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  1. I think it's time to create one mega thread for the people that just keep repeating the same thing about p2w over and over.
  2. Post on NO p2w please... in Off-Topic

    By comedychris, posted
    Hi there ok so firstly sorry, this is my first post so it wont be pretty and it probably wont even be spelt correctly but here it goes.
     
    basically i'm here to appeal to other players and the Devs please dont ruin the game... ive only been playing 3 weeks but have been here for the introduction of value packs, more in game benefits available on pearl shop and now the ability to sell pearl items in market effectively selling silver for real money, this is so p2w and every week almost theres a new thing coming out to upset a vast amount of players, i see a lot of complaining in game, a lot of complaining on youtube and forums,  this one has over 210 thousand views.... so people are obviously bothered by this p2w road BDO is heading down.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuFymMM2ak&ab_channel=TheLazyPeon
     
    as well as this, there is an actual petition, https://www.change.org/p/daum-games-stop-daum-games-from-changing-blackdesertonline-to-pay-to-win-model-with-cash-shop-items-being-listed-on-the-market    that has been signed over 5000 times requiring an email name, adress etc and over 5000 people have signed it, as well as people not knowing about it there is also people that have already quit  before any change is made... by that logic i would confidently say this petition could easily get 10,000 or more signatures easily... therefor thousand of players either not quitting, coming back or trying out the game.
     
    ok just to finish.. i do love this game its just getting annoying p2w things every single week and the threat of more all the time makes playing stressful and makes players me at least lose faith in yet another mmo dev... please keep this game alive, i love the combat most mmos are terrible and the game is fun... theres very little i dont like and when coming out BDO promised to never be p2w for 3 months.. then... suddenly completely went against there words... its exactly like no mans sky.. i dont actually know how its legal to advertise and develop a game saying one thing and then completly reversing that.. is that not lying... is it not false advertisment??? either way... please just keep the game alive... people will play it for the mechanics and guilds and skills and boss's etc.. not for new costumes for sale £20 a go.... its silly and the amount of money from people buying the game months ago the Devs and publishers etc must have made money and are now doing things purely for greed.... please dont fall into the group of 20+ games that started good and went p2w and died... 
     
    sorry for the rant... take a look at the video and sign petition please...    thanks guys, take care and add me in game if you want.. although im a noob haha, cheers.
  3. Hi there ok so firstly sorry, this is my first post so it wont be pretty and it probably wont even be spelt correctly but here it goes.
     
    basically i'm here to appeal to other players and the Devs please dont ruin the game... ive only been playing 3 weeks but have been here for the introduction of value packs, more in game benefits available on pearl shop and now the ability to sell pearl items in market effectively selling silver for real money, this is so p2w and every week almost theres a new thing coming out to upset a vast amount of players, i see a lot of complaining in game, a lot of complaining on youtube and forums,  this one has over 210 thousand views.... so people are obviously bothered by this p2w road BDO is heading down.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuFymMM2ak&ab_channel=TheLazyPeon
     
    as well as this, there is an actual petition, https://www.change.org/p/daum-games-stop-daum-games-from-changing-blackdesertonline-to-pay-to-win-model-with-cash-shop-items-being-listed-on-the-market    that has been signed over 5000 times requiring an email name, adress etc and over 5000 people have signed it, as well as people not knowing about it there is also people that have already quit  before any change is made... by that logic i would confidently say this petition could easily get 10,000 or more signatures easily... therefor thousand of players either not quitting, coming back or trying out the game.
     
    ok just to finish.. i do love this game its just getting annoying p2w things every single week and the threat of more all the time makes playing stressful and makes players me at least lose faith in yet another mmo dev... please keep this game alive, i love the combat most mmos are terrible and the game is fun... theres very little i dont like and when coming out BDO promised to never be p2w for 3 months.. then... suddenly completely went against there words... its exactly like no mans sky.. i dont actually know how its legal to advertise and develop a game saying one thing and then completly reversing that.. is that not lying... is it not false advertisment??? either way... please just keep the game alive... people will play it for the mechanics and guilds and skills and boss's etc.. not for new costumes for sale £20 a go.... its silly and the amount of money from people buying the game months ago the Devs and publishers etc must have made money and are now doing things purely for greed.... please dont fall into the group of 20+ games that started good and went p2w and died... 
     
    sorry for the rant... take a look at the video and sign petition please...    thanks guys, take care and add me in game if you want.. although im a noob haha, cheers.
  4. Hi there ok so firstly sorry, this is my first post so it wont be pretty and it probably wont even be spelt correctly but here it goes.
     
    basically i'm here to appeal to other players and the Devs please dont ruin the game... ive only been playing 3 weeks but have been here for the introduction of value packs, more in game benefits available on pearl shop and now the ability to sell pearl items in market effectively selling silver for real money, this is so p2w and every week almost theres a new thing coming out to upset a vast amount of players, i see a lot of complaining in game, a lot of complaining on youtube and forums,  this one has over 210 thousand views.... so people are obviously bothered by this p2w road BDO is heading down.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuFymMM2ak&ab_channel=TheLazyPeon
     
    as well as this, there is an actual petition, https://www.change.org/p/daum-games-stop-daum-games-from-changing-blackdesertonline-to-pay-to-win-model-with-cash-shop-items-being-listed-on-the-market    that has been signed over 5000 times requiring an email name, adress etc and over 5000 people have signed it, as well as people not knowing about it there is also people that have already quit  before any change is made... by that logic i would confidently say this petition could easily get 10,000 or more signatures easily... therefor thousand of players either not quitting, coming back or trying out the game.
     
    ok just to finish.. i do love this game its just getting annoying p2w things every single week and the threat of more all the time makes playing stressful and makes players me at least lose faith in yet another mmo dev... please keep this game alive, i love the combat most mmos are terrible and the game is fun... theres very little i dont like and when coming out BDO promised to never be p2w for 3 months.. then... suddenly completely went against there words... its exactly like no mans sky.. i dont actually know how its legal to advertise and develop a game saying one thing and then completly reversing that.. is that not lying... is it not false advertisment??? either way... please just keep the game alive... people will play it for the mechanics and guilds and skills and boss's etc.. not for new costumes for sale £20 a go.... its silly and the amount of money from people buying the game months ago the Devs and publishers etc must have made money and are now doing things purely for greed.... please dont fall into the group of 20+ games that started good and went p2w and died... 
     
    sorry for the rant... take a look at the video and sign petition please...    thanks guys, take care and add me in game if you want.. although im a noob haha, cheers.
     
    EDIT
     
    OK been playing a few more days now... game is fantastic.. all those people telling me quit are stupid just because something isn't perfect you don't leave it...   boyfriends or girlfriends for example...   love the horse and pet system determined get 4 tier 4 dogs haha eventually... also love fishing.. and combat is million times better than wow or other tab targeting games... game definitely has p2w elements and the more I play the more I keep saying.. if I bought that it would be good or if I buy this it would be faster so there's definitely pay to advanced faster but I'm in no rush hopefully it doesn't get more p2w and they keep an eye on it and the game should stay pretty good.. excited for what comes next thanks for all the comments guys appreciate the conversation and various points made by people. Take care and have fun in game... 
  5. I am asking for help in a game suggestion,
    for an icon next to friends or guild members that shows Away-Yellow or active-green
     
  6. Herbal juice should be buyable from the General Good vendor like HP/Mana potions. The x amount of time it takes to gather weeds and herbs + the y amount of time to process all of it into Herbal Juice + the z amount of time to process the herbal juice into better herbal juice could be spent actually grinding silver and exp.
  7. Salut à tous,
    Aujourd'hui mercredi 21 septembre 2016 à 23h et quelques, moi Nutoboni aka ************* sur ********, ********** de profession, je prend la décision d'arrêter BDO.
    Après avoir beaucoup pleurer sur ce forum et tout autant whiteknight-ing, il est temps pour moi de prendre ma retraite anticipée.
    Je vais exposer les raisons de mon départ, vous pouvez donner votre avis mais c'est pas comme ci j'en avais quelque chose à faire.
     
    1- Le jeu est trop beau. Et oui, le jeu est trop gourmand pour mon pc et donc je dois jouer à 30fps constant. L'enfer...
    2- Le jeu est pas immersif. Et oui, comme beaucoup ont pu le remarquer on retrouve IG des éléments comme des tenues de marins du XXème siècle, des costumes avec de fausses ailes, des filles qui se battent en talons, des chevaux qui vont plus vite que des voitures et un berzerker qui utilise un canon à la place de sa main wtf ? 
    3- Il y a trop de contenu. Et oui, vous êtes en train de vous dire mékilékon il n'y a pas de contenu le pve est insipide blabla .. sauf que je suis désolé mais non. Entre l'élevage de chevaux, le grind infini, l'alchimie, la transfo, la récolte, les fermes et les vaches, les quêtes de guildes, les guildmates à PL, l'exploration de Valencia 2 et des îles, les rerolls à monter et j'en passe ... et bien je suis débordé et je ne sais plus quoi faire.. sauf que moi je joue pour faire quelque chose, logic is magic.
    4- Le gameplay est trop complexe. Et oui, moi qui suis habitué aux mmorpgs Tab Target, je me suis Ouah cool un jeu avec des combos de fou à faire au clavier et à la souris. Sauf qu'en fait c'est trop compliqué, je m'explique. Je joue ********* soit la classe la plus facile à jouer et honnêtement je n'arrive absolument pas à tuer des rangers ou des warriors, donc je comprends pas, classe facile =/ easy kill ? On m'a donc trompé sur la marchandise. Il faut en fait apprendre à s'adapter, enchaîner correctement certains combos et bien viser. Et bien c'est trop compliqué, je retourne sur du tab target, je veux m'amuser pas faire des efforts.
    5- Il y a trop de monde In Game. Et oui, on m'a dit BDO c'est mort laisse tomber, pas de soucis pour moi c'est quoi le serveur le plus mort ?, Croxus qu'on m'a dit. Donc moi naturellement je suis allé sur Croxus, et bien grosse déception. Il y a trop de joueurs sur chaque sous serveur, je voulais jouer tranquillement avec des spots gratuits et bien on vient toujours me casser les couilles, on a même des canaux Crowded ! Moi je voulais jouer solo, je me suis bien fait avoir.
    6- C'est un jeu d'assisté pour cas sociaux. Et oui je m'explique, moi je suis un hardcore gamer, je veux en chier pour jouer et appréhender un jeu. On m'a dit Tu vas voir BDO c'est hardcore, quand tu commences tu comprends rien, il y a plein de truc cachés. Donc moi j'étais tout fou, après avoir jouer à FFXIV un gros jeu pour casu attardé mentaux j'étais refait. Sauf que grosse déception encore une fois, il y a trop de guides sur internet.
    7- Des animations trop travaillés. Et oui, quand on voit un trailer de BDO on se dit Putain c'est grave bien fait, quand le gars il se bat on s'y croirait trop. Sauf que oui. On s'y croit trop et on ne fait plus la distinction entre virtualité et réalité, Welcome criminalité. Je préfère finalement les animations balais dans le cul dont j'avais l'habitude.
    8- La courbe de croissance est trop longue. Et oui, trop d'expérience requis pour monter de niveau. Je suis désolé mais je veux les choses tout de suite. On est plus en 2000 où il fallait 3 ans pour être niveau max. Les développeurs me prennent pour un con et je ne pourrais jamais être 62.
    9- Une communauté trop toxique. Et oui, notamment sur le forum officiel. il y a beaucoup trop de gens qui racontent leur vie ou donne leur avis sur tout mais je suis désolé, on s'en fout.
    10 - Les youtubers ne jouent plus.Et oui, étant un grand homme de ma génération j'aime Youtube. Je suis beaucoup de monde, notamment des youtubers gaming. Et qu'est ce que je constate ? Qu'il ne joue plus à BDO. Je suis désolé mais si je ne peux plus regarder des vidéos du jeu auquel je joue, et bien je ne joue plus.
     
    Voilà, c'est tout.
    Je quitte par la même occasion le forum, ça fera plaisir à certains. Dans le fond je suis sympa.
    J'espère aider les nouveaux venus.

     
  8. http://www.geekzone.fr/2016/06/23/mmo-black-desert-online-cancer-free-to-play/
     
    Juste assez pour en degoute plus d un sur ce " jeu"
  9. Please have a Stat to show us what the true AP-DP numbers are, like an buffed stat.
    Meals give x we see ? notta
    guilds can have 5 ap but again could be a hoax
    black crystal gem give 5 each but with 3 or 4 no change. 
    I would like to see this happen, been here since March and like the game but rather like to see what is already apparently in game
     @CM_Aethon @GM_Dew @GM_Gemu  @CM_Tytyes 
    @PM_Jouska 
    Please Guys, see if you can kick it upstairs as a request 
  10. Post on How exactly BDO is P2W in Off-Topic

    By Ikcen, posted
    Feel free to answer.
  11. With the frequent discussions around Pay-to-Win:
    1. Should Bonus Combat Stats be REMOVED from Costumes? Why or Why not?
    2. Do you believe content should be placed behind paywalls? What types of content? Why or Why not?
     
    Although the slow power creep on pearl shop items is making me nervous -- others may love it. Between you No-Lifers and you Credit-Card Warriors -- why do you favor one over the other?
  12. So sinse now you can buy costumes in the marketplace will the fishing and camouflage costumes will also be available to buy in the marketplace? Those things are seriously OP and im tired of being a slow ass in water or getting Pked by idiot i cannot find because they are weaking the camo thing.
  13. Post on BDO P2W ? in General

    By MTM, posted
    Hi, I participated in the 1st Beta and now I would like to purchase a copy to see how far the game went.
    Just to make sure, has this game got some items that are considered P2W (Pay to Win) ??
    I'm not talking about the +XP or +Gold stuff, instead I'd like to know if I can buy weapons and armors already max leveled up or some items that can give me invincibility and all types of other items that makes the paying user an elite killing machine when fighting a normal user that just bought the game.
    (Also I'm from Italy, so if you can answer in Italian, it would be better, thanks)
  14. I implore daum/kakao, please place some form of account limitation to buying 5 pearl items on marketplace PER month PER account, that way people would have more of a chance to purchase things such as value packs and pets, which i have desperately been attempting to grab since the initial release of the pearl marketplace. If this does not suit your liking because of the recent controversy about your thoughts, Please add some form of NPC which sells pearl items at double the marketplace price, That would allow players to spend double or even triple the original price to have a confirmed purchase because they're unable to swipe their credit card.
  15. Post on R.I.P motivation in General

    By Ozymandias, posted
    I just uninstalled...  I was keeping track of all the resources I was using and what I was using them for on a spreadsheet of sorts. I just went to update it after failing to tri my mainhand again haha. I looked at what I've spent just trying to get a single weapon to tri and did a double take.... >.< 87 concentrated weapons.... 72 hours of grinding, 16 hours actively involved in life skills, (a difficult to define number of hours afk lifeskilling), another 24 hours afk lifeskilling and a metric tonne of stress over the course of five weeks (mind you the time I am referring to encompasses only what was required to acquire the resources in order to attempt to tri my weapons). Both my ninja and my wizard are in the range of stacks needed to begin attempting to tet ( 76 and 64 respectively) and I didn't even come out with a single tri weapon to console the nagging suspicion that I might have just been wasting time. There's also school which just means even if I had the mental fortitude (perhaps insanity would be a better trait to contribute this to lmao) to continue throwing hours of effort into this without fruition, I just don't have the time to try. This wouldn't necessarily be an issue, but the thing that got me thinking was that somewhere, there was a casual with similar time restrictions on their hands who spent 120 dollars each week while I spent time and got the same resources and whether they succeeded or failed, they got all that I got without lifting a finger. 
    I may not quite be quitting, but I'm taking an indefinite hiatus. I still want to keep track of the game through awakenings, but I also don't have the patience to stick along for the ride to the detriment of my grades while uncertain of any real progress and with months to wade through before any classes I want to play get their awakenings.

    The reason I chose to uninstall specifically is because I recently realized that playing was more addictive than fun. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing though. I have done lots of things to satisfy an addiction that I probably wouldn't do while outside of the mindset haha. Grinding for hours felt obligatory means to ATTEMPT to gain goals that I felt inclined to reach, not like an enjoyable way to get something else enjoyable as a reward for my time.  I might be back depending on the direction the devs take and also depending on how the wizard awakening plays out.
    I should not diminish the impact of the recent pay to win issues and lack of transparency and communication from the developers has had on this decision. Pre-beta, there was SO much community to dev interaction that it was re-freshening to think this game might take a different direction than other western releases of eastern mmos. It seems something changed along the lines because now there appears to be active suppression of dissent and a irresponsible lack of addressing of core issues that many of the game's community brings up. That is greatly missed.
    What I hope will come of this thread:
    I hope that someone will read this and take heed, one random guy leaving might not mean very much (regardless how much I was or wasn't spending on the game monthly), but if mine, and several other extra large scale guilds have quit in a similar fashion, the impact of this WILL be significant. MMOs appeal to people because of the player interaction. These people didn't pay for your obscenely priced costumes and horse skill change coupons because they wanted to look fancy in a world all their own. The reason guilds begin to crumble when some people leave is the same reason you should be concerned about the several other threads detailing similar stories. Those guilds are a microcosmic representation of what one might expect from a server. The issue isn't RnG, people signed up for that, it's RnG with obscurely inconsistent rules in a world where people can pay to win. RnG normally is just a bottle necking tool, but in a world with pay to win, it becomes a tool to herd players into the cash shop and we aren't oblivious to that. The pool of people with the patience to deprive themselves of other pleasures in order to be competitive becomes much thinner when you introduce the stipulation that being competitive means 140 dollars monthly. Sure, there will be people who are willing to spend that money, but what you miscalculate is that modern economic theory has passed simple supply and demand after seeing it didn't properly account for the behavior of the economy. If player interaction in a competitive environment is a commodity that attracts your player base to the game, then simply price gouging people till they are no longer willing to pay to be competitive won't maintain for you the optimal flow of money because as people who aren't willing to pay to be competitive leave, the ones who are willing to will have fewer people to compete with. 
    Happy hunting BDO community and Kakao, it was nice... to an extent
  16. Hello,
    Since last change in the way Interior Points are calculated, the Specialities Nodes available when you reach House Rank 1 is no more available or achievable without pearl shop items in few places, mainly the numerous few-houses places (Elda Farm, etc). This made this part of game locked behind a pay wall.
    Only one reason to this change:
    -Duplicate items are not accounted for anymore
    -Except for Pearl Shop Items... (!?wtf?!)
    So, before this change any non-pearl player could still "fight" somehow (jukeboxes), and not anymore.
    My questions are:
    -Is it considered some kind of anomaly or not?
    -Is there any "fix" to see in the near future about this?
    Proposals:
    - Apply the rule of non-duplicate also to PS items, and let donate players exchange their PS Items for Pearls, if necessary only for a period of time (1month?)
    - AND/OR let Decoration Pearl Shop Items be available via marketplace like Costumes
  17. Post on I'm about to quit in General

    By judeau7, posted
    Hello, i just reached end game yesterday and my guild asked me to join them in node wars. We got completely massacred by a single player alone. Just to find out that the guild is notorious for having p2w players. Now, i thought i did a good amount of research and that this game wasn't p2w, but apparently one of the guilds that dominates the server is full of players who dish out tons of real cash to get the absolute best gear/stuff.
    Where does that leave me? I spent over $100 during the first month i played, and all these little things are starting to annoy me. For example the dye system! I was getting ready to quit by this alone. I couldn't understand how much money i needed to dish out to dye my characters $32 armor  alone. And i thought mervs would fix it, but i was wrong. If you already dyed the armor with dye you own, you need to spend money on bleach (20 bucks to just bleach my set of armor). I dyed my armor before mervs pallet released... and i used the bleach from the loyalty shop on my alt toon so i couldn't fix up my main without spending more money. So instead of buying something like functions or pets i just wasted it on bleach...
    The thing that turns me off the most though is that by the time i finally reach that milestone to get to where everyone else is, they will be another mile ahead of me. And this game is mostly about PVP? I'm already getting burned out by all the little things i have to do to try to keep up. AFK walk, str, eat every 30 mins(just heard they increased the cap to 50!). I don't even understand the conversation system with npcs in game and i honestly am not even interested in doing that little mini game with every npc... And the NPC voices are absolutely terrible! I really don't like listening to them talk! I wish i could hear it in another language even korean/japanese...
     
    Another thing i don't like is that there is no immediate game mode where players are balanced out for a skill orientated game like a capture the flag mode where everyones skill is adjusted to just have fun. The only way for me to even compete in pvp is to just burn my life and money, and like i said by the time i reach there others are gonna be a hundred times stronger, i just stopped playing today because i'm thinking how am i going to get to the top when everyone else will just become stronger than before. I'm not loaded with money, i'm a janitor that makes terrible pay for a living. I asked people how much gold i need to even compete, and if 500 million was enough (was getting ready to spend real money to get there), then people said "yea for one piece." Idk if that was a joke or if they are being serious... I don't want to spend 10 hours a day to make ~10mil everyday (which is nothing especially because of the RNG).
     
    The last thing i want to say (just joking) is that i didn't know the max durability of my armor decreased every time  i tried to enhance it, and i spent like 20-30 black stones before realizing that it wont work because the durability was at 20/20. So i literally just burned my millions on fire without noticing it, and then i had to spend more millions to just recover the max durability. Maybe place a big notification that it wont work because of this would help, or even flat out don't allow the enhancement to work if your durability is too low. I was warned in the chatlog... It just became tedious and frustrated me. Spending over 80 black stones on my grunil armor to get it to +10 and my helm to +8. I dont want to even imagine how to get the best armor in game...
     
    Sorry if i sound like i'm crying! I guess i'm still new despite reaching end game, but i'm just trying to look for some hope because i dont see myself having fun with this game until i get the best armor to be able to have a fair fight or chance against people who have been here long before me, and i might reach burnout before then. This is coming from someone who played final fantasy 11 before they made it easy during it's last dying days. I told myself i would never play another game like final fantasy 11 when it finally died...
     
    I'll try to play this game for a few more weeks to see how i feel, but so far i'm pretty sure i'll never catch up with everyone before i burn out. I wish i played when it first came out because i bet everyone was pretty equal or didnt have huge advantages. I'm just afraid i'm wasting my time for nothing because like i said by the time i catch up to where people are right now everyone else will be miles ahead... 
    I liked games that allow me to get some early pvp in like world of warcraft or guild wars 2 because while im trying to get the best armor/gear i can have fun with the pvp until i get there. I also learn how to use my class when i get early pvp in because just being tossed into pvp without knowing how to fight everyone despite watching and reading my classes guide is overwhelming. In other mmos i have played you are eased into it with the pvp, but in this game i really have to get good gear then study how classes work. I think a game mode (not the open world pvp) where players can queue and just have fair fights would help me adjust but maybe thats why everyone bought this game to use and show off the armor they worked hard on. 
    Thanks for reading! 
  18. Ok so I am pretty sure that the amount of money that Daum Games, Kakao, or WHATEVER made is pretty high after this Pearl to Marketplace feature was introduced to the game... I mean think about all the outfits and pets that we've seen posted day in and day out... note that each outfit is roughly 30$ a piece and pets around 8$ or 9$.
    Now multiply that by three for each NA server...
    Where is the money going??
    cause certainly it is not being put into creating a better, smoother, epitome of a MMORPG game.
    These servers are insanely unstable and it is absolutely absurd... 
    Guys UPVOTE THIS.
    We have already dealt with the "p2w" addition to our game and its like they are just using the money to live large without putting our money to get some programmers or update servers...
    Can we have that at least?
    Is it so hard to ask for some of the money after this Pearl To Marketplace introduction be put into some stable server upgrades. 
    I mean you have the money to do it and pay some actual DEVELOPERS AND PROGRAMMERS to be able to balance correctly, make the game more stable, and SERVER UPGRADES. 
    We Deserve this my fellow Black Desert Players. If you agree.. make this post seen. 
    Thank You 
    GG, iGcGi
    Thanks For Reading =D
     
  19. Current system is pretty unclever. Makes everybody wish to trade costumes as they will get more silver with them.

    Instead if you set a fixed amount of pearls a week, people would sell more pets and value packs. 

    Also as i wrote in another suggestion timer for shop items to appear in marketplace after listed should be modified to be AT LEAST one minute, so people have the chance to change character to bid for it, marketplace camping will only make people leave the game.
     
    Please start testing things before releasing them.

     
  20. (20/08/2016 : Preface : I wrote this one year on 4/03/2016 and posted it on the forums, i think it was deleted. I apologise for not being able to inform all of you of my predictions, alas the moderators abused their power and shut my opinion down before i could save any of you)
     
    (1 year ago at launch or a day before launch i wrote the following on these forums)
    OK EVERYONE CALM DOWN I PRESSED RIGHT CLICK THEN PROPERTIES ON THE WORD DOC THE DATE I MADE THIS WAS 4/03/2016
    Need i remind you all of Archages launch, where everything was perfect, where the gm's and what-not would be involved with the community asking them for input etc.
    Then perhaps i should remind you all what happened 3 months after that *golden era*, how quickly the devs turned 180, stopped all communication, and then pumped out P2W items like no tomorrow. 
    Now get ready for the worst part where i list a number of observations:
    1. In Korea Black Desert uses a F2P cash shop. In NA Black Desert publisher relies on Korea publisher for content update. This includes updates on it's F2P cash shop which is P2W. 
    2. They have crucial gameplay items that cannot be obtained in-game behind a paywall at release. (pets with bonuses, costumes with bonuses (eg: ghillie suit))
    3. The original price for a costume was 2,900 pearls. They gave out 2,500 pearls via conq package. The 'expensive' package that people with money buy, and hey, what's spending an extra $10 to get that sweet sweet 2,900 pearl costume to these heavy spenders? amiright. In other words, they're leeching. The game hasnt even launched yet.
    4. Inventory space. When you started the game you said to yourself, 'man i need more inventory space'. Then quests came in increasing it, you became happier and happier and then you realized that you can only unlock 55 spaces and the remaining 130 or so slots are behind a paywall. You know why? It's because the first time a player says, 'man i need more space', if they are the spender type we all know what they're gonna plop a good $20 bucks on, right then and there, maybe before they even hit level 15. 
    5. Weight. 400 weight is behind a paywall.
    6. Dyes. These are perfect for a P2P game. But hey, they screwed it up by making the whole process RNG based. Which leads to the worst of them all:
    7. RNG DYE BOXES: Do you know what it takes to change these boxes in the code to say... instead of giving dye maybe give you game breaking items? Not much. The RNG boxes that ruined Archeage boys, here it is in it's DYE TESTING STAGE. Who knows, maybe in 3 months we'll have Stone boxes, armor boxes? weapon boxes? Christmas boxes for that 0.1% chance reindeer mount skin aye, oi and this mount can be sold on the market for 50 mill. Woop woop. 
    I'm just putting out some observations. I'm not implying the game is P2W, nor am i implying the game is not P2W. I'm just saying, these points are interesting, for a P2P game that is. 
    (How to go completely in the opposite direction, implementing the following will give your game such a positive boost in the gaming community your sales will forever go up)
    If any devs read this,
    RNG boxes that give unfair items or advantages was one of the biggest things that broke Archeage. Just thought i'd point that out. 
    So basically 
    (this is present me speaking in bold/italics again, just thought i'd point how they implemented all these things i told them not to do lol)
    1. never sell mystery boxes of any kind, we can live with dyes, but that's still pushing it. People have a negative perception on mystery boxes, the first mystery box they see in your game they WILL remember archeage, i guarantee it, and suddenly the numbers will start dropping. 
    2. If you implement a new crazy mount or w/e let it be earn-able in-game. 
    3. Let some vanity costumes with no buff be earnable in-game. I dont want to see my level 50+ friends running around looking like the level 5 plebs. 
    4. Reduce the prices of every thing on the store by 20-50%. Indefinitely. Things like costumes should be 1,5k-2k. Their should be costumes earnable in-game that dont look like barf. 
    5. You see those pets on the marketplace? Get rid of all of them and put them around the world behind quests/achievements/hidden areas. Revamp pet breeding to accommodate this system so the pets you get can never disappear, but be fused into higher tiers somehow. "Oh but the conq people, what about their 'free' pets? easy. Let them keep but also dye their pets to any color they want (implement pet dyeing cause you guys already have pink flamboyant berserkers, a pink hawk would hardly make a difference)
    6. The word RNG, write it on a piece of paper and stick it onto a target dummy infront of your building, make it compulsory that every employee throws a throwing knife at it as they enter the building. The employee that can shred the paper gets a pay rise for his skill in saving your game.
    7. Berserkers aren't good at anything except spinning. 
    8. Blader, Ninja etc where are they? No they are not too asian. That reason is absurd, you know it, i know it, everybody with half a brain knows it. Implement them already. 
    There is probably more but this is all i could think of off the top of my head. 
  21. Post on You got nailed in General

    By 2Cents, posted
    Perfect Explanation
    I'm not sure if this specific video was linked (as many where), but it's perfectly nails the situation.  The sad part is everything is so obvious, yet it's another situation where a lot of people don't get it.  That includes Pearl/Kak.  As everyone likes to point BDO is a company DURPPP!  Therefore they need to do everything possible to maximize profits.  Except NOPE!  Bad publicity like this and unsettling your customers isn't necessarily going to net you the biggest results.
    This video alone has over 42,000 views.  Companies can't hide like they used to.  With social media, youtube, speech programs, etc the word will get out.
    If you think everything has calmed down and it's fine now, ....... wrong.  100's of articles and videos like this will linger for months even years to deter people from buying BDO and rightfully so.
    If it aint broke don't fix it.  They already had successful sales exceeding expectations.  This just wasn't necessary and it's really hard to argue any of the points.
    BDO is a great game, it deserves better than this!
  22. Hey all!
    I have played the game from start and loved it. The graphics, the combat and the various skill leveling such as Horse training, fishing etc, its brilliant. The down fall of this game has however kept coming closer and closer for a while (obviously my own opinion) as at starts the updates came at such a rapid pase the people who did not have 24/7 access to the game fell far behind and could not be competitive in the games "end game" pvp. As there was very little else to do then pVp (which i love) or raisng your skills such as leveling horses to sell and hope to be able to save up silver and get lucky on the broker to get a Liverto for example. I had never the chance really to go farm bosses as i have a job and family, so my game became more or less a constant chase to keep up (which was impossible) the levels and gear.
    Once i got the +14-15 gear finally the boss armour hit the markets and as drops, i had already exhausted my resources as in silver and crafting items to get +15 and now there was some people that on day one or two had boss armour and again i was not competitive at all.. i think i had around 2-3 days of actual pvp that was ok altho i hadn't got the jewels i needed yet but just the weapon and armour to +14-15. so, again it was just back to the grind again while some with no jobs had a huge upper hand again as they could farm bosses and loot while other as myself had to resort to horse training or afk fishing. The update kept coming with +20 and new jewels, i felt like as soon as i got to 80% gear there was a update that put me down to 30% again. I never got to the 100% to be competitive.
    Then "p2w" was introduced, i myself didn't see it as p2w tbh but more like p2 be competitive, but that was before i seen the prices for the broker gear, 19kk if you spend 30 euro.. that would mean you would have to spend around 600 euro to get a decent weapon if all you did was use money and broker. To my shock some people actually resorted to selling outfits, which still to this time is a mindboggler to me... 
    So, where is the game now... well, you can still be a person with no job or family and be king of the hill or you can spend insane amounts of real money and also climb up the same hill. The rest of average people in the middle can basically just pack up now and move on, which is the option i will likely take. The game has become trash for normal people, the RNG kills any chance of upgrades as once you hit duo you need to farm up around 200kk silver for a full circle of degrading your gear to pri only to bring one piece up to tri.. unless you are ofc very lucky, which i have not been. So, if you dont have that much time 200kk will take a long long time to get so you end up essentially like me, leveling horses for 2 weeks straight, to sell them for 30kk-40kk which you then use to try to get some cheap items on night vendor to upgrade gear. however, thats so slow that when i will finally get a tri item, ill still be rubbish as not only will all my other gear be back to pri, but even a tri weapon is old now. So, BDO, as much as i loved the game and as much as i wish i could be part of the pvp fun, my time or my money just does not allow it... but im sure some of you will be able to get a nice new horse from me
    to end i want to just make a suggestion. well  a few suggestions and those are.
    1: Get rid of RNG or at least allow force enhancement with less enhancement items such as black stones or greater blackstones. same thing for jewels, allow for upgrades wit no RNG or allow to force with for example 2 rings for pri, 3 rings for duo, 4 rings for tri etc.
    2: Make a level cap. And allow mobs that are higher level to give enough EXP to get to cap without weeks of grinding. Cap at 60 for example and make valencia mobs 55 to 60 and allow for the EXP to be such that reaching 60 isn't as much or a  grind as i has been.
    3: Develop a variety of PVP zones. e.g 1v1 2v2 5v5 or guild war arenas. All areas should be instance so no running away can happen.  
    4: PVP rewards such as tradable items to which you can trade items such as cash shop items or loyalty items. Weapon skins, armour skins, mount skins etc. Notice i said skins, not god mode weapons etc. Add unique PVP titles such as military ranks with the highest ranking player on server being general or something similar that he would have to fight to keep, lower ranks can have more number of players allowed to carry the title such as captains etc. or Unique bdo titles but one being the highest, the king of the server title so to say. This could be updated weekly.
    5: Develope some pve endgame. For example, the castles you have on maps, stick some mobs in them and allow for a instance to be done in them, open up a few caves and stick some interesting mechanics and a boss mobs in them. Instead of just having rednose and bheg etc spawn on various times. Make this a MMORPG. You will have a whole new set of people joining and that equals more revenue for you and more fun for us.
    6: Let people be more equal, that was more people will play the game, having things like time to win or pay to win models kills games. Look at WoW or Lotro for example, old old old games but still making money from a loyal group of players. You could be even better then them as your game is better, but the way its going now you will soon only have a few jobless people and some rich/stupid people left, and they will, just like me, leave the game once another comes along. So why not try to make this THE game it can be. Allow us all to enjoy it. I know these will be flames about casual and hardcore ble ble ble.. but at the end of the day, this is not a hardcore game, its easy.. but you need time or money to compete. Let ot be fun, and you will still make your money as much more people will play it.
     
    Anywa, thats it for my rant.I hope we can have a debate on how to save this game and allow yourself to keep enjoying it without just flaming, but im guessing that might be hoping for to much. Now, back to horse training...
    Morbid.
     
  23. I know it's something that only the Pearl Abyss can do.. but.. Come on! Selling cash itens inside the marketplaces isn't the best system, MMOs like Guild Wars 2 and Blade and Soul, already proved the best way to implement this kind of system is selling/trading the CASH/Pearl directly to the players and this inside the Black Desert is EASY to do.

    Just let the players sell the pearl boxes inside the game, using the same controlling method for the NA B2P version, were you can sell 5 boxes peer week and maintain the same prices. 

    a 3.000+200 pearl box will be around 25.000 silver. 

    Would make the system a lot better, instead the actual system were is impossible to you buy exacly what you want because minor cash itens like glasses, aren't viable to sell because the profit

    .-.

    Thank you. <3
  24. Post on What is trust? in General

    By MoZex, posted
    You don't need to agree. It's just an opinion and i like what he has to say...
    What do you think?