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I can understand that its not that much fun to many players but didnt you feel the satisfaction of winning over us in the end? I think it was a hard fight and a well earned victory over Enemy from your side and thats what sieges are for aswell. You guys did very well and had the "more even?" fight afterwards aswell which supposely is more fun? The ultimate goal is to win during a siege and you shouldnt care how it is done in the end, even if it involves backstabbing or pulling cheese stuff.

 

I just chose "more even" as a term hope its not insulting or offending anyone as it isnt meant like this.

There was actually more cheers and luls when Sovereign came up as the winner of Serendia :D

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This is very much true, it is possible to kick out strong guilds with multiple smaller guilds. But it isn't fun at all. I don't think anyone of Millennium or Morghulis enjoyed fighting you last siege. Yes, we managed to beat a stronger guild. But it was 2,5h of pure cancer. I can clearly see why people don't want to do it eventhough it's possible. 

I think I've touched on this in an earlier post a couple of weeks ago, and it's a fully understandable point. If you have a semi-casual standpoint in the game, you don't want to hunt whales or tryhard to be the 0,1% (@Sheranna) it's simply no fun playing against people that do.

Sure, you can win by outnumbering but I fully understand the contempt for doing so considering the backlash you get in terms of perma-wars, shittalking and the personal degradation of spending 4 hours fighting someone who has put so much more effort into the game than you they simply have to look in your general direction to explode you and your general vicinity

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I didn't get the satisfaction after killing you, sadly. I didn't get the satisfaction after killing Oldskool either, I think mainly because it was a 4v1 and we wanted a 2v1. But the fun that comes afterwards is definitely worth it in my eyes. I am glad we choose to fight with Morghulis rather than give it to either side straight away. Both sides learned a lot about castle sieges this way. And this is what it's all about, so we can get comfortable with castles sieges and go solo when we feel like we have enough strength and power to compete. 

Let's say, the 2.5h of fighting you were hell. But it was all worth it for the fun and experience we had afterwards. I just wish more guilds would think of it like this. And yes, we had the "more even" fight afterwards, luckily for us we didn't face 90+ Morghulis. I think both sides had multiple opportunities to take the win but it got liberated in the end. We learned from our mistakes and so did Morghulis, next time we'll be better. It's only a matter of time.

Im actually a bit sad to hear that you didnt have that much fun fighting us since i think it was a great fight with all participants making a lot of mistakes which they can improve on.
 

I think I've touched on this in an earlier post a couple of weeks ago, and it's a fully understandable point. If you have a semi-casual standpoint in the game, you don't want to hunt whales or tryhard to be the 0,1% (@Sheranna) it's simply no fun playing against people that do.

Sure, you can win by outnumbering but I fully understand the contempt for doing so considering the backlash you get in terms of perma-wars, shittalking and the personal degradation of spending 4 hours fighting someone who has put so much more effort into the game than you they simply have to look in your general direction to explode you and your general vicinity

Btw we only had wars on both guilds during the building phase on that day, both got retracted directly after Siege - no hate, salt or anything against those guilds a fair fight which we lost - we saw a lot of our mistakes and will continue on improving until we are ready to overcome other challenges aswell.

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Im actually a bit sad to hear that you didnt have that much fun fighting us since i think it was a great fight with all participants making a lot of mistakes which they can improve on.

Tbh, the annoying part was for us where we would do really well on an engage and manage to take you by surprise killing a lot of you, then the remaining 10-15 managing to wipe and entire 60+man raid. That part wasn't fun :D

You guys multiply and res really well. By the time either Morghulis or Millennium managed to follow up the attack you would have most of your raid back up.

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Btw we only had wars on both guilds during the building phase on that day, both got retracted directly after Siege - no hate, salt or anything against those guilds a fair fight which we lost - we saw a lot of our mistakes and will continue on improving until we are ready to overcome other challenges aswell.

But this is kind of the problem for them isn't it? The dedicationgap™ is so big that they need to outnumber you 3:1, and you can still call it "fair". Of course it was no fun for them.

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You guys multiply and res really well. By the time either Morghulis or Millennium managed to follow up the attack you would have most of your raid back up.

By the time we finish second guild off the first one is ready to engage again. It went both sides :D

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By the time we finish second guild off the first one is ready to engage again. It went both sides :D

You are too slow then :P

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Sure, you can win by outnumbering but I fully understand the contempt for doing so considering the backlash you get in terms of perma-wars, shittalking and the personal degradation of spending 4 hours fighting someone who has put so much more effort into the game than you they simply have to look in your general direction to explode you and your general vicinity

it's not even more or less effort, we all do what we can. Just because someone has less available time to put in doesn't mean he's putting in less effort, that time is still very valuable to him. and to that point when you're doing what you can and you still get blown to pieces without effort is pretty demotivating.

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But this is kind of the problem for them isn't it? The dedicationgap™ is so big that they need to outnumber you 3:1, and you can still call it "fair". Of course it was no fun for them.

The "dedicationgap" will only get smaller with the time the game is evolving as the dedicated player, no matter how dedicated, need to get insanely lucky and have to spend tremendous amount of time into it to improve further, while the game is giving all people stuff for pretty much just logging in. Considering we have a lot more numbers compared to our last fight with Millennium im sure they felt, even if its just a bit, closer than last time.

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Are we going to get new fake account that only cries at everything every week nowdays?

yeap, shit video = new fake account crying :P

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TL:DR anyone please? I didn't have time to read last few pages today:(

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TL:DR anyone please? I didn't have time to read last few pages today:(

Siege is ded.

how is your T9 preparations coming along < far more interesting topic.

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no dramas

bad baits

boring ppl

 

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And those 4 barely fight each other on sieges. when freed they just look for the next territory to settle on. why put it on other guilds to make alliances when you yourselves are too proud to do the same to each other. If you rly want PvP go fight each other instead of sitting on a castles blaming weaker guilds.

 

There is nothing to be gained from making alliances atm, it isn't fun to bash your head against stronger players and guilds (in castles) winning just because you keep throwing in numbers (first 2 hours of Mediah vs enemy weren't fun for a lot of ppl). And every decision you make is a bad decision: you make an alliance ppl get mad, you don't make an alliance ppl get mad, you go castle ppl get mad, you don't go castle ppl also get mad, you win ppl are mad (bcuz alliance/teaming up), you go alone and lose ppl are also mad/demotivated, ..... there is no winning. VoS dropped attendance and Wasted dropped members, another 2 guilds gone from castles? Yelling 'step up' and 'make alliances' doesn't get the siege scene anywhere. 

Beside Addicted we fought Enemy and Sovereign in pretty much every siege we ever did, why are you trying to spin facts?

Who's getting mad? All I see is people saying "People don't do alliances cause they get flamed for it". But I just see the opposite, I see people encouraging small/medium guilds to team up. So yeah if someone gets offended cause they outumbered 3:1 someone and they get called zerg then maybe they should grow some balls.

The siege scene is in a very big stale at the moment... and that is completely logical. ALL participants should be getting something... and not only the winners. That is the first step to become something better of a scene.. and it is a MUST. I will not give any other recomendations since i dont think korean devs take them seriously but i do hope we see a change pretty soon... cause, else is gonna be dead. People will just prefer to go grinding/lvling with exp buff on weekends rather than pasting shit on ''sieges''.

NO, NO PLEASE GOD NO. Are we children? Is every BDO player a 14yo? You guys want PARTICIPATION REWARDS? The godamn siege itself is a reward, THE PVP IS THE REWARD. Jesus Christ this is so sad to see, people that want rewards with zero risk or effort should just fck off from the siege scene and go play minecraft or something esle where everything is handed to them without even putting 1m of work.

Back when we were pulling 30 and we had the opportunity to go siege Mediah and kick Ragnarok (that had 2 guilds of 100 players back then) off the region after  MONTHS of them sitting there WE WERE HYPED as -----, not because we went there to win cause we knew we had no chance against bigger guilds, but because we had the chance to stop one the longest holding of a territory of Alustin, and BEING PART OF IT WAS THE REWARD.

TL:DR anyone please? I didn't have time to read last few pages today:(

TLDR: BDO for some reason attracts a shitload of whiny entitled crybabies, that want to go to siege, get in-game rewards from it even if they put 0 effort in their pvp preparation and then come on the forum saying the siege scene is dead cause guilds that put effort into their pvp and siege preparation are rewarded for it.

The truth is that apart from very few guilds, the vast majority of the playerbase (including the vast majority of "pvp guilds") are not made of PvPers. Yeah maybe they have a bunch here and there, but most guilds just have PvErs that want to get payouts and hit some towers once in a week, but for the rest you only see them grind/lifeskill and they never ever entered the RBF, Arena or looked at their skill tree.

 

 

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 The godamn siege itself is a reward, THE PVP IS THE REWARD.

You really think this shit show called a siege is a reward? lol. I actually contemplate f()cking a cheese grater every Saturday then having to put myself through that mess.

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it's not even more or less effort, we all do what we can. Just because someone has less available time to put in doesn't mean he's putting in less effort, that time is still very valuable to him. and to that point when you're doing what you can and you still get blown to pieces without effort is pretty demotivating.

You're absolutely right, plenty of people do. There are also plenty that don't.  

I merely reply'd to Tekeii's flawed point, we're all the same in there and i doubt we have the power to attract simple incentive leechers. Conversely you can't expect some people that want more parity around them to not seek it, especially if what they tried before didn't work out, as no matter how much you deny it in whatever semi casual environment you are you'll find plenty that don't have remotely the same interests, it's just the nature of it.

Im actually a bit sad to hear that you didnt have that much fun fighting us since i think it was a great fight with all participants making a lot of mistakes which they can improve on.
 

Btw we only had wars on both guilds during the building phase on that day, both got retracted directly after Siege - no hate, salt or anything against those guilds a fair fight which we lost - we saw a lot of our mistakes and will continue on improving until we are ready to overcome other challenges aswell.

I think he means the Oldskool one, i heard they're not much used to this sort of stuff recently ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

You really think this shit show called a siege is a reward? lol. I actually contemplate f()cking a cheese grater every Saturday then having to put myself through that mess.

Nah he either works as marketing director for some shady company or he's missing a good opportunity to do so and earn some fat bucks. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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The Mongol army communal rope is wearing thin, for it has seen many players through to their final goal of meeting their waifu in the after life shortly after siege completes.

 

Please Kakao, make siege more enjoyable.

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JK JK <3

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You really think this shit show called a siege is a reward? lol. I actually contemplate f()cking a cheese grater every Saturday then having to put myself through that mess.

Maybe cause you're going on the same territory over and over avoiding any possible challenge?

You could've got a nice 1v1 againsts us in Calpheon, or fight 1v6 in Balenos/Serendia or even contested Addicted with the help of some other guilds, but no you picked the easy way out, either a 1v1 against Millennium, a guild that you know you can overpower easly, or a 2v1 against whatever poor sould that built there and then back to your easy 1v1.

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NO, NO PLEASE GOD NO. Are we children? Is every BDO player a 14yo? You guys want PARTICIPATION REWARDS? The godamn siege itself is a reward, THE PVP IS THE REWARD. Jesus Christ this is so sad to see, people that want rewards with zero risk or effort should just fck off from the siege scene and go play minecraft or something esle where everything is handed to them without even putting 1m of work.

 

Not to mention sitting on a region seeing 5+ forts are built to only find out they are empty towers on saturday.

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I think he means the Oldskool one, i heard they're not much used to this sort of stuff recently ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

No, I was talking about a general attitude even bigger, stronger guilds have had against smaller, weaker guilds since the beginning of node wars and conquests.

And I don't know what you're talking about. We've always had plenty of wars up as long as I've been in this guild. Leave it up to Sheranna to always try to make himself look special. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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no dramas

bad baits

boring ppl

 

Sounds just like you.

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Payouts in 2k17 LuL.

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No, I was talking about a general attitude even bigger, stronger guilds have had against smaller, weaker guilds since the beginning of node wars and conquests.

And I don't know what you're talking about. We've always had plenty of wars up as long as I've been in this guild. Leave it up to Sheranna to always try to make himself look special. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Permawars ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

When are you gonna flee to your corner again? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Maybe cause you're going on the same territory over and over avoiding any possible challenge?

You could've got a nice 1v1 againsts us in Calpheon, or fight 1v6 in Balenos/Serendia or even contested Addicted with the help of some other guilds, but no you picked the easy way out, either a 1v1 against Millennium, a guild that you know you can overpower easly, or a 2v1 against whatever poor sould that built there and then back to your easy 1v1.

I think you are completely misunderstanding the point altogether.

Sieges are complete cancer. It has nothing to do with opponents the entire game is a mess, does anyone actually enjoy it in its current state? If you do it's because your addicted to the rng. PvP is a joke, the game is completely unbalanced when it comes to 1v1, and then it can't handle anything above 30v30. And saying Millennium is a guild we can overpower easily is a joke, they are a strong guild and had the castle advantage. We knew Enemy was coming and we expected Sovereign to turn up as well.

"Avoiding any possible challenge?"

Morghulis v Millennium v Enemy. (Alliance was temp to take down Enemy)
Morghulis + Millennium v Wasted (Recently merged with Revolt) + VoS (Recently merged with Ginnunga)
Oldskool v Morghulis + Millennium v Wasted + VoS v Sovereign
Oldskool v Sovereign v Morghulis + VoS
Morghulis v Sfora + Resilience + iiiPhobos + Harmony + Ragnarok +
 Leviathan
Morghulis v Dogma (Recent merge with Checkmate) v Wasted v Resilience
Morghulis v Khaos v Revolt v Harmony v Mithantropolis v RL_XT Alliance v Dogma
Morghulis + FUzion v Sovereign + Hydra v Millennium + Sfora
Morghulis + FUzion v Leviathan v Wasted v Encore
Morghulis v Ember v Wasted v Sfora (Just merged with 52 different polish guilds) v VikingsonShrooms v Millennium v RL_XT Alliance v High_Dawn

The list goes on, and telling me that any of those fights are "avoiding any possible challenge"  is complete bullshit. Addicted have sat in Valencia with their dcks out in the sand and my computer cannot handle the shltshow that is Calpheon. We have had more siege PvP then anyone on the server for well over 2 months. I think I can more than qualify and say that sieges are cancerous.

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