Dear @PM_Jouska, @CM_Aethon, @CM_Praballo, @CM_Tytyes, @GM_Gemu, @GM_Rhotaaz, and @GM_Huego
If you are ever planning on presenting to Pearl Abyss how strongly and passionately EU & NA are against this idea, here is a compiled list of the community's responses (who are against this), organized in one thread for your convenience.
I'd like to stress to you, Daum/Kakao, that the point of this thread is to lay down all at once how the community against this feels and how important this is to us.
This news has spread like fire and has depressed, saddened, and/or angered tons of players who loved this game and supported the creators since the beginning.
Additionally, based on this thread, a lot of players believe this won't make a difference and that our opinions & feedback won't matter. Let this prove them wrong!
If I missed anything else that we have done, let me know and I will add it to this, I will continue to update as I find more links.
***Please keep this thread constructive, & reply with images/links/videos (and region + server) of any information that you have if you are against this, and I will add to this post. This thread is meant to compile information for Daum/Kakao, please take other feedback towards their decisions back to the Announcement Thread by PM_Jouska
ATTENTION: Place your votes and stances here and tell your friends, guild members, servers, and channels to vote too!
Links are below:
Player - Created Forum Poll
Have your Guild Representative or GM state where your guild stands on this
Here is the link to the "NO P2W" image
Player - Created Forum Poll:
Source: Forum PollImage of poll (above), stats shown on first bullet point below; updates follow after that8/5/16 | 1:23 pm EST | 2734 votes against, 358 votes for, 462 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/5/16 | 3:02 pm EST | 2761 votes against, 364 votes for, 471 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/5/16 | 3:52 pm EST | 2772 votes against, 364 votes for, 476 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/5/16 | 4:50 pm EST | 2776 votes against, 365 votes for, 477 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/6/16 | 12:55 pm EST | 2919 votes against, 425 votes for, 512 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/6/16 | 2:34 pm EST | 2929 votes against, 427 votes for, 516 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/6/16 | 6:01 pm EST | 2944 votes against, 433 votes for, 521 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/8/16 | 8:14 am EST | 3042 votes against, 454 votes for, 535 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/8/16 | 2:51 pm EST | 3066 votes against, 456 votes for, 540 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/8/16 | 4:42 pm EST | 3073 votes against, 458 votes for, 541 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/9/16 | 8:32 am EST | 3104 votes against, 472 votes for, 554 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/9/16 | 12:49 pm EST | 3117 votes against, 472 votes for, 556 votes for & lowering the limit / month8/9/16 | 11:13 pm EST | 3132 votes against, 475 votes for, 562 votes for & lowering the limit / month__________________________________________________________________________________________
Black Desert Facebook Page Poll:
Source: StrawpollImage of poll (above), stats shown on first bullet point below; updates follow after that:8/6/16 | 12:52 pm EST | 1724 votes yes, 506 votes no8/6/16 | 2:35 pm EST | 1732 votes yes, 507 votes no8/6/16 | 6:03 pm EST | 1764 votes yes, 512 votes no8/8/16 | 8:15 am EST | 1813 votes yes, 525 votes no8/8/16 | 2:51 pm EST | 1836 votes yes, 528 votes no8/8/16 | 4:42 pm EST | 1837 votes yes, 529 votes no8/9/16 | 8:32 am EST | 1855 votes yes, 534 votes no8/9/16 | 12:50 pm EST | 1862 votes yes, 535 votes no8/9/16 | 11:14 pm EST | 1866 votes yes, 539 votes no__________________________________________________________________________________________
Source: Change.org PetitionThread: "Open Letter to Daum Games / Pearl Abyss. SIGN THE CHANGE.ORG PETITION"1,842 supporters on 8/5/16 at 1:25 pm EST1,902 supporters on 8/5/16 at 3:08 pm EST1,922 supporters on 8/5/16 at 3:52 pm EST1,939 supporters on 8/5/16 at 4:49 pm EST2,247 supporters on 8/6/16 at 12:54 pm EST2,268 supporters on 8/6/16 at 2:35 pm EST2,291 supporters on 8/6/16 at 6:03 pm EST3,845 supporters on 8/8/16 at 8:16 am EST4,084 supporters on 8/8/16 at 2:51 pm EST4,117 supporters on 8/8/16 at 4:42 pm EST4,263 supporters on 8/9/16 at 8:32 am EST4,440 supporters on 8/9/16 at 12:50 pm EST4,642 supporters on 8/9/16 at 11:15 pm EST__________________________________________________________________________________________
In - Game Protests:
EU Jordine: 3 hour Live stream including protest (at the beginning)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jtC8wIL7_cEU Jordine: Video of YouTube user and streamer xMovingTarget showing in-game protestshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iykJTSCS8JsEU Jordine: Guild logo changeshttps://s32.postimg.org/hc8dwjo4l/guildtop_jordine.jpg → every guild in top 17 ranking changed their logo to "no p2w" which is around 1,438 members who don't want this changehttp://i.imgur.com/vFfp7Ih.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/1c5a687086f2d89d4947ab8d713cc0a2.pnghttp://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_08_2016/Screenshot_147.thumb.jpg.4c191bbc6d10bde399f0a8cc78f2cf5d.jpghttp://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_08_2016/2016-08-04_41104719.JPG.018f9a7c8db35956219f3b0e999e8253.JPGhttp://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_08_2016/alustinregionowners.thumb.JPG.f16b2ce62d1181acbf25f4ff5000b60d.JPGEU Croxus: One of the top guilds protest with guild logo changehttps://d3higte790sj35.cloudfront.net/images/gd/ke/b2733753e65f434b53e121aa0abf180e.jpeghttp://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_08_2016/croxus.jpg.de913c5f4dbd8bad671cfc4bbe266ec0.jpgEU Alustin: Guild logo changehttp://i.imgur.com/l8VBARe.jpghttp://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_08_2016/alustinregionowners.thumb.JPG.f16b2ce62d1181acbf25f4ff5000b60d.JPGhttp://i63.tinypic.com/23r7lls.jpgEU Protest (not sure what server)https://s31.postimg.org/lvxjojr2j/123.jpgNA Uno: One of the top guilds protest with guild logo changehttps://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/4w5urc/barcode_guild_protests_p2w/NA Uno on a Friday afternoon, take a look at how noticably less populated the game ishttp://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_08_2016/2016-08-05_170190626.JPG.abcc1f55b8b9915719b14b4f2322e1bb.JPGNA Orwen war declarations against the guild "PayTo_Win" across the whole server (war declarations continued past the screenshots)http://imgur.com/a/ekfAWNA Edan: Guild logo changeshttps://vgy.me/ebZGWi.png__________________________________________________________________________________________
Player, Guild, and Community responses who are against these possible upcoming [p2w] changes:
Around 250 pages of feedback and 6,200 replies in this thread and growing consistently on a regular basis):http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/106513-updated-in-game-accessibility-to-pearl-shop-items/&page=1Reddit Megathread on Black Desert Online: In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items:https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/4wf1ob/megathread_ingame_accessibility_to_pearl_shop/Black Desert Online's Reddit has joined in the protesting and included the "NO P2W" symbol on their banner:http://i1.2pcdn.com/node14/image/article/201608/08/20160808114720a0ehb5dbmbj3t13z.pngIndividual forum user responses:Forum thread: "Response to P2W Implementation" by @General Morshttp://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/106891-response-to-p2w-implementation/Forum thread: "Analysis of the current game mechanics and how p2w would affect them" by @Karmek http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/107082-bdo-analysis-of-the-current-game-mechanics-and-how-p2w-would-affect-them/Individual YouTube video user responses (*** = my opinion of top rated / well said):***BDO Hero explaining he will quit & stop streaming, doesn't want anything to do with this games, and how saddening it is to leave his favorite game:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxag8F5HxgA***EllsyGaming discussing the possible upcoming changes & expressing her extremely strong viewpoints on how it'll affect the game, company, & players:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6h2e6Lkf4U***Nightingale Gaming discussing these possible upcoming changes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbxoU3hlpf8***Hakurai (NA Orwen) explaining the in-game protests & possible upcoming changeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRpAAtPGA-Y***Koyo: "My Black Desert Online Experience: Pay 2 Win?"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53GTdFq8I8I***Morrolan TV (NA Uno) expressing thoughtshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlxCTc89j-EThomas Soren explaining a short overview and solutions to this possible update:https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/4w8n63/short_overview_and_solutions_to_this_p2w_update/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUrkdDJal7ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xF_4l5ODCUBladeBoques reacting to possible upcoming p2w changes and why it's a bad decision:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwcMa3DCrGsDocgotGaming discussing pay to win with BDO, comparing to Archeage & Ablion Online, with multiple players in Discordhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEd3pT4FJMQMore vulgar, aggressive, & blatant videos below:Legacy Gaming, one of the largest communities from NA Orwen, has decided to pull support from BDO:http://www.legacybdo.com/Forum thread "Collective attempt at preventing p2w in BDO"http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/106626-collective-attempt-at-preventing-p2w-in-bdo/&page=1Includes sources of how other players, communities, and servers are against and trying to prevent this changeGuilds on both EU and NA have decided how they feel about p2w in BDO, a lot of which say their entire guild or community will depart from the game if this is implemented. This includes top guilds and communities. There are players who have had enough and already decided to leave because of how much trust has been brokenCounting # of responses from this thread, the number of guilds / communities against this change follow. This means that either entire guilds or the majority of the players are 100% prepared to walk away if this is implemented. This includes the big guilds / top guilds / communities, and this doesn't even include guilds who aren't on forums or who don't know about this thread. Keep in mind that 1 community could have 2-4 total guilds and the total # doesn't include the sister guilds:EU Total: 53 59NA Total: 23 25 28 33 34Users on forums and guilds in-game changing their profile icons and guild logos to the following image:http://i.imgur.com/SwjFN8W.pngPlan to rally a "black out" from 8/10 - 8/12https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/4w5drs/blackdesert_community_organized_blackout_810_812/__________________________________________________________________________________________
********** [WIP] Frequent Suggestions (mostly from who are against):
Ability to purchase Pearl items with Loyaltieshttp://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/107846-possible-solution-to-p2w/Ability to purchase Pearl items from an NPC for in-game silverAbility to purchase Pearl items from the Night Vendor for in-game silverAbility to craft Pearl items, which will either be very tedious or very expensiveImplement a new series of quest lines for Pearl itemsNot implementing this change in any wayLower cash shop prices Lower profit when listing a cash shop item on the marketplace (Example: to avoid selling 1 outfit for 30-100m at 5 outfits / week = 150-500m / week)Forum Poll: "How much silver would you buy a $30 costume for?"Below is my opinion in what would be reasonable regarding the market price per costume:30m+ - "Max" - Seems high if p2w-ers take advantage of p2w (150m / week @ 5 costumes / week)20m - "Average" - Could seem high if taking advantage of p2w (100m / week @ 5 costumes / week)15m - "Fair" - If taking advantage of p2w (75m / week @ 5 costumes / week)10m - "Low" - If taking advantage of p2w (50m / week @ 5 costumes / week)Anything below 10m isn't even worth it to buy and sell to a lot of people. The amount should be right in the middle - not too high for easy abuse for wallet warriors, and not too low so that there are 0 costumes on the marketplace (as rare as Kzarka weapons for example)Looking at the above opinions, I personally would be OK with making the outfitter price ranges on the marketplace be 10-20m, as I would continue to play & support the game. Decrease the maximum amount allowed to list costumes / pearl shop items per week / month; ideas below:1 per week = 4 per month3 per month5 per monthGiving us the JP version as suggested by @Surrender and @RubyTuesday (as well as others that I might have missed)Only able to sell parts of a costume. They sell for 5-10m eachLimit of 5 parts /week -> Thats 1~ full Set for around 50m a week --> a lot of players (as well as myself) think this is reasonable if this system is implemented***To get more feedback from as much community as possible (because not everyone is on forums), implement a poll upon launching the game; the poll would either be directly in-game or would direct the player to a website where they can then vote if they want this change.__________________________________________________________________________________________
Take a look at what these articles have to say (excluding the comments that follow) about these possible changes and how we reacted:[English] Article from PC Gamer regarding the in-game protests:http://www.pcgamer.com/black-desert-online-players-protest-pay-to-win-changes-with-in-game-picket-signs/Article from Kotaku.com regarding the in-game protests:http://kotaku.com/pay-to-win-protests-hit-the-streets-of-black-desert-o-1784949509German articles:http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/black-desert-online/news/black_desert_online,49303,3276823.htmlhttp://mein-mmo.de/black-desert-cashshop-items-auktionshaus/Article from 2p.com by @Kitsu289 regarding the in-game protests and what's next:http://2p.com/44256993_2/Black-Desert-Marketplace-Changes-Cause-Protests-In-Game-Whats-Next-for-Game-by-Kitsu289.htmArticle from techrapor.net by Kyle Downey regarding the in-game protests:http://techraptor.net/content/black-desert-online-players-protestArticles from massivelyop.com by Bree Royce regarding how the community has reacted as well as an analysis of Kakao:http://massivelyop.com/2016/08/05/black-desert-community-uproar-and-analysts-on-kakao/http://massivelyop.com/2016/08/04/black-desert-players-explode-over-plan-to-allow-cash-shop-items-on-the-in-game-market/?lf-content=170254447%3A551245186&hubRefSrc=permalinkArticle from gameranx.com by Nick Monroe regarding the in-game protests, an overview of the cash shop, and how the community reacted:http://gameranx.com/updates/id/68520/article/pay-to-win-protests-brewing-on-black-desert-online/__________________________________________________________________________________________
Thank you for reading, and I wish you best of luck if you decide to present this to Pearl Abyss.