!   

    And obviously you still don't know what a griefer is.
    No it doesn't.  The definition is still the same.
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  7. ronniejw added a post in a topic Stop the griefers!   

    No, neither are forms of griefing.  Working like it should.  It's like you are completely selfish.  People don't play by the rules you made up then they are griefers.  I think not.
    I have played this game for over a year at least eight hours per day and have been playing MMORPGs for just over eighteen years.
    The basic definition of what a griefer is remains the same no matter which game you play.  The method of griefing may be different but the definition is still based on intent and that intent includes the pleasure they get from griefing.  Perhaps you missed that point:
    A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and angers other players within the game, often using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals
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  8. ronniejw added a post in a topic GET RID OF THIS GOD AWFUL MECHANIC   

    I wish they would build in an automatic trigger for bidding so that the bidding on an item only engaged when supplies dropped below a certain threshold. Seems to me that it would help with this.
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  9. ronniejw added a post in a topic Stop the griefers!   

    All you are doing is grasping at straws and twisting what I've said.  You also don't seem to even know what a griefer is.  I would recommend that you have a read of the Wikipedia page on Griefer located here (it will help if you check your bias at the door first so that it doesn't cloud your thinking).  This is from that page (I added bold for emphasis):
    A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and angers other players within the game, often using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals
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    Kill stealing, denying another player the pleasure or gain of killing a target that should have been theirs.
    Someone that is out grinding you with the intent to gain control of the grind location isn't a griefer.  You are misusing the term in order to sway peoples emotions and get their support. 
    The only way to even try to make a determination in this case is to put their intentions to the test.  One way of doing that is to leave your rotation and move to another area.  If the other player follows you and continues to kill everything around you instead of grinding in the location you left then it is a good bet that they are doing it with the intent of annoying you for the pleasure they gain from it.  Out grinding you to gain control is no different than killing someone over and over to keep control.  Neither is griefing. 
    I've had people do this to me on many occasions but only once was it griefing.  That guy followed me all over the place and would only kill mobs when I stopped to kill mobs. I even ran from the Old Iron Mine to Manes. The whole time he was also verbally taunting me.  This lasted for around ten to fifteen minutes.
    Of course if you have the ability to read minds then I suppose you would know what their intentions are.
    The thing is that you do have options.  You can kill them, out grind them, switch channels or go somewhere else to grind.  It's your choice.  Grinding in the same area as your group doesn't make the other player a griefer. 
    If this is a constant problem for you then perhaps you should consider not trying to grind in overcrowded grind spots.  Just saying...
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  10. ronniejw added a post in a topic Stop the griefers!   

    It should be renamed because karma bombing doesn't exist.  Nobody bombs you or makes you loose karma.  If you loose karma it's because you did it to yourself. Call it what it is: karmakaze.  It isn't griefing because they have every right to kill the mobs in the same area that you are grinding in.  YOU don't get to make the rules. 
    I grasp the concept but I also realize that it is only an emotional response and not a logical one.  Karma bombing only exist in the minds of those people making such claims. 
    There is absolutely no difference between one player killing those mobs and another player killing them. Other people could make the exact same argument that if they come along to grind some mobs and you keep killing them because you think you own the area then you are the one griefing them to make them leave.  See, it's the same one way or the other.  Neither of which is griefing; they are simply out grinding you.  Kill stealing (killing a mob that another player has damaged), on the other hand, has long been accepted as a form of griefing going all the way back to the beginning of MMORPGs.
    Let me explain this in a way that perhaps YOU can grasp.  Lets say you go to the local national forest to pick berries.  The forest is a common area and anyone can pick the berries if they want.  While you are picking the berries some other player comes along and also starts picking berries.  You yell over to him that you were there first (spot taken).  He yells back "so what you don't own them".  This pisses you off so you pull out a gun and blow him away.  Who do you think would be in the wrong and will be punished?
    And, if you murder another player then you are a criminal and loose karma.  The more times you murder another player the more karma you loose.  Just in case you don't grasp the concept of murder in a game I'll quote from the official BDO website (bold added for emphasis):
    Karma refers to the alignment system which affects your relationship to players and NPC’s, in regards to PvP. You gain karma by killing monsters. When you initiate open world PvP, or flag on another player, you lose karma for assaulting that player. If you strike a death blow, you lose more karma for murder. If you go below 0 karma, you are permanently flagged until you raise your karma, and NPC guards will kill you on sight.
    Edit:  Quote can be found here.
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  11. ronniejw added a post in a topic Stop the griefers!   

    Karma bombing doesn't exist.  Nobody can make you lose karma. If you want to use a nick name for someone that keeps flagging up and loosing karma then call it Karmakaze. 

    It isn't greifing if another player kills mobs in the same area you are grinding in.  If they kill mobs that you have already damaged then it's griefing.  Karma system works just fine.  No change needed.
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  12. ronniejw added a post in a topic Stop the griefers!   

    There are no game rules that say that if you were there first the area, and all the mob located there, belongs to you. You can't just make up your own game rules and expect everyone else to abide by them.  If you haven't already damaged a monster then the kill doesn't belong to you.  It's not griefing and the system is working just fine as it is.

    You certainly are in your right to kill that person because it's an open world game that allows PvP but stop blaming other people when you do so.  If you murder the other player to try to keep them from grinding in the same area as you then you also have to accept the karma loss as well. 
    There is no difference between someone that claims an area is theirs and kills anyone that tries to grind in that area or someone that comes along and claims an area and kills anyone already grinding there.  They are the same thing.
    Karma bombing doesn't exist.  Nobody can make you loose karma. The choice is yours to make.
    Game avatars are a representation of a real life person with emotions and feelings and the impacts they feel due to the conduct of other players is real. Don't confuse your own lack of emotions and feelings with that of other people playing the game.
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  13. ronniejw added a post in a topic Stop the griefers!   

    Sorry OP but what you have described isn't griefing. It's called playing the game.  If they keep returning and attacking mobs that you have already damaged then it would be griefing (kill stealing) but you have no claim on the area and all mobs in it.  The karma system is there to reduce the amount of actual griefing that takes place in the game and it's working way better than what we had before.
    You loose karma because you are murdering another player.  You don't want to loose karma trying to run them off then it's your problem not theirs.  YOU can leave or change channels if you don't want to go red.  They are just as entitled to the grind area as you are and I would be willing to bet that many of the people you keep killing over and over think that it is you that is griefing them.
    The karma system works just fine.  No changes needed.
    It's my impression that camping the node to kill you over and over when you re-spawn is griefing and against the rules of this game.  Next time film them doing this and report it.
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  14. ronniejw added a post in a topic Server merge was a bad idea -.-   

    The only thing I don't like, that is a result of the merge, is that it's a bit harder to obtain pearl items off the market.  I also miss Uno server.  Seems to me that people on that server were much nicer than what I experienced after the server merge.
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  15. ronniejw added a post in a topic Ive been kicked out of my spot   

    I often point out that karma bombing doesn't exist and I'm retired US Army Infantry (served twenty years) who also served two years as a Senior Drill Sergeant and a year with the 3/7th Special Forces (Airborne) in Panama.
    Rational thinking has nothing to do with a persons body shape or their ability to administer an ass kicking when the need arises. 
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