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  1. With the new update coming and the hype suggesting that cp increases through cooking will be again nerfed or even removed like other regions...
    Is the intention for players involved with lifeskills to now have to buy the storage expansions for cities and completely rely on them to be involved in this aspect of the game? There will be no other way to increase cp after this once the patch hits.
    Doing a hundred quests now might give... 2 cp? Its about 2500 items of cooking to get 1cp atm through scraps.
    Stop it! Seriously, its just annoying.
    Asking players to just pay $500 upfront to unlock the aspects of lifeskilling would be more honorable then this. This is just nickling and diming everyone to death.
  2. Post on Disable pearl gifting in General

    By Misaka, posted
    @PM_Jouska, @CM_Aethon, @CM_Praballo, @CM_Yukimura, @CM_Serenity, @GM_Gemu, @GM_Rhotaaz
    Now days on EU servers its almost impossible to buy any boss gear, T6 and above horses without spending 50-100euros on gifting pearls to the sellers.....
    let me give you some examles:
    "WTS TET sorc weapons dande/kzarka. Pearls for chance, don't care about successful transaction"
    "WTS nouver/kutum/kzarka box for pearls"
    "WTS T8 B - 15 Skills (6/7 for T9 Awakening) - Pearls" (asked the person wanted 15k pearls)
    Let me ask you this: Was the idea of pearl shop gifting to turn this game into something where you cannot purchase any of the above mentioned items without paying real life money to the seller?
    The gifting option has now achieved that. 
    Disable gifting from pearl shop or add some limits to it, such as cannot gift to other people than who are in your guild or something.
    The current state of the game cannot be healthy for it on the long run.
     
  3. I don't understand, this game is not free to play, why there are items like this in the shop:

    "Reset Skill Items" by the name of Partial Combat Skill Reset, All Combat Skill Reset and Awakened Skill Reset
    Suggestion: Remove it and add a "Skill Page System" instead where we can purchase extra pages in Cash Shop. Allowing us to switch skill trees on the fly for any occasion be it PvE or PvP for example.
     
    "Avatar Costumes" with status all of them.
    Suggestion: Remove the Status and adjust the price accordly. Like deduct 10€ from all purchases, since sets cost between 20€ to 30€ with an extra weapon skin.
     

     I though by buying the game we would not need such things has this 2 in the Cash Shop. I'm sure that anyone that strives for balance and sportsmanship agrees that we don't need this 2 types of items in the game.

    This two items comprise heavily this game in not making it to the eSports or making all players on equal ground, I think, correct me if I'm wrong.

    PS: Prices and Numbers can and should be adjusted according to how Dev's see fit, I'm not implying anything.
  4. Post on NO p2w please... in Off-Topic

    By comedychris, posted
    Hi there ok so firstly sorry, this is my first post so it wont be pretty and it probably wont even be spelt correctly but here it goes.
     
    basically i'm here to appeal to other players and the Devs please dont ruin the game... ive only been playing 3 weeks but have been here for the introduction of value packs, more in game benefits available on pearl shop and now the ability to sell pearl items in market effectively selling silver for real money, this is so p2w and every week almost theres a new thing coming out to upset a vast amount of players, i see a lot of complaining in game, a lot of complaining on youtube and forums,  this one has over 210 thousand views.... so people are obviously bothered by this p2w road BDO is heading down.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuFymMM2ak&ab_channel=TheLazyPeon
     
    as well as this, there is an actual petition, https://www.change.org/p/daum-games-stop-daum-games-from-changing-blackdesertonline-to-pay-to-win-model-with-cash-shop-items-being-listed-on-the-market    that has been signed over 5000 times requiring an email name, adress etc and over 5000 people have signed it, as well as people not knowing about it there is also people that have already quit  before any change is made... by that logic i would confidently say this petition could easily get 10,000 or more signatures easily... therefor thousand of players either not quitting, coming back or trying out the game.
     
    ok just to finish.. i do love this game its just getting annoying p2w things every single week and the threat of more all the time makes playing stressful and makes players me at least lose faith in yet another mmo dev... please keep this game alive, i love the combat most mmos are terrible and the game is fun... theres very little i dont like and when coming out BDO promised to never be p2w for 3 months.. then... suddenly completely went against there words... its exactly like no mans sky.. i dont actually know how its legal to advertise and develop a game saying one thing and then completly reversing that.. is that not lying... is it not false advertisment??? either way... please just keep the game alive... people will play it for the mechanics and guilds and skills and boss's etc.. not for new costumes for sale £20 a go.... its silly and the amount of money from people buying the game months ago the Devs and publishers etc must have made money and are now doing things purely for greed.... please dont fall into the group of 20+ games that started good and went p2w and died... 
     
    sorry for the rant... take a look at the video and sign petition please...    thanks guys, take care and add me in game if you want.. although im a noob haha, cheers.
  5. Hi there ok so firstly sorry, this is my first post so it wont be pretty and it probably wont even be spelt correctly but here it goes.
     
    basically i'm here to appeal to other players and the Devs please dont ruin the game... ive only been playing 3 weeks but have been here for the introduction of value packs, more in game benefits available on pearl shop and now the ability to sell pearl items in market effectively selling silver for real money, this is so p2w and every week almost theres a new thing coming out to upset a vast amount of players, i see a lot of complaining in game, a lot of complaining on youtube and forums,  this one has over 210 thousand views.... so people are obviously bothered by this p2w road BDO is heading down.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuFymMM2ak&ab_channel=TheLazyPeon
     
    as well as this, there is an actual petition, https://www.change.org/p/daum-games-stop-daum-games-from-changing-blackdesertonline-to-pay-to-win-model-with-cash-shop-items-being-listed-on-the-market    that has been signed over 5000 times requiring an email name, adress etc and over 5000 people have signed it, as well as people not knowing about it there is also people that have already quit  before any change is made... by that logic i would confidently say this petition could easily get 10,000 or more signatures easily... therefor thousand of players either not quitting, coming back or trying out the game.
     
    ok just to finish.. i do love this game its just getting annoying p2w things every single week and the threat of more all the time makes playing stressful and makes players me at least lose faith in yet another mmo dev... please keep this game alive, i love the combat most mmos are terrible and the game is fun... theres very little i dont like and when coming out BDO promised to never be p2w for 3 months.. then... suddenly completely went against there words... its exactly like no mans sky.. i dont actually know how its legal to advertise and develop a game saying one thing and then completly reversing that.. is that not lying... is it not false advertisment??? either way... please just keep the game alive... people will play it for the mechanics and guilds and skills and boss's etc.. not for new costumes for sale £20 a go.... its silly and the amount of money from people buying the game months ago the Devs and publishers etc must have made money and are now doing things purely for greed.... please dont fall into the group of 20+ games that started good and went p2w and died... 
     
    sorry for the rant... take a look at the video and sign petition please...    thanks guys, take care and add me in game if you want.. although im a noob haha, cheers.
  6. Hi there ok so firstly sorry, this is my first post so it wont be pretty and it probably wont even be spelt correctly but here it goes.
     
    basically i'm here to appeal to other players and the Devs please dont ruin the game... ive only been playing 3 weeks but have been here for the introduction of value packs, more in game benefits available on pearl shop and now the ability to sell pearl items in market effectively selling silver for real money, this is so p2w and every week almost theres a new thing coming out to upset a vast amount of players, i see a lot of complaining in game, a lot of complaining on youtube and forums,  this one has over 210 thousand views.... so people are obviously bothered by this p2w road BDO is heading down.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuFymMM2ak&ab_channel=TheLazyPeon
     
    as well as this, there is an actual petition, https://www.change.org/p/daum-games-stop-daum-games-from-changing-blackdesertonline-to-pay-to-win-model-with-cash-shop-items-being-listed-on-the-market    that has been signed over 5000 times requiring an email name, adress etc and over 5000 people have signed it, as well as people not knowing about it there is also people that have already quit  before any change is made... by that logic i would confidently say this petition could easily get 10,000 or more signatures easily... therefor thousand of players either not quitting, coming back or trying out the game.
     
    ok just to finish.. i do love this game its just getting annoying p2w things every single week and the threat of more all the time makes playing stressful and makes players me at least lose faith in yet another mmo dev... please keep this game alive, i love the combat most mmos are terrible and the game is fun... theres very little i dont like and when coming out BDO promised to never be p2w for 3 months.. then... suddenly completely went against there words... its exactly like no mans sky.. i dont actually know how its legal to advertise and develop a game saying one thing and then completly reversing that.. is that not lying... is it not false advertisment??? either way... please just keep the game alive... people will play it for the mechanics and guilds and skills and boss's etc.. not for new costumes for sale £20 a go.... its silly and the amount of money from people buying the game months ago the Devs and publishers etc must have made money and are now doing things purely for greed.... please dont fall into the group of 20+ games that started good and went p2w and died... 
     
    sorry for the rant... take a look at the video and sign petition please...    thanks guys, take care and add me in game if you want.. although im a noob haha, cheers.
     
    EDIT
     
    OK been playing a few more days now... game is fantastic.. all those people telling me quit are stupid just because something isn't perfect you don't leave it...   boyfriends or girlfriends for example...   love the horse and pet system determined get 4 tier 4 dogs haha eventually... also love fishing.. and combat is million times better than wow or other tab targeting games... game definitely has p2w elements and the more I play the more I keep saying.. if I bought that it would be good or if I buy this it would be faster so there's definitely pay to advanced faster but I'm in no rush hopefully it doesn't get more p2w and they keep an eye on it and the game should stay pretty good.. excited for what comes next thanks for all the comments guys appreciate the conversation and various points made by people. Take care and have fun in game... 
  7. Decided to make an actual poll to gauge the forum community's feelings on this after another user made a poll that was less than fair. Poll will obviously not be indicative of the game's real population since its limited to the forums going users, but I figure it would be nice to see how the forums feels about this issue, since the forums tend to be one of the more visible areas for Daum to see public opinion.
  8. Es passiert einfach nichts mehr. Keinen Kanalchat, kaum noch Gildenwerbung und die manchmal eher seltsamen Rollenspieler sind auch alle weg. Es ist einsam geworden in der großen Welt. Nichtmal beim farmen wird man mehr angegriffen.
    Die neue Marktplatz-Regel für Perlengegenstände hat wirklich alles kaputt gemacht. So viele sind gegangen.
    Ich frage mich nur, warum das alles passiert ist. Sie hätten ohne das sogar so viel mehr Geld einnehmen können. Sie hätten noch über Jahre hinweg immer mehr neue Spieler bekommen. Aber jemand wollte anscheinend auf einen Schlag 'nen Geldsack.
    Ich frage mich nur ob die ganz oben das überhaupt mitbekommen. Vielleicht heule ich zu sehr rum, es tut nur schon ziemlich weh, wenn man so viel Zeit in ein Spiel investiert und auf einen Schlag alles so den Bach runter geht. Was meint ihr? Ihr müsst doch auch bemerkt haben, dass kaum noch jemand da ist.
  9. So I'm not particularly opinionated either way about this whole Cash Shop/Marketplace fiasco. That being said I have been following it, talking to people in the in-game chat, reading forums posts, etc. Although it's all I've seen from the community since the post on Thursday (or whatever day) I haven't seen much of any type of response from the GMs, I did see Jouska say he was just taking everything in which is good to know, I guess? I'd been looking around for any type of response from the team since then and just wanted to know if they would follow through with these changes, roll them back, or whatever. I suppose I'm just confused because the patch lands on Wednesday right? That leaves... a day for them to respond? Or are they just gonna drop the update on us? I'm in this game until Crowfall comes out anyway so I'm just looking for information.
  10. Post on OFFICIAL POLL by Sizer in General

    By Sizer, posted
    creating the official POLL 
    pay2win vs not pay2win.

    PAY2WIN as
    be able to buy with RL money, items in the cash-shop and put them in the market place , instantly getting massive amount of ingame money to gear up while sitting in towns instead of actualy grinding to get that drops and money.

    see KR version where costumes sells for 100mil+ and pets 60-70mil.

    let your voice be heard guys !
    we need a very large sample guys !
    please 1 vote per view !
  11. PETITION : 
    https://www.change.org/p/daum-games-stop-daum-games-from-changing-blackdesertonline-to-pay-to-win-model-with-cash-shop-items-being-listed-on-the-market 
  12. Post on Staying or leaving in General

    By ariga, posted
    hi you can vote in this link where many player already voted & as you can see it's 50% that want to leave the game (2200 vote for now)
    http://www.strawpoll.me/10913504/r
     
  13. The worst part about implementing a p2w model is what it does to the the community.
    An unstoppable toxic far more damaging then having a duel wielding creditcard warrior as your enemy, has been released.
    Its a quick cash grab that will destroy the game.
    1. People are more likely to spend money for guild related matters then self-improvement. You make purchases to keep up with your friends, have your friends keep up with you, or challenge greater goals. What whale plays this game by himself? 
    2. With whales leaving, you are going to need to do more of this to maintain incomes. That's just fact. Say that you won't but your bank account will not let you.
    By chasing away the small whales in the herd, it indirectly impacts the herd as a whole in a negative way. 
    Someone is squeezing BDO right now for quick cash at the cost of its longevity. 
    Pushing p2w on this game is grossly unethical and shows publishers really don't care about a positive lasting community to support their games.
    In the end I left Archeage which did the same thing as BDO now (just in a more upfront manor and without a buy in). It was not fun watching the community go toxic there.
     
  14. Copy pasta from the announcement topic

    I see one logical step. 
    Create 2 new servers and remove the current 3 servers.
    One server will have the pearl items in-game future and the other one won't.
    Give the current players the option to choose what server they will want to move to.

    We will get rid of the so called 'server merge' problem we have had for a while now and at the same time we won't have to forcefully accept having to play this game in a pay to win environment only.
     
  15. Allow me to create this topic and use an answer i posted somewhere. Im not trying to step on any players feet here. But I think it is important that we address this issue in a proper manner.  I hope some of you will agree with me.
    I see your point of view. But its also time for u to see view from others.
    Tennis players / basket ball players that invest their time in their sport fields, they improve their health, sense of well being, motivation and skills in the real life. They normally do well in their lives. Many of them make their income mainly from this. They motivate other.
    People as you, that have wife and kids, and if they spend many hours a day with BDO, then it already means that they are neglecting very important parts and people of your life. They make people around you miserable because of an addiction to a game. MMO dont improve your health cuz of lack of physical activity.
    Most hardcore players that play 10-20h a day they clearly dont have a job. They live by other and just playing the game whole day. Also you get more isolated and ignore your social habits that is necessary for wellbeing. There is more risk for development of anxiety and depression, beside heart diseases. Overall they most likely become a burden for their family and society in the long run. 
     
    So now you tell me. Is their any respect in being a hardcore MMO player 20 h/day? They ignore the real life and hide in a world of bits and codes that make them feel temporarily powerful. Should we call them MMO king or no-lifer maybe is a bad but honest word for them?
     
    I dont look down on them. But I myself feel no proudness or interest to be one of them. Thats why im far behind all other in this game. And its ok.
    It is sad to see companies like Daum that is promoting and motivating this kind of game life. Any game company should be more responsible for towards their customers. Therefore Pay2Win to some extend should come to any mmo game. To save u and us all from this miserable life of bits and help us to make a healthy balance between joy/fun and responsibility. 
     
  16. I was planning to add this to the value pack discussion, but I think it deserves it's own thread, which will also preserve it from being deleted there as being "irrelevant to the topic"
     
    Let's see if Black Desert is pay2win...
     
    All the bonuses combined you can have, if you put an unlimited amount of cash into the game:
    Death Penalty 10% decrease (costume)
    Amity Gain 10% increase (costume)
    Jump Height 0,5m increase (costume)
    Combat Exp Gain +32% (costume, value pack, 4 pets)
    Vision Range 10m increase (costume)
    Max Stamina +100 (costume)
    Weapon Durability Consumption 10% decrease (costume)
    automatic loot pickup every 4 sec * 4 (4 pets)
    Cooking Skill Exp +37% (canape costume, value pack, 4 pets)
    Cooking Time Decrease -2 sec (canape costume)
    Storage Item Processing (Karki Suit/Maid Costume)
    Slight Increase in Chance of Processing (Kakri Suit/Maid Costume)
    Luck +5 (underwear, 4 pets, cash shop Drawers)
    Auto Fishing Time reduced (currently *1, will be *4 when Pinguins join the item shop)
    Desert Ill Reduced by 190% (stacking? Desert Camouflage Costume + 4 foxes)
    Horse XP Gain +30% (Venia Riding Costume, value pack)
    Horse Breeding Time: instant (can use pearls to finish breeding in stable)
    Time to train horses for breeding -50% (the male/female breeding reset essentially halfs your time spent training, because it doubles up the breeding attempts)
    unlimited instant resurrection where you died without exp loss (Elion's Tear)
    Resource detection (cat)
    Elite Mob detection (hawk/parrot)
    PvP Enemy detection (dog)
    Hide char name in PvP (Treant/Desert Camouflage Suit)
    Swimming Speed Increase (Splat Costume)
    Endurance Consumption reduced while swimming (Splat Costume)
    Fishing +5 (Splat Costume, 4 pets)
    Gathering +2 (Treant Costume, cash shop Dinning Table Buff; Monster pets not yet implemented, will be +5 later)
    Skill exp +10% (value pack)
    Karma recovery +12% (4 pets)
    Processing/Alchemy/Farming/Fishing/Hunting/Trade/Training Exp +22% (value pack, 4 pets)
    Gathering Exp +10% (value pack; Monster pets not yet implemented, will be +22% later with 4 pets)
    Ability to use the investment bank in 5 cities of your chosing (practically unlimited interior points available with shop furniture, you will always be #1)
    Energy Recovery +1 when in bed (compared to a non-cash shop bed)
    random knowledge gain (bookshelves from the shop)
    3hp recovery for 2 hours (cash shop sofa)
    2mp recovery for 2 hours (cash shop chair)
    Horse call range 300m instead of 50m (horse flute)
    Horse Turn +2% (Horse costume stirrups)
    Horse Stamina +500 (Horse costume saddle)
    Horse maximum hp +500 (Horse costume barding)
    Horse acceleration +2% (Horse costume champron)
    Horse movement speed +1% (Horse costume set bonus)
    (repeat the same bonuses for the camel)
    Wagon Weight Limit +60 (wagon costume)
    Trade Item destruction chance 5% decrease (wagon costume)
    Wagon Movement Speed +1% (wagon costume)
    Ship Movement Speed +1% (ship costume)
    Ship Weight Limit +60 (ship costume)
    Ship turn rate +2% (ship costume)
    Ship DP +15 (ship costume)
    Instant skill training at stable (Horse Skill Training Coupon)
    No time wasted by deaths when breeding horses (Horse Resurrection Reset)
    Horses will always have the skills you want them to have, up to their skill maximum (Horse Skill Change Coupon)
    Freely change the name of your horse/wagon/ship (Mount Name Change Coupon)
    30% cheaper to rezz and recover horses (Mount Brand Spell Stone)
    Increased Chance to learn skills for a horse (Mount Brand Spell Stone)
    Change your pet's appearance (Pet Appearance Change Coupon)
    Unlimited Food for your pets (Nutritious Feeds)
    Recolor any armor/weapon/costume (Dyes, Merv's Palette, value pack)
    Nearly unlimited ingame silver (selling cash shop dyes, low chance, but still... if you don't care about the cash...)
    Character appearance change (Appearance Change Coupon, value pack)
    All character inventories 192 slots (slot expansion coupons, value pack)
    All storages (except Epheria, according to description?!?) 192 slots (storage expansions, value pack)
    All city stables (except Epheria?) +10 slots (stable expansion coupons)
    All city worker's lodging (except Epheria?) +3 slots (worker's lodging expansion coupons)
    Character Maximum Weight on all characters +600LT (Weight Limit Increase 200+150+100+50 + 100 value pack)
    Distant Node Investment (value pack)
    30% more income from marketplace (value pack)
    Maximum character slot increase (Character slot expansion coupon)
    unlimited skill addon resets (Cliff's Skill Addon guide)
    unlimited skill reset (Amstrong's Skill guide)
    unlimited guild name change (Guild Name Change Reservation Coupon)
    unlimited character name change (Character Name Change Reservation Coupon)
    Family name change: 2 times (Family name Change Reservation Coupon)
    Always able to extract crystals from gear without either destroying the gear or the crystal (Black Spirit Essence)
    Increased chance of gaining monster knowledge (costume glasses)
    Increased chance of getting higher quality monster knowledge (costume earrings)
    PLUS: indirect bonuses like: if you don't need to build stables, because you bought the cash shop ones, you will free a lot of contribution points from not needing to build them + the buildings in the row before them = more contribution to spend on connecting cities / gathering nodes
     
    So... is Black Desert pay-2-win meanwhile? I won't add my own opinion here, just delivering the list (which took quite a while to make and I'm sure I missed something) so people have something to discuss.
     
    EDIT: forgot to add, that pets actually loot for you...
  17. Because if unemployed people can leverage their time and get the best items and be competitive. I, with a job, should be able to leverage my money to be competitive.
    I can only play a couple of hours a day. I cannot grind mobs for rare drops or go on a gathering spree for 8 hours at a time.
    Why shouldn't I be able to leverage my money the same way that others can leverage their time?
  18. One: The P2W Ghilie Fish Suit in PvP Swim RacesThis is, hands down, the number one issue with this game. Crazy right? You gotta love this game, but the endgame experience is constantly plagued by people wearing these suits to gain a clear advantage in PvP Swim Races. Now I suspect Daum is simply testing the limit here and see how far NA/EU players are able to accept paid advantages in swim races, and I hope that the large volume of complaints on this subject is enough to make them change it, but I can't help but mention that this is really negatively affecting our ability to enjoy PvP Swim Races, as PvP Swim Race players.
    Allow me to better explain my problem with this item and why we consider it P2W; The suit offers a benefit not obtainable by in-game activities, it completely removes a player's name nameplate increases a player's swim speed, to the point where you cannot even tell if you are at war racing with that player or not because they are so fast they aren't even in your view distance anymore. Some classes benefit immensely from this suit, such as the Sorcerer, since combined with their teleporting abilities they become extremely difficult to keep track of in a fight race, and impossible to call out for focus fire catch up to them. It's quite simply, game breaking. It got to the point where my guys are debating to also buy one just to stay on even terms in PvP Swim Races, even when for some of us it would mean tossing aside out Conqueror Pack costume to look like a scrub...
    There are various proposed solutions to this suit all over these forums and Reddit, so I need not beat a dead horse. I just hope Daum reads this feedback and changes it one way or another. Please do not turn into Trion 2.0.
     
    We will be posting this shit day after day. Get used to it !
     
    PRoof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynGYzUOiuVc
  19. 1. Gear scaling allows players of strong gear to absolutely steamroll the bad geared players.
    Proposed: scale down the enchantment or introduce an alternate pvp arena where gear is equalized
    2. Loyalty/preorder/etc rewards should be awarded per character. Inventory slot expansion for 3000 hours of playing? Just dimped on one character.
    3. Expensive costumes. Far more expensive than the market values & really puts people off. Im sure very fancy marketing research was done to decide on the prices but let's see how long these prices will be high for until the players are sick of playing while looking like potato sacks & still unwilling to drop 40 cad into a single costume
     
    4. Single costume. 
     
    5. Absolutely horrible dye system. A thread where people are casually talking about dropping 300, 500 bucks to get the colours makes the Daum CFO happy im sure. But boy it puts off other potential players. Honestly i think daum wouldve learned from the game flopping in Korea.
    6. Pets are pay to win.
     
  20. Hello community. As we are all aware the devs in the PM Dairy 2.2 stated "if they allow cash shop items to be sold on the marketplace" which for some leaves the notion that they will implement a window for pay2win players to gain an unfair advantage. I have been defending why it shouldn't be allowed on the PM Dairy but some users such as @Colt556‌ are adamant that it will not break the game for x amount of reasons. ‌
    So should costumes be allowed to be bought with real life money and sold for ingame money? Please give a Yes/No answer and state the reason why you picked that.
    I would like to get you some arguments raised in the PM Dairy between myself and ‌@Colt556 as it will help show both sides to the argument.
    ‌@Colt556 arguments are as followed, with my counter arguments.
    Its not pay2win if the players put materials there for whales to buy as it was earned by the player --- Regardless of where the materials come from, you are giving the whale millions/billions of silver to purchase all the materials on the marketplace, allowing him 2 upgrade his gear and gain a massive advantage on stats.Cash shop worked in other MMOs so it should work here --- I stated because elements worked in other MMOs does not at all mean it'll work here as the cash shop on Korea has already proven. Also, megaserver is a prime example as it works wonders in some MMOs, however it completely destroyed this one.It doesn't matter if I get killed by someone who pay2win or a no-lifer as they both will have better gear than me --- I stated the fact one has earned his game through time and effort playing the actual game, the other has spent seconds/minutes using real life money to gain massive amounts of silver resulting in a massive advantage.It doesn't matter if someone pays their way to the best gear as others will eventually catch up --- First I asked him to show me the non-Koreans who are +20 gear but he refused. Secondly, he stated allowing players such power is not a problem as it will not effect him. I mentioned it will effect many others at end-game.It isn't pay2win as someone earned their silver too purchase the costumes --- Again I mention it isn't the purchaser who is paying2win its the seller who convers his real money into massive amounts of silver.Korean launched the game with cash shop resulting in the whole playerbase knowing what was coming --- I asked for a quote to back this up, I am yet to receive that quote. I stated that the cash shop was implement after launch and a lot of the player base was skeptical about it. I also showed in that pre cash shop the game was top 10 in the Korean MMO charts, after the implantation of the cash shop, it plummeted down too the bottom 100s.Cash shop items that can be turned in for ingame currency didn't upset other games GvG based --- I showed him video proof of how devastating gear can be in BDO once Valencia comes. He laughed this off and said it was due to levels. I also stated how guilds can 1 shot our English players because they pay2win, destroying the endgame.Gear for a whale doesn't magically appear --- Gear can be obtained via silver or one can buy all the materials required to upgrade and craft his gear.You're a no-life so you will have an unfair advantage that's is considered p2w itself --- Despite me never mentioning the amount of time I have to play, I reiterated the fact that players who put time and effort into this game should and shall get rewarded for their commitment.You wont be able to tell the difference between a pay2win or players who grinded for gear, thus gameplay is unchanged --- Again, if players are getting one shot you can tell the difference.  And "no-lifers" will be certainly be able to tell the difference.I can't afford the costumes but whales can do support the devs for me --- This would cause disruption between all players as the community doesn't like pay2win systems, plus we've seen the long term negative effectives of this system on KR.It isn't turning real money in to silver that's the problem, its the gear - To somewhat we agreed, he denied gear was broken after I showed him video evidence. It took a statement from a third party who is in a GvG guild, confirming gear is broken, for him to believe. Nevertheless, I reminded him that this game will always have a heavy gear progression system. hopefully that isn't broken as it is now with +15 to +20. I told him gaining silver would still cause whales to have an unfair big advantage, maybe one that doesn't one shot people, but still an advantage. My example was as followed, a +15 will still have a big advantage of the +10 player, despite the gear scaling from +5 to +15 being nothing like +15 to +20.You cant pay2win because gear is RNG --- Each time you fail once enchant you gain 1 failstack, which increase your % of successfully enchanting your gear next time. Allowing a player a vast amount of silver will eventually make RNG irrelevant as he will of gained enough failstacks to successful enchant.These are just some of the arguments from the PM diary 2.2 between myself and ‌@Colt556. There are more there if you want to read. I wanted Colt to make this thread as he firmly believes he is correct. I asked him to make a thread so he can see what the majority actually wants and not what he wants. He has shown he has little knowledge of the game and I suggested it would do him some good talking to the majority and hearing their opinions.
    So lastly, Should costumes be purchasable with real money and sold for silver? Silver which can be used by Whales to upgrade their gear. Yes/No and why?
  21. Original Thread
     
    I'm getting some serious dejavu from Overwatch 2 weeks ago.
     
    Daum's pre-order announcement today has caused some controversy as to whether the game will be P2W or not and so we should be getting to the bottom of this since despite the box price on the base game, there seem to still be F2P cash shop items like skill resets and stat-bonused costumes that have rolled over from Korea.
     
    Some members of the community seem to have the mentality that "we don't know for sure what Daum is planning so how can we assume they are implementing their Korean cash shop". That may be true but the implementation of a P2W cash shop is also a very real possibility.
     
    We should not be content to wait for the actual release to find out what Daum has planned. If the Cash Shop has not been changed, how are we supposed to know if any of the P2W aspects of the Korean original were changed.
     
    It is UP TO US to be on top of Daum to make it clear that veering towards P2W with a box price is unacceptable both now and in the future. Transparency by the publisher and objective feedback from the community is the key to ensuring the success of this game. Make your voice heard.
     
    Most importantly, BE CIVIL. We're asking for transparency, not a revolution. Daum has created a beautiful game and while the community should hold Daum to the B2P philosophy firmly, they should do it respectfully.