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 Gief back 1 button bob gameplay. This class is 2 hard

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No offence bro , but first fight looked like 2 guys that are pressing random buttons on the keyboard ... Overall gc you learned air comb , dont like ur playstyle tho , so much unneeded actions ... Too much dark flame spam ...

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Well... you know combos, but your playstyle sucks xD

And the fight against that valkyrie.... god, that valkyrie must be the shitiest out of all... Did you tell her that she actually has a shield?

 

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I r8 8/8 m8

 

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No offence bro , but first fight looked like 2 guys that are pressing random buttons on the keyboard ... Overall gc you learned air comb , dont like ur playstyle tho , so much unneeded actions ... Too much dark flame spam ...

i have a sad news for you bro ... First of all , float chance is low , second thing is , with current dsync issues midnight stinger is so hard to hit , third thing ,  to land a kill you still need shards so still kill window is 30 sec ... 

Well... you know combos, but your playstyle sucks xD

And the fight against that valkyrie.... god, that valkyrie must be the shitiest out of all... Did you tell her that she actually has a shield?

 

Whats wrong with my playstyle.

Doesn't matter if hes not the best valk universe. It's still a valk with good stats. that could do +2k dmg in one KD(I have 251dp on paper).

I will tell him to read ur valkyrie guide. Kappa

 

 

 

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haha these clueless sorcs hating on purie's almost flawless playstyle, it's true you were playing vs dogshit players but he's also playing sorc to nearly 90% of its potential, still missing out on some tricks i can't share cuz otherwise i wouldn't be best sorc eu anymore

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I am up for any fights of ppl who think i dunno how2play :P

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haha these clueless sorcs hating on purie's almost flawless playstyle, it's true you were playing vs dogshit players but he's also playing sorc to nearly 90% of its potential, still missing out on some tricks i can't share cuz otherwise i wouldn't be best sorc eu anymore

I like doing stinger > dark flame alot. It's safe move incase stinger doesn't land atleast im blocking. If im 100% sure stinger will hit I don't follow up dark flame obviously.

Best way would be stinger > soa (if 1v1 and enemy 100% hp) stinger > scattering (if 1v1 and if less than 100% and can kill with shorter CC chain) stinger > shadow (best in group pvp, fastest execution time)

If I did stinger > soa all the time after every stinger that im expecting to hit. I would get rekt so hard incase of stinger miss/resist/block/etc

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can i have a cuddle Purie ? lots of love Beerus

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I like doing stinger > dark flame alot. It's safe move incase stinger doesn't land atleast im blocking. If im 100% sure stinger will hit I don't follow up dark flame obviously.

Best way would be stinger > soa (if 1v1 and enemy 100% hp) stinger > scattering (if 1v1 and if less than 100% and can kill with shorter CC chain) stinger > shadow (best in group pvp, fastest execution time)

If I did stinger > soa all the time after every stinger that im expecting to hit. I would get rekt so hard incase of stinger miss/resist/block/etc

i didn't mean exactly that, your combos were on point, i fully understand when you use dflame for the block, it's only natural, so do i, dark flame is one of our core movements due to the block

 

i was referring more on a micro level on how to chain up your stuff better and be faster with your cancels (or cancelling bloody calamity dmg sometimes because you night crow too fast with the cancel)

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can i have a cuddle Purie ? lots of love Beerus

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i didn't mean exactly that, your combos were on point, i fully understand when you use dflame for the block, it's only natural, so do i, dark flame is one of our core movements due to the block

 

i was referring more on a micro level on how to chain up your stuff better and be faster with your cancels (or cancelling bloody calamity dmg sometimes because you night crow too fast with the cancel)

yeah I sometimes cancel 2/3rds of the bloody calamity dmg by chaining skills too fast out from it. It's a bad skill usage. Im happy with the overall "flow" off my skills. Skill ordering is not 100% perfect and need to work on that. 

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haha these clueless sorcs hating on purie's almost flawless playstyle, it's true you were playing vs dogshit players but he's also playing sorc to nearly 90% of its potential, still missing out on some tricks i can't share cuz otherwise i wouldn't be best sorc eu anymore

U kiding ? Full potential ? Spamming away abilities with high cooldowns is not a way to go these days ... If you think that is 90% of its potential then oh well that level of potential of yours is rly low ... And when you need them to finish some1 off they will be on cooldown gg ... Anyways , its whatever this sorc is still better then most , so i guess its good ...

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U kiding ? Full potential ? Spamming away abilities with high cooldowns is not a way to go these days ... If you think that is 90% of its potential then oh well that level of potential of yours is rly low ... And when you need them to finish some1 off they will be on cooldown gg ... Anyways , its whatever this sorc is still better then most , so i guess its good ...

how is he spamming away stuff? he's aiming it properly, he uses it with good intentions, that's far from wasted

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how is he spamming away stuff? he's aiming it properly, he uses it with good intentions, that's far from wasted

Cba watching valks duel , but i am sure there is some , 1 was at 3:14 , 4 guys there , he casts dod into already knocked down oponent , i guess overall not so meny , but from what iv seen probs this just sticked in my mind. Watching this vid once again , i structured what exactly i dont like in playstyle , so thing is , he lands midnight stinger quite a bit on wizards , but doesnt follow up with kick , he rather uses df or some other stuff , which is odd to me ... I guess inconsistance in his gameplay is what i dont like. On other hand watch BILL , his gameplay is fluid an every move he makes make sense ...

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Cba watching valks duel , but i am sure there is some , 1 was at 3:14 , 4 guys there , he casts dod into already knocked down oponent , i guess overall not so meny , but from what iv seen probs this just sticked in my mind. Watching this vid once again , i structured what exactly i dont like in playstyle , so thing is , he lands midnight stinger quite a bit on wizards , but doesnt follow up with kick , he rather uses df or some other stuff , which is odd to me ... I guess inconsistance in his gameplay is what i dont like. On other hand watch BILL , his gameplay is fluid an every move he makes make sense ...

It's ok dude. some stuff might look unintentional or unnecesary but they ain't. U could argue X skill at X time is not optimal and sure dude. It's 6min long vid. I use hundreds of skills. Im human after all and make mistakes but what u think is a mistake isn't one. We most likely think and play way too diffrently for you to understand my logic/playstyle. Nothing wrong with that. Im doing great in-game. Hope you are aswell.

the kick isn't needed. u can just stinger > shadow eruption. dod doesn't have much value. doesn't hit hard. cc is bad for dmg follow ups without CD(shard,calamity). 

 

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Cba watching valks duel , but i am sure there is some , 1 was at 3:14 , 4 guys there , he casts dod into already knocked down oponent , i guess overall not so meny , but from what iv seen probs this just sticked in my mind. Watching this vid once again , i structured what exactly i dont like in playstyle , so thing is , he lands midnight stinger quite a bit on wizards , but doesnt follow up with kick , he rather uses df or some other stuff , which is odd to me ... I guess inconsistance in his gameplay is what i dont like. On other hand watch BILL , his gameplay is fluid an every move he makes make sense ...

DoD is one of the biggest nukes we have atm, DoD on knocked down targets is part of our core burst rotation atm

if he's not kicking wizards in group pvp it's because the combo is so long it opens you up to being cced, so he usually spams dark flame (which is what we're meant to do when diving into lots of people)

watch the 1v1s and you'll see his gameplay is solid

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DoD is one of the biggest nukes we have atm, DoD on knocked down targets is part of our core burst rotation atm

if he's not kicking wizards in group pvp it's because the combo is so long it opens you up to being cced, so he usually spams dark flame (which is what we're meant to do when diving into lots of people)

watch the 1v1s and you'll see his gameplay is solid

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It's ok dude. some stuff might look unintentional or unnecesary but they ain't. U could argue X skill at X time is not optimal and sure dude. It's 6min long vid. I use hundreds of skills. Im human after all and make mistakes but what u think is a mistake isn't one. We most likely think and play way too diffrently for you to understand my logic/playstyle. Nothing wrong with that. Im doing great in-game. Hope you are aswell.

the kick isn't needed. u can just stinger > shadow eruption. dod doesn't have much value. doesn't hit hard. cc is bad for dmg follow ups without CD(shard,calamity). 

 

I sincerely hope you can take the criticism to use scattering shadow kick -> shadow eruption since it serves two purposes. The first is to grant you accuracy buff, and the second is the sheer amount of bonus damage from after floating the enemy with kick and getting the air attack proc from Shadow Eruption. True, you don't need to kick before shadow eruption, but with the animation cancel - you could of have kicked and shadow eruption in the same amount of time it takes for you to cast shadow eruption alone, so why not pick the choice that has more benefits?

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Can't say I get the sarcasm. You have really good stats, yet still can't kill more than a single target without shard explosion. In fact I think you killed only one single person without it up for the entire video, and that person was already softened and seemed to be lacking gear. Everything else you do is filler until explosion is back, or finishing off the mostly dead person following it. So..."Gief back 1 button bob gameplay. This class is 2 hard". Because you are technically capable of pulling off kills, everything is fine now?

Ok. If you and other top sorcs are enjoying that, and are somehow finding yourselves useful in node wars, good for you I suppose. I'll leave you to it.

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I sincerely hope you can take the criticism to use scattering shadow kick -> shadow eruption since it serves two purposes. The first is to grant you accuracy buff, and the second is the sheer amount of bonus damage from after floating the enemy with kick and getting the air attack proc from Shadow Eruption. True, you don't need to kick before shadow eruption, but with the animation cancel - you could of have kicked and shadow eruption in the same amount of time it takes for you to cast shadow eruption alone, so why not pick the choice that has more benefits?

I love constructive criticism. Means im doing something wrong and I can improve.

I do use scattering shadow > shadow eruption(2.38).Im even using it pre fight buffing. If theres people around me that can interrupt me i'll go for faster execution version stinger > shadow. for 1v1 purpose scattering shadow version is better. If I do stinger > dark flame > I dont have time to connect scattering so I have to go with kick > shadow

Theres huge diffrence in execution speed with stinger > f (orwithout) > shadow eruption

compared to stinger > delay delay scattering shadow > shadow eruption

If I do the scattering shadow version i've noticed it takes so long that it gives enough time for someone to react and peel me off my target. If I do stinger > shadow > e > f > blink to X direction > ranged finisher off ur choice(shard,abyssal flame,dod) seems to be most succesful skill order for me if I wanna execute 1 guy in middle of 10.

Can't say I get the sarcasm. You have really good stats, yet still can't kill more than a single target without shard explosion. In fact I think you killed only one single person without it up for the entire video, and that person was already softened and seemed to be lacking gear. Everything else you do is filler until explosion is back, or finishing off the mostly dead person following it. So..."Gief back 1 button bob gameplay. This class is 2 hard". Because you are technically capable of pulling off kills, everything is fine now?

Ok. If you and other top sorcs are enjoying that, and are somehow finding yourselves useful in node wars, good for you I suppose. I'll leave you to it.

Well I can't disagree with anything you said. 

I have decent gear and if this gear was on ranger/witch pressing 1 skill would do more dmg than 4-5 random sorc ones. I think 1 melee skill should do more dmg than ranged skill due to its nature.

Shard explosion is the only skill that actually does significant amount off damage. 

We could use a dmg buff on our other skills. or atleast make dark flame do "normal damage" 765% x 3 hits can't be 20dmg.

If our normal weapon remains as it is we will only be using utility/cc skills from amulet and dmg that kills stuff from scythe. atleast in pvp

 

 

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dude you need to learn the real air combo. ok after further review this is actually a good video quite compentent in the nature of mechanics of our combos. Need more e canceling to remove yourself from damage situations but otherwise pretty good. 

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But... I can kill as a warrior too. Does that mean they don't need to be buffed? These shit posts are just... I dunno. You're doing more harm than good xD 

Kinda like oneuproad and his "Warrior is weak" videos. His great videos got warriors nerfed even more. Rip juggling combos. 

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What's the combo you're doing? @ 2:45 for instance.

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It's ok dude. some stuff might look unintentional or unnecesary but they ain't. U could argue X skill at X time is not optimal and sure dude. It's 6min long vid. I use hundreds of skills. Im human after all and make mistakes but what u think is a mistake isn't one. We most likely think and play way too diffrently for you to understand my logic/playstyle. Nothing wrong with that. Im doing great in-game. Hope you are aswell.

the kick isn't needed. u can just stinger > shadow eruption. dod doesn't have much value. doesn't hit hard. cc is bad for dmg follow ups without CD(shard,calamity). 

 

I was thinking quite a bit about this discussion here and i figured that i am wrong at this instance , why is that , just because sorcs can be played like a dps class , use your abilities to melt enemy down and wait for good moment to finish it off with shard explosion or something else , or you can try to line up your cooldowns to land kill that way , and i guess both are fine , personally my preference is 2nd , but if it works why not , and I am not top sorc god tier , I still try to get my hands straight , anyways , i did not mean to be insulting in any way ... Have a good one ...

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What's the combo you're doing? @ 2:45 for instance.

thats the faster air combo into shard explosion. actually pretty perfect execution there

stinger > f > shadow eruption > e > f > shard explosion > instant dod > used stinger there to cancel pushback from dod(can be ult blink or rushing crow aswell)

stinger used at 2.46 combo ends 2.48. i'd say whole combo takes 2.5ish sec there.

comparing it to stinger > scattering version. this combo takes 3ish seconds from stinger to air combo ending.(no shards&dod)stinger > (wait for stinger animation ti finnish)

scattering shadow > shadow eruption > e > f > claw @ 2.35

But... I can kill as a warrior too. Does that mean they don't need to be buffed? These shit posts are just... I dunno. You're doing more harm than good xD 

Kinda like oneuproad and his "Warrior is weak" videos. His great videos got warriors nerfed even more. Rip juggling combos. 

Shitpost? Im sure someone learned something.

dude you need to learn the real air combo. ok after further review this is actually a good video quite compentent in the nature of mechanics of our combos. Need more e canceling to remove yourself from damage situations but otherwise pretty good. 

I don't understand what u mean with E canceling to get out from sticky situations. 

Usually if I wanna avoid dmg I rather blink out. If u mean E to cancel lets say Dream of Doom so you can blink out no. I have Night Crow Ultimate. 

I was thinking quite a bit about this discussion here and i figured that i am wrong at this instance , why is that , just because sorcs can be played like a dps class , use your abilities to melt enemy down and wait for good moment to finish it off with shard explosion or something else , or you can try to line up your cooldowns to land kill that way , and i guess both are fine , personally my preference is 2nd , but if it works why not , and I am not top sorc god tier , I still try to get my hands straight , anyways , i did not mean to be insulting in any way ... Have a good one ...

Im glad that you can admit when ur wrong. alot off people are incapable of doing so. 

"use your abilities to melt enemy down and wait for good moment to finish it off with shard explosion or something else , or you can try to line up your cooldowns to land kill that way "

I rather dish some dmg while im on CD. I try to be active and engaged in the fight all the time rather than lurking around all CDs ready looking for that 1 pick off. 

ur name doesn't fit ur prefered playstyle :P

 

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