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  1. Let's begin by stating that a controlled market only works for for high quantity, high demand resources. As most of us know some gear is often times High cost, Low demand. Lets take the DUO:Estique Shuriken for example, an item that has for a verrrry long time been minimum price and will never sell because it cannot go lower. This is the time when this controlled market concept fails, by not allowing the price to drop to mean the consumer price the items will eventually build up and still have no demand.
     
    Now the next issue i've often noticed in this game is, they make it difficult to sell for a loss for the sake of "Just getting rid of it" not having functions like this, (that other games have) makes it difficult to have a healthy supply and demand.
     
    My suggestion?
    Let the armor/accessory/weapons market run as a free market. Will things be chaotic for a while? Yes. Will many people make gigantic profit? Yes, will some of us make a giant loss? Yes. With a profession like trading in the game why can't I do a legitimate play of the market? Yes, you may think that the rich will keep getting richer and richer. However in all games if you play the market right, you'll be rich as well. Not only that but when players run the market, just about everyone wins. The players can control the buy and sell prices and things will have a true worth. Now I know some will say "This will make people sell less outfits since people will be making more" well guess what PA, you'll like this part because with your controlled market prices outfits will be jackshit cheap, value packs will be jackshit cheap (Unless you decide to scale their value through some complex algorithm.) But by doing that not only does PA make more money, we can make more money to get things in the game that matter more. Now some of you may ask. "What happens when people buy up everything in the controlled market?" Well that's what happens when a player based economy rolls in, there will be shortages which in turn drives prices up and down. Eventually the controlled market will need to go. But it should. It's better to have shortages and high prices than to have low prices and too much (especially in a controlled market where you can further drive down the cost to fix the issue)
    Lastly, if this is truly a controlled market it needs to be controlled more to remedy the issues we're seeing now, someone needs to check on the high quantity zero demand items (Red Nose Armors, Just about any Kuno/Ninja/Tamer gear, +15 armors) (which in turn helps new players get some better starter gear at a decent cost, and those who sell junk fail stack items get more purchases.) more often and drive the cost lower until people decide to buy them, then over time drive it back up to let us actually profit from the market.
     
    TL;DR I feel like that since this game was released towards a western market as well it should have more of our actual economic systems in place, or have the controlled market to have a bit more control in it to remedy the issues.
     
  2. So I had a horse up for sale on the market and then my friend said that they wanted it. So I went to cancel it from the queue on the market so I could put it back up when they were on. After canceling it, my horse disappeared. Is that supposed to happen or did I do something wrong?
  3. I along with many players want a better person to person trade system. I have a few thoughts i would like to share with you and get your options. With my Trade system players will be able to trade all gear and items. Weapons, armor, rings, food, fishing rods anything and everything! Now i know that hardest part of player to player trades is how do we make this a fair system. I have a pretty good answer to this (if you ask me  )
    We will use the Market Min Max system in trades. For example Player 1 uses World chat to say he is selling a Pri Ring of The Crescent Guardian. (Current market value NA Min:103,671,432 Max:126,709,528) Player 2 Says he will pay Max for the item. The two players set up a meeting place, and meet up in game. They open the trade window. Player 1 adds the Ring to the trade window. Players 2  trade button at the bottom becomes gray and unable to be clicked. Player 2 adds 1 1000g bar and 3 100g bars =130M. The Min price was met and the grayed trade button is now clickable for the trade to be completed! Both players are happy (no market RNG no pre-order buyouts!) Now i know the trend atm is offing pearls to make players want to trade items.
    So lets make pearls have a bigger role in BDO! Pearls will now have the ability to be traded!  Instead of (or with) silver and Gold bars! For Example 1000k pearls will be worth 100M (silver) player 1 wants to sell and Dandi Box. player 2 offers 3k pearls. They meet and trade. The pearls value is greater then the min price of a +0 dandi for his class. The trade is successful and both player and happy and no player was worried about getting scammed. Now BEFORE YOU ATTACK ME! Lets talk pearls and why. Many players and asking for pearls before a item is listed on the Market Place. I do not see that changing with the Silver Gold system i mentioned. Allowing players to trade pearls in place or with currency makes the players who want cash shop items for personal use happy and players who have spear pearls able to use them. WAIT HOLD YOUR FLAME P2W CRAP. Yes this makes and issue very apparent. People could pay 200-300$ and get full Tet gear. We could make pearls hold a value = to EST price per real currency I.G 2900 pearl outfit= 29$ therefor 100 pears =1$ (1000=10$) meaning 1K pearls = 10M and the rest be covered in gold bars or silver. Making player 2 come up with a majority of the cost to buy the item. OR pearls hold no value but can be trade in player to player. (I'm fine with any of these options)
    OR we could rid BDO of gifting entirely and make it so items can only be traded for silver and gold. Pearls can not effect value or trade. This would also open Market place pre-orders to not be so high on value items. Give me your thoughts and ideas lets come up with a system that is fair and makes players happy know that can 100% get that item they have been looking for and not with Bidding Pre-Order RNG.
  4. Hey there,
    As of the more recent patch with the t4/t5 horses being in the wild the market is kinda floaded with them and i would like to suggest that horses above tier 4 need to be lvl 15 to be able to sell so that its more spreaded instead of just every 2 min 4 new horses on de market because every one is catching horses instead of actual training. hope too hear from you guys.
  5. Im a beginner lvl at Alchemy and i want to be master as fast as possibel idc about money how would i go about power lvling to master (Dont be vague)
     

  6. So after months of bidding on specific items and loosing 100% of the time I began to think to myself, "How can we fix this punishing RNG system that doesn't reward dedicated players?" My answer, the same solution that enchanting uses, fail stacks. Now, I'm not saying there is a 100% fix, and bots are always going to be a huge problem, but I think this can work.
    The way it could work is that items with a given rarity or high demand, should have a bidding fail stack associated with them for a player's family. Each time a player looses a bid, their fail stack goes up, slightly increasing their odds of winning a future bid for that item. Just like enchanting, fail stacks for bidding will zero out with a successful win, regardless of purchase.
    So all this is great, but how do we stop whales who buy to buy and bots who never stop buying? Simple, a fail stack cool down or lockout could be implemented. For example, a Liverto weapon could have a week long cool down. On the flip side, Pearl items could support a cool down that simply locks a player out once they've won a bid on that specific item.
    In the end, a system like this would reward the people who play the game and put in the time to watch the markets for the items they want. Most of us just want that one item to enchant or a single costume to make a character. This would go a long way to help make the market place fun again as a lost bid isn't a loss of time.
  7. voila je narrive pas a acheter du blé. et quand il y en a un qui apparais il est vendu aussi tot. ca fait 2h que je suis posté comme un jambon ! j'ai alors fait un test, j'ai actualisé a répétition et au moment ou il est achetable il disparais aussi tôt a même pas 0,000001 la seconde. il est claire que c'est un bot. je demande au staff de résoudre les problème de bot sur le marché svp

    cette personne a laissé sont bot durant tout la nuit pour prendre tout pour lui.
  8. i need help finding all the calpheon city adventure journals! i found #1 just need help with the others plz help(send video or screen shot of the npc and  where your at on the map)
  9. i click bid and it says counting something and then show results and asks me if i wanna buy it and it says its already sold WTF??????????? how does this thing work and how should i use it?
  10. What towns do you feel are the best for a Base of Operations (BOO)? These are my observations so far, and I'd love to know more about towns that are coming soon (I'm only level 39, just got the game) to plan ahead where to store things and such.
    Velia: so far this seems like the most convenient base of operations. Storage and market are super close to each other, right by the water if you are afk fishing. Trade merchant is close for selling fish. You can set up your house very close to the chef for cooking. The town in general is small so everything is close together. Also, not as many players so less clutter.
     
    Heidel: Not terrible, but things are more spread out. It is quite a run between storage->market->trade. I haven't messed around with houses here to know how well you can organize that part. Seems super packed with players which also makes things congested (and probably laggy for some computers). 
     
    Calpheon: I just got here and omg its huge. I haven't explored it well yet but my concern about this place is all the services you need often are probably really spread out. Maybe I'm wrong?
     
    I guess one thing that might help with any of these places is if you have a maid and storage box in your house, as that would cover marketplace access and storage, right? Can you move them around if you decide to use a different city as your new BOO?
     
  11. To start with, it's probably been said before but let's say it again because nothing has been done about it. 

    Firstly, the market and buying "cheapest items first" requirement. I have nothing against needing to buy the cheapest listed items first. What I do have a problem with, is the fact that it factors in items still in the bidding phase, forcing you to constantly wait. This makes it really annoying and time consuming when you're trying to buy something and there are always more of that item coming into the market. (ie, relics and forbidden books)
    When you have to wait a minute to purchase 2 relics, and then wait another minute to purchase 1 or two more, and then wait again because more relics are always being listed, even though there are 12000 relics on the market at the moment, then there is something inherently wrong. As an example, I joined a 10x relic group, and had to sit at the market for over 10minutes just to purchase another 30 relics for 6 more scrolls because of this stupid requirement. Also, the recent patch that allows players to buy items close to the cheapest price does nothing to circumvent or help this problem. 

    Secondly, PLEASE FIX THE PRE-ORDER SYSTEM.
    My assumptions of the pre-order market, are: 
    You pre-order in a region (lets say Serendia), and whenever someone lists an item in that region, the system goes through everyone who pre-ordered in Serendia, and gives the item to the highest bidder. Now if no one pre-ordered in Serendia, it then checks the other regions, and if no one has pre-ordered the item in the other regions, then it will go into the free market where players can play the stupid lottery of a bidding system. (correct me if i'm wrong on this) 

    Now the thing is, I recently listed an item on the market for a friend whom i've known ever since the launch. We traveled to valencia because we thought it was region prioritized as i stated above, and we even waited an hour after he made his pre-order (because who knows if there is a stupid que timer for making a pre-order like there is for listing items). One hr later i added a notification on the item and listed it. Immediately, the notification that the item has been listed came up, but the one about it being purchased via pre-order never popped up. 15minutes later, it goes into the bidding phase, and we're just there scrambling, hoping that he would win the stupid lottery. Suffice to say, my friend did not get the item. 

    Now before anyone starts listing how it has worked for them, yes, I too have seen pre-order working for some people. I myself, obtained my bhegs gloves off the market via pre-order.
    But i've also seen it fail for others, and know that many of you have seen items that you've pre-ordered go into the bidding market even though you have already put up hundreds of millions to reserve it.

    Why even implement a system if it doesnt work ALL the time? Please fix it so that it can be exploited as it was designed to be, or remove it and force everyone to play the lottery. Because frankly, knowing that it's there and that it's broken, is worse than not having it.
  12. Why is it that an item like TRI Liverto Amulets are being sold for 252,xxx,xxx but the min list price is 258,xxx,xxx. Shouldn't the lowest listing price be equal to or less then the current lowest price? It makes no sense that I (or others) have to wait for a high ticket item to sell ( many of) or wait for them to all expire and try to relist later. If i want to under cut others to sell my items off sooner why can't I? It makes it feel like we have no control over the market and are stuck with a bad system. (i'm 1/2 salty i cant sell my items [i'm quiting sorc] with out going for tet [not happening] or dropping to duo just for a sale in a realistic time frame. I'm 1/2 concerned that we players have no control on how the market is operated. we would be able to undercut and drive prices up or down.)
  13. Post on Stage at Calpheon in General

    By Darkon, posted
    There is a new structure (or did I just notice) to the left of the marketplace on Calpheon? What's its purpose?
  14. Hi first to all.
    So if posible some on to put on market for RANGER ! Cavaro WEAPON & OUTFIT PREMIUM box i will be greatful !!!
    Becous to weit 7 Days is so Enoing , I steel weiting in  (EU) Surver so if some on make thise  dream come true i will like to give my silvers tnx . Till now i see so many people who post they Outfit's but aways for different classes ...
    So if some on read thise massage and  is ready to help and don't be a hater ore troller i wish to do it now tnx for the time !




  15. The current bidding system in BDO is broken.  Items sell out before all the bids are in sometimes and it like you never get a chance to click buy item without all of them being sold out already.  Can't we add an auto bid option that way we can go on playing the game and not having to sit at market and wait for item to be placed.  Or some type of dice rolling option or something.  I've literally have set and watched the market for 4 days now trying to buy a value pack but to no avail.  The system needs changed and fixed it's not a fair system in place.
  16. Hi, I have noticed pearl items don't follow the 10-15 minutes registration time normal items do. I have like 1 minute to bid for costumes or value packs, but I have noticed I never have the chance to even see pets on the market, how's that even possible? Do they dissapear in less than 1 minute?
  17. My problem is like this there are certain items that you want to sell on the market place and it's impossible to sell because the minimum price that you want to sell that item for is allot higher than the lowest price the same item has curently on the market , curios enough the minimum price you can sell that product is actually even higher than the maximum that you can see on the market. Minimum price you are able to sell and item should be equal with the lowest price that product has on the market. This is ridiculous , how are we supposed to sell our stuff.
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  18. Okay,
    Trying to sell my TRI Ult Bronze dagger for weeks now but it always seems that someone else is allowed to to register a lower price than mine. Currently My dagger is for around 123 mill but there are ones for 121 mill, I tried taking it off the market to register to a new low price but it wont let me, min price and min register price seem to be different. It will only register to Lowest minimum price not the lowest current price on the market which in my opinion seems a bit obscured? This way my dagger will ever sell as people will keep registering lower prices than mine...
  19. Pre-orders are not working either completely are only partially. 

    In this screenshot I placed a Preorder for Duo Red Coral Earring and the Earring was listed @ 2:50 AM EST

    the screenshot was taken at 3:01 EST

    On some items the Preorders seem to be working fine. On others, they do not work at all. 

    It has been debunked that Preorders only work for Preordering an item being Listed in the same Region.

    Can we either get some clarification on Preordering or Get this looked into please ?

    Also the item listed at 12 minutes instead of 15 ???? 

    Is this intended as well Item placed at 2:50 am 

    Listed to market at 3:02


    UPDATE

    Preorder is definitely broken on Duo Red Coral...

    Can anyone confirm they are broken on any other item. I have heard people saying they are not getting preorders on Nouver items also.
    would would an update be merged... ><
  20. Greets!  Here is a screenshot of the Nouver Kunai in the Black Market, but for over 25% increased cost rather than half the cost and what the market value is.
    I wanted to buy this but couldn't because of the overlooked pricing I believe.


     
     
  21. When trying to place preorders for some items (typically sold out items, which is why a preorde is needed)
     
    The reserved amount cannot be changed, and won't let you enter the price you want. You can only change the $. I've only seen this happen with high value items, like boss pieces which are out of stock (kind of the point of a preorder eh?)
     
    This is preventing the ability to preorder pieces of gear which are needed, ive tried scan and repair, multiple computers, and swapping regions to no avail including lowered my graphics
  22. With the new Bid system in Market Place and with the 3 server merge is near impossible to buy a item in market place. Personally i had 150 fail bids on item. So my suggestion is to put a fail-safe system as is on fail enchant item. For example on 10-20 fail bids you have increase chance for the next bid. What you think guys?
  23. How do you buy Premium Outfits on the market? Or should I ask, how does the process work?
    I selected "Bid" on a set, but then it didn't allow me to select an amount, then said "Bid Result" and I clicked, and was told that I "failed at purchasing the item."
    Do I have to be the first player to hit the bid button, or the first to hit bid result, or is it rng?
    Thanks!,
     
    -Some Rando Noob
  24. I want to set up a party of two members like,... I want the items that we collect, to move to the marketplace instead of our inventory. How to do this? It's a party in Sausan.
    Thank you.
  25. can you please un-bind pearl shop costumes bought before the update that allowed you to sell them? 
    As someone who bought some costumes just for their bonuses while waiting for one that i actually liked, i would like to sell the old costumes (ones bought before the update) that i don't want anymore, because as things stand, these items will just keep collecting dust in my inventory.
    i'm fine with a partial pearl refund too if it comes to that. Anything to do with them is better than nothing
    what do you guys think?