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  1. Post on Again a FPS thread in General

    By Xxy, posted
    Hello people, I have a problem with fps and I saw some threads but I never found a fix.
    So my pc is good enaught for bdo for sure:
    i5 7600k, gtx 1080ti, 16GB 
    I set the Xbox dvr thing to 0 and I dont know what to do, I get random fps drops, even in empty cities, but most of the time at the storage, does anyone know a real fix?
  2. Post on Weird Problem in Technical Issues

    By Lau Lau, posted
    Hello, this keeps happening to me after being online for a while (about 1h). Why? And how do I fix this? Do I have to re-install the game?

  3. I'm just about at my wits end with BDO, its practices, and priorities
    Current priorities
    Cash shopCash shopDid i mention cash shopETC (random detachable UI,  Text fixes, Maybe a bug(is it a cash shop item?), Class balance (kek))Server StabilityWhat priorities should be 
    Server StabilityClass BalanceBug FixesContentCash Shopdo you see the problem there? As a person who has spent hundreds of dollars on BDO I'm really trying to figure out where my money is going because its sure not back into the game. I have read pages on pages of forum post about server instability, how you cant go on odd number channels because of reverse proxy, or tin foil about opening your map to fix fps issues. I have not seen one response from Kakao/Pearl Abyss, it's as if they are blind (Or Don't care - I'm leaning towards this). Yet you move the heavens and earth to fix Amenos horse gear and other things that really don't matter in the long run. No disrespect to the people who paid for that horse gear but the servers are way more important than a damn horse set. I think u'll will live without your flower power horse.
    this is just poor business practice.  There is an utter disregard for player base(repeat offender - poor transparency), pure greed(Cash Shop), and a lack of urgency. I would very much like for the community to band together and hit y'all where it hurts i.e. the pocket book. which entails a strike on buying all cash shop items until we get word on fixes in a reasonable amount of time. and No I don't want any other compensation band aids like GM blessing or Black stone box(GM box) or any other hold this pacifier event. I want real changes and I think everyone deserve to play a game that if nothing else is stable enough to play.  software is a whole other topic. *cough* Desync / Netcode.
    and before any says anything about cash shop. No i am not opposed to it, as I know it's how the game thrives and continue to provide content and "servers"(potatoes). what i am against is every week getting useless up dates like this. When we cant even play stable enough to do anything but stand still and afk activities in a town.(cross you fingers training horses)

    - EnchantedSorrow
     
    Long story short you need to check in with the player base and give us some real time frame on fixes if there are any in the works. There needs to be a immediate redirection of resources and no more filler updates that don't matter (see above). because if you don't there will be a mass exodus of players the first sign of anything new worth playing and me and some of my friends are already getting frustrated enough that the progression we have gotten thus far don't even matter anymore as we are just tired of the head ache. so unless you want to be the next Blessed RU ( >_>), then do something other than 

  4. I'm just about at my wits end with BDO, its practices, and priorities
    Current priorities
    Cash shopCash shopDid i mention cash shopETC (random detachable UI,  Text fixes, Maybe a bug(is it a cash shop item?), Class balance (kek))Server StabilityWhat priorities should be 
    Server StabilityClass BalanceBug FixesContentCash Shopdo you see the problem there? As a person who has spent hundreds of dollars on BDO I'm really trying to figure out where my money is going because its sure not back into the game. I have read pages on pages of forum post about server instability, how you cant go on odd number channels because of reverse proxy, or tin foil about opening your map to fix fps issues. I have not seen one response from Kakao/Pearl Abyss, it's as if they are blind (Or Don't care - I'm leaning towards this). Yet you move the heavens and earth to fix Amenos horse gear and other things that really don't matter in the long run. No disrespect to the people who paid for that horse gear but the servers are way more important than a damn horse set. I think u'll will live without your flower power horse.
    this is just poor business practice.  There is an utter disregard for player base(repeat offender - poor transparency), pure greed(Cash Shop), and a lack of urgency. I would very much like for the community to band together and hit y'all where it hurts i.e. the pocket book. which entails a strike on buying all cash shop items until we get word on fixes in a reasonable amount of time. and No I don't want any other compensation band aids like GM blessing or Black stone box(GM box) or any other hold this pacifier event. I want real changes and I think everyone deserve to play a game that if nothing else is stable enough to play.  software is a whole other topic. *cough* Desync / Netcode.
    and before any says anything about cash shop. No i am not opposed to it, as I know it's how the game thrives and continue to provide content and "servers"(potatoes). what i am against is every week getting useless up dates like this. When we cant even play stable enough to do anything but stand still and afk activities in a town.(cross you fingers training horses)

    - EnchantedSorrow
     
    Long story short you need to check in with the player base and give us some real time frame on fixes if there are any in the works. There needs to be a immediate redirection of resources and no more filler updates that don't matter (see above). because if you don't there will be a mass exodus of players the first sign of anything new worth playing and me and some of my friends are already getting frustrated enough that the progression we have gotten thus far don't even matter anymore as we are just tired of the head ache. so unless you want to be the next Blessed RU ( >_>), then do something other than 

  5. Post on Wear it with pride in Valkyrie

    By fallout, posted
    Get your profile picture here until this is fixed!

  6. Continuation of the below thread:
    to @Alterist I say:
    - Why lock when you can just move? You're actively shutting down discussion when we have questions that need answering.
    - If Kakao know about it, why haven't they told us whether this is an intended stealth nerf or a bug yet?
    - If Kakao require Pearl Abyss to fix it, why does this issue not exist on the KR client?
    - Why should Pearl Abyss go out of their way to fix something that Kakao obviously f---ed up themselves?
    - In which case, if Kakao broke this themselves, why can't they fix it?
    - Is the breakdown of communication with the community in any way a reflection of Kakao's lack of communication with Pearl Abyss?
    - Do Kakao even have a direct line of communication with Pearl Abyss anymore for fixes like this?
    - Why do we sometimes get balance changes instantly that require no translation, and other times these patches get ignored for months?
    @Alterist I know some of these questions may be a bit beyond you but I would appreciate very much if you could pass these on to those actually able to answer them, because I think I speak for all Valkyries when I say we are sick of this.
  7. 3 weeks now, no Valk shield fix. It's also now been 2 months since the Valk PVE + cast speed buff in KR also, and no word on that.

    Post made 17:04, locked 17:06.
    Maybe if Kakao were as fast at fixing bugs as they are at moderating their forum, we'd have the shield fixed and our cast speed buffed by now. :thinking: 
  8. Fix Valkyrie's shield. 
    Thanks.
  9. This only works for windows 10 and it will only work for a very small amount of people.
    If you play at 60 fps and it dips constantly down to 15 fps (Mostly in combat) Then this might be a fix for you.
    Is your desktop background a slideslow? Simply change it to a single picture and NOT a slideslow.
    Worked for me, might work for others figured I'd say something.
  10. There was an older forum post that told us which channels were reversed proxy channels. However the post was long forgotten and new players are now lagging without knowing about the reverse proxy channels. You will either not lag at all or lag very bad in these channels. B1, S3, S5, M3, M5, C3, C5, Val3, and Val5 are the ones that I know of. If you lag in these channels move to a different channel and it should fix it. Vice Versa. Please let everyone who lags know this so they can fix it. Thanks!
     
  11. Hi 
    So thats my computer:
    Processor Intel Core i5-6400, 2.7GHz
    Graphic Card Sapphire Radeon RX 480 Nitro+ 4GB 
    8GB RAM
    Win10 64 bit
    Not bad,right? It fulfills minimum and almost reccomended requirements of BDO and even on the smallest graphic settings i had only 30 fps and it drops all time.
    I have already checked my drivers, they are updated,
    I have Direcx12. 
    What's the problem?Please help.
    (Sorry if there are some mistakes, my english is still not prefect )
  12. Greetings lovely Community. 
    First one or two word. I'm kinda new to this Forum and this is my first post and those dreadful times summoned me here. But still, were're one Community! I'm sorry if I killed you in the node wars before or at pirats, but right now...Right now, we need to hold together! 
    Now you maybe wonder what this is all about. Well, let me tell you! Have you ever leveled up... peacefully in Elwynn Forest in WoW? Or killed some Raptors in Durotar and went to Ogrimmar or Stormwind encountering some massiv lags? To be honest, the only MMORPG I'm playing right now is BDO, but back in the past... No! I did not have such lags in ANY MMORPG! 
    Okay, to be fair, EVE, WoW, etc. demand ~13 bucks per month + the game license. We only pay 10€/$ for the game. Then... well then, everyone of us, who's in the Forum and played more than 100 hours of this game probably paid ~30-90 bucks for pets (t1-t3) + 30 bucks for a Costumes. Then there's a massiv amount of cash spend into a good horse and into one or four maiden and so on. 
    Sorry, I do not have any spreadsheets for our Community. But I personally paid about ~ 300€. Then I read about people who spent around ~3000€ and more. 
    What I'm going for is, that Kakao Games made approximately 100m+ last year... after they paid their employees. And they still provide us with shitty servers?! 
    My statement for the day is... not as I wanted a "group signature riot" (or so... sorry, english is not my first tongue), but...
    I won't play the game anymore, till they fix it! 
    We don't need patches for DK's javelins on freaking elephants...
    ... WE WANT THE GAME TO BE FIXED!
  13. Hi all,
    I would like to share my research (not my very own) with you guys. To improve game performance especially for BDO.
    This is for NVIDIA graphics cards but can be usable for AMD cards too. *Not the NVIDIA settings*
     
    * I run BDO with max settings on 130-144 FPS. Even in cities and crowded places. Sometimes it drops below 120. *
    I will make some screenshots today later.

    My setup:
    CPU: i7-4790k 5Ghz
    GPU: GTX 1080 2.2Ghz
    RAM: 16GB 3Ghz
    Disk: SSD
    Network Interface: 1Gbps
    Network speed: 500/500 Mbit

    Some stuff we need to know:
    1. Game priority
    2. GPU usage
    3. GPU throttle

    1. Game priority is very low on this one. So your GPU will use only its default clock on (Minimal).
    2. GPU usage, from NVIDIA Settings. The GPU doesn't force its maximum performance. *It does not*
    3. GPU throttle? No throttle. It's basically not enough Power. Not enough juice.

    What we need to do is (trick) the game / GPU to force its maximum performance.
    How? Well, EVGA guys have an option to use K-BOOST. I don't have EVGA, I do have STRIX. So that K-Boost option isn't available.
    But I want to FORCE my GPU to have a maximum clock rate at any time. You can't do this on PASCAL cards, yet.
    So on your GTX 980 you can make a custom bios. But this is not the case.

    Now we are going to do some adjustments.

    Before we start.
    I have monitored my GPU behaviour and my systems. My GTX 1080 was running on 1.6Ghz Core Clock with BDO. After applying these configurations, It was on 2.2Ghz. A huge difference. But how?! Well, my GPU is overclocked *Boost Clock* to 2.2Ghz. Default (base clock) is 1.6Ghz. This game almost ran on 1.6Ghz everytime even with Overclock. So these tweaks actually cranks up your GPU by tricking to run on MAX Performance. That's all. And some other tweaks.
    And make sure you BACK-UP your register first!

    NVIDIA settings 
    Anisotropic Filtering                                                   ---   16x (max)
    Antialising - Mode                                                      ---   Override the Application Setting
    Antialising - Setting                                                    ---   4x
    Antialising - Transparency                                          ---   Multisample
    Power Management Mode                                         ---   Prefer Maximum Performance
    Shader Cache                                                            ---   ON
    Texture Filtering - Anisotropic Sample Optimisation   ---   ON
    Texture Filtering - Negative LOD Bias                        ---   Clamp
    Texture Filtering - Quality                                           ---   High Performance
    Texture Filtering - Trilinear Optimisation                    ---   On
    Triple Buffing                                                              ---   On
    Vertical Sync                                                               ---   FAST or ON *I have it on FAST with my 144Ghz Monitor*
    Network Throttling Index Gaming Tweak
    Works with all current versions of Windows from Vista to 8.1/10/2012 Server.
    Windows implements a network throttling mechanism to restrict the processing of non-multimedia network traffic to 10 packets per millisecond (a bit over 100 Mbits/second). The idea behind such throttling is that processing of network packets can be a resource-intensive task, and it may need to be throttled to give prioritized CPU access to multimedia programs. In some cases, such as Gigabit networks and some online games, for example, it is beneficial to turn off such throttling all together for achieving maximum throughput.
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile]
    "NetworkThrottlingIndex"=dword:ffffffff (DWORD, default: 10, recommended: 10 for media sharing, ffffffff for gaming and max throughput, valid range: 1 through 70 decimal or ffffffff to completely disable throttling)
    It is only recommended to change this setting in saturated Gigabit LAN environments, where you do not want to give priority to multimedia playback.
    Reportedly, disabling throttling by using ffffffff can also help reduce ping spikes in some online games. Games that may be affected by this throttling: Source Engine games (TF2, Left 4 Dead, CS:S), HoN, CoD, Overlord series.
    System Responsiveness Gaming Tweak
    Exists in all versions of Windows from Vista to 8.1/10/2012 Server.
    Multimedia applications use the "Multimedia Class Scheduler" service (MMCSS) to ensure prioritized access to CPU resources, without denying CPU resources to lower-priority background applications. This reserves 20% of CPU by default for background processes, your multimedia streaming and some games can only utilize up to 80% of the CPU. This setting, in combination with the "NetworkThrottlingIndex" can help some games and video streaming. We recommend reducing the reserved CPU for background processes from the default of 20%.
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile]
    "SystemResponsiveness"=dword:00000000  (default: 20, recommended: decimal 10 for general applications, 0 for pure gaming/streaming)
    Note: In Server operating systems (Windows 2008/2012 Server), SystemResponsiveness is set to 100 by default, denoting that background services should take priority over any multimedia applications.
    More Gaming Tweaks
    This section includes gaming-specific tweaks not listed in our general tweaking articles (and not implemented by the TCP Optimizer).
    In the same Registry hive as the above two tweaks, you can also change the priority of Games, compared to other types of traffic. These tweaks only affect games that communicate with e Multimedia Class Scheduler Service (MMCSS). Below is a list of the settings and default/recommended values:
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\Tasks\Games]
    "Affinity"=dword:00000000  (DWORD, default: 0, recommended: 0. Both 0x00 and 0xFFFFFFFF indicate that processor affinity is not used)
    "Background Only"="False"   (REG_SZ, default: "False", recommended: "False", possible values are True or False). Indicates whether this is a background task.
    "Clock Rate"=dword:00002710  (DWORD, default: 2710, recommended: 2710). The maximum guaranteed clock rate the system uses if a thread joins disk task, in 100-nanosecond intervals.
    "GPU Priority"=dword:00000008  (DWORD, default: 2, recommended: 8. range: 0-31). The GPU priority. Not used in Windows XP and 2003.
    "Priority"=dword:00000002   (DWORD, default: 2, recommended: leave alone if using "Scheduling Category" below, set to 6 otherwise for gaming, possible values are 1-8). The task priority, ranging from 1(low) to 8(high). Note  for tasks with Scheduling Category of "High", this value is always treated as 2.
    "Scheduling Category"="High"   (REG_SZ, default: "Medium", recommended: "High". possible values: Low, Medium, High)
    "SFIO Priority"="High"  (REG_SZ, default: "Normal", recommended: "High") The scheduled I/O priority, possible values are Idle, Low, Normal, or High.
    TCP Optimizer (Network optimization)
    While the SG TCP Optimizer is designed to give you the best possible throughput online, it can also help improve your gaming experience. There are, however a few subtle differences when optimizing for throughput/file transfer vs. gaming/reduced latency.

    To tweak your system for the best possible gaming performance, please follow these steps:

    1. Apply the Optimal Settings
    In the TCP Optimizer, set your advertised internet speed, choose the "optimal" settings, and "Apply" them (you can postpone the reboot for now).

    2. Set Network Throttling Index (This also can be set from Regedit)
    In the "Advanced" tab of the Optimizer, set the "Gaming Tweak - Network Throttling Index":
    NetworkThrottlingIndex: disabled:ffffffff
    SystemResponsiveness: gaming: 0 

    3. Disable Naggling (This also can be set from Regedit)
    In the "Advanced" tab, set the "Gaming Tweak - Disable Nagle's Algorithm": 
    TcpAckFrequency: 1
    TcpNoDelay: 1
    TcpDelAckTicks: 0

    4. Apply the Optimizer settings and reboot when prompted.

    Simple things we forget. Or maybe not.
    Set your Power Management on Max Performance. We did this in the NVIDIA Settings. But we have to do this on Windows too.

    This guide is totally safe because I do confirm. It cannot harm your PC. But before you do some tweaks in Regedit. Please make a backup if you don't like the outcome.
  14. Lumber Jack Area in The Moutains. 
  15. Hi my fellow BDO players mates friend whatever.
    Im not a computer PRO or technical team support so i might not know much but, my fellow guildies that had the same problem manage to fix their situation and im here to give some tips,( support team doesnt help so)
    although, i cant 100% confirm if it will work for you guys. But heres how it goes:
    #1 Go to your Black desert Folder
    #2 Find Version.dat
    #3 Rename Version.dat to config.filecheck
    exactly the word i put in, and when you Relaunch your black desert it will repair it with File check
    It says 49.89gb but really its just file checking.
     
    My guildies said this worked for them, im currently file checking/repairing. Finger cross hopefully it works and i hope it works for you guys too. 
    back, it workd for me btw
  16. Post on Kibelius Armor in Suggestions

    By Russelus, posted
    I think everyone know that the colors are out of this world when it comes to lighting in this game, but I have a huge problem with the Kibelius armor's wings, its just not looking good with most of the colors. Since the colors itself is a huge pain to fix, what about making the wing into a "cape", so we can turn it off in the inventory.
    Thank you for your time.
  17. Hello,
    I'm referring to this news:
    May I please ask for your reasoning on why you intend to remove the currently bugged option of changing the voice-over language instead of just fixing it? I can't imagine it's too hard to fix, because it's working perfectly fine on the Korean and Taiwan versions when it was implemented. The files are already in our game installations. 
    I wouldn't mind if this was being taken out to be further worked on with the intent of having a working version of it return later, if you just told us that. Can you please be a little more specific on what is currently going on with it and if you intend for this option to eventually return?
    Thank you.
    @PM_Jouska @CM_Aethon @CM_Praballo @CM_Serenity @CM_Yukimura @CM_Tytyes
  18. When you have boats getting stuck out near pirates, sink holes, n such. Quick fix it, rather than having you're support be spammed and not able to address other problems until a week/days later; just take some rope in game or make an inviso wall and put it around the problem so players can't continuously get stuck and spam support with the same problem. Helps us, and helps you guys.
    RIP horses/wagons stuck in the water right now.  :,\
  19. A rank one house is when your decoration points have the most in your server, having a rank one gives you the ability of, 1 being able to invest in banks and 2 it lets you pick up crates with a lot of contents and a lot of values. this however is something that is not limited nor can be obtained by people that have spent money in the game. I speak in behave of people that can't even pay 10$ in the game that this feature in the game is indeed pay to win, i would like kakao games to make something about this, it shouldn't be taking the feature out of the game but rather make it more open for other people as well to get it, like top 100 or top 1000 houses. it is unacceptable that even spending up to 150$ doesn't even get you in the top 100... kakao games fix.
  20. this game is so broken that i don't even know where to start..
    so to start, really this game looks like it was made by people that know how to make a game look good but have no idea how to make a game that play's well, an example of this would be the lock on prices for the marketplace, now i'm not saying the lock is a bad thing itself BUT some of the prices just make no sense at all, this is so bad to the point where some of the crafted items are never sold on the marketplace because the items either sell for a lot less than it costs to make OR you would make a lot more money just selling the materials to make it, an example of this as i found out recently was the fishing boat cargo item whits has a maximum sell price of only 560,000 and yet it costs over 1,000,000 to make... well who's stupid idea was that?
    the whole point of a marketplace is to sell something to others at a higher price than it would cost to make so that they don't need to make it but instead you have a system where people lose money for no reason if this happened in the real world civilization would just collapse  
    so if the devs insist on keeping the locked prices they should at least adjust the prices so that things like this don't happen because it is just so stupid
  21. Hello fellow sorcs!
    This patch caused a serious problem in balancing with the new added WP/SP potions added. Normally I can dumpster warriors and musa's(bladers) with no problems and out chase them any given time of the day.
    HOWEVER!
    However, With these WP potions (formally know as herbal juice) these bumbling unskillful classes endlessly run away and I have no way to catch up to them again. They just spam their WP potions and will end up killing me.
    The game was extremely more balanced when these classes had to craft and make their own WP potions because it gave other classes a chance to kill them.
    Thank you! Hopefully this gets re-balanced and fixed.
  22. I know this is off-topic, but on my last one no one responded, and this place is more populated so here I go.
    Whenever I have trouble with my computer handling a game I use a graphics processor (Specifically Nvidia).
    But it has a shield and has an additional option when try to run the game. Run as administrator is that option. 
    And when I try to run the game, it says I don't have the privilege to select the graphics processor in the menu!
    Anyone else ever encounter this issue? Aion has the same thing btw.
    Whenever I play GW2, Nvidia works just fine, so please help.
  23. So as of late the entire PvP situation on atleast Europe has been pathethic. We really do need changes instead of pushing for irrelevant expansions that noone plays. 
    The karma system still has been untouched and we still require PvP penalties in the form of XP loss, or a further spawn location. Its either that or a much softer karma penalty for the engagers. As for the people that intentionally play with desync to gain a PvP advantage, this should be the other way around. The way the server handles those cases should not be in their favour. For now lets not even talk about the desert PvP which is even stupider but that also needs to be adressed, it does not create a favourable PvP environment at all. Which supposedly it should create atleast a more favourable situation in comparison.
    As for the siege system, the competition on the European servers is on an all-time low, guilds in NA are using mechanics to run-around silly and new mechanics that make it so that unchallenged guilds with a territory hardly ever participate in end game mechanics. Several guilds have given up their territory which is extremely silly. 
    As for our limited battlegrounds and the arena's we were supposed to get ages ago, we still do not have any of those and in the end this game performs absolutely trash when it comes down to PvP and the development team should act on this and provide changes that will be positive towards PvP. There is a significant part of the playerbase that purely plays for this aspect and it has only gone downhill lately.
  24. BDO may have it's flaws, but overall I think it's a great MMO that has improved in many ways and which I still enjoy a lot after playing it since release.
    Sadly however, I can't enjoy what this game has to offer to the fullest, because every new patch seems to bring even worse optimization to the game.
    Over time the last 6-7 months, this game is starting to become unplayable even on a high end rig with gtx 1080, i7 4700 @ 4.5ghz, SSD and 32gb ram in GvG fights.
    I see this same performance drop on my old pc which used to play the game smooth on medium-high settings 7 months ago, but now lags and stutters on lowest settings.
    Memory leaks, server lag on EU, random FPS drops over time, xigncode and coherentUI services which are eating up insane cpu reasources randomly for no reason and much more are some of the flaws building up.
    There are some small fixes found by players, like clicking X on the marketplace my items window, or simply just restart the game and PC until the game runs correctly without bugging out during startup due to 100% cpu usage from coherentui or xigncode bug, but it's not supposed to be the players job to try and fix the bad optimization for you.
    So I ask you kindly to consider getting your programmers together and fix your game so we can enjoy all this content that you have released, because it's a shame that we have to deal with this poor optimization when the game has so many other good things going for it. 
    TL;DR: I really love the game, but it would make everything more enjoyable if we got our FPS back, please.
  25. Post on optimize your game in General

    By Przemoboski, posted
    seriously kakao your game is trashly optimized for literally everyone, any end game content like node/siege wars, rbf, world bosses etc is a literal 10fps fest every time, even if you're running optimization mode with effects turned off.
    it is not enjoyable or even PLAYABLE with this kind of framerate, I really don't know how you could create content like this when the game engine, clearly cannot cope with it.
    give us some nice and drastic optimization update, thanks