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~98 Failstacking Attempts on +14 Gear For Failstacks - What Changed?

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After having almost 1600 armor stones and 640~ weapon stones, and about 100 shards I thought I was prepared for this update, but apparently not.  I've collected some numbers as to my failstacking attempts and I cannot understand how this is statistically possible?

I am using an entire gear set indiscriminately so I do these in batches of 4, they are all of blue quality.  On NA consistently I would hit 30+ failstacks enchanting my gear to 15 - so why not now?

I am getting consistent successes to 15 with under 10 failstacks, here are my results on 63 attempts (when I started counting)
 

attempt      failstacks succeeded to 15

13
25
35
45
58
65
78
85
96
105
117
127
1310
145
155
1616
173
188
197
207
215
225
238
2417
2515
267
274
284
299
308
316
325
332
341
358
367
379
3811
391
404
413
427
432
448
4515
4610
475
484
495
5013
518
527
531
542
557
565
573
5817
594
608
617
624
6312

That's 423 completely wasted armor stones, which equates to be about 90mil after taxes, and that's not including my failures before I started counting (NOT INCLUDING REPAIR COSTS).  The cost isn't so much the issue, rather the very frustrating system designed around failing.

**this does not include my successes, the highest I ever got was 18 and stopped at around 15 failstacks at each point after that.

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Try getting failstacks on horse armor. that shit never succeeds. 

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Are you building stacks to 15 from zero or degrading 15 to 14 on neg karma alt ?

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Try getting failstacks on horse armor. that shit never succeeds. 

I am likely going to start trying rifles as well, I just hate the idea of using weapon stones ( ͡T ͜ʖ ͡T)

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I'd personally advice to you get a lottery ticket asap because this is just wrong :D

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Are you building stacks to 15 from zero or degrading 15 to 14 on neg karma alt ?

Losing them on a negative Karma alt...

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Try getting failstacks on horse armor. that shit never succeeds. 

Agreed. Reblath -> 15 then +9 horse gear -> 25. Did this 4 times last night.

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Losing them on a negative Karma alt...

And this shit is fcked up also. Had to die 23 times to get a piece of taritas degrade to +14. 

Post related: i start building failstacks on a reblath +14 armor. When i hit 10-12 stacks i switch to a taritas helmet +14. I usually stop at about 22-23 stacks.

But this system is so crap. And not beacause of the blackstones numbers u use but because the time u lose.

Spent 6 hours to get my grunil set and off hand duo and my liverto to tri, half of the time failstacking, the other half suiciding on my alt. Fml.

Edited by metaxa1331

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i don't mind failstacking, but the suiciding time-sink is pretty bad.

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Try getting failstacks on horse armor. that shit never succeeds. 

Not anymore. I've gotten around 5 sets of horse gear to 10 without going pass 13 stacks on any level.

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Not anymore. I've gotten around 5 sets of horse gear to 10 without going pass 13 stacks on any level.

oh damn that sucks if they changed it. 

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I am likely going to start trying rifles as well, I just hate the idea of using weapon stones ( ͡T ͜ʖ ͡T)

I wouldn't, after +6 rifles have a chance degrade. Consumes a lot of fail stacks and weapon stones and you never get anywhere. Not worth it.

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I wouldn't, after +6 rifles have a chance degrade. Consumes a lot of fail stacks and weapon stones and you never get anywhere. Not worth it.

And so it begins, let the razor blades fall like rain upon my shattered wrists xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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Try getting failstacks on horse armor. that shit never succeeds. 

Still RNG !!! Try 3x horse armor (horseshoes) and NEVER get more that 17 fail stack (last try from 8-9 on 1 failetack and 9-10 on 3 failestack). Try green, blue, yellow and nothing... cannot get more that 17... got lucky +5 wichout gear and pots... maybe lucky give more chance (sucess) and less filestack.

Edited by Niebieski

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If they made absolutely everything easier to enchant then this would be a very good thing as getting your gear up would be cheaper. If it's just some things (that you don't really want) that are easier while thouse Liverto/Kzarka/Ogre Rings are still hard then this is a very bad thing.

Of course it could all just be random, for everyone that can't get a failstack above 10 there is someone who can get 30 easy. Personally, I stopped bothering with reblath a long time ago, it has ALWAYS been too easy to succeed with it.

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Yes, too much time-sink. The thought that I could come home from work and use my whole day trying to get stacks and getting no where is off putting.

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And so it begins, let the razor blades fall like rain upon my shattered wrists xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I've gone back to horse gear for now, there's 4 horse gear workshops in Altinova and with gobbos you can churn the stuff out pretty fast. Some is cheaper to make than others, but if you go for the cheapest (Steel Battle Horseshoe maybe?) - there will be a lot listed +10 at a price that will never sell. I usually just pull my stones out at that point. Hardly cost effective, but if I'm getting the stacks I need, then so be it.

However, I've found things succeeding more often than before, so we might all be doomed D:

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Not anymore. I've gotten around 5 sets of horse gear to 10 without going pass 13 stacks on any level.

last night I couldn't get more than 4 stacks on a horse shoe :( least I have a few +10 to sell now.

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Quite the case just to buy everything eh?

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I really don't see the downside of succeeding on your enchants lol. If it's so easy to get +15 items sell them or extract the stones and get back 40-50. The only way succeeding is bad, is if you're pushing the stacks too high and never switching to alts getting nothing for your investment.

One part of the community says buy all your +15 items because it's cheaper than enchanting. While another part is saying it's too easy to enchant and it's a bad thing. It all sounds ridiculous and tells me there is a good balance..

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I wonder if the "Valk's Cry" tip at the bottom of the enhancement menu had something to do with the lower fail-stack chance? I know the staff officially stated that Valk's Cry wont be put into the game, but it seems possible that the decrease in fail-stacks is a remnant of the Korean version of the game where they do have this item. I can bet that this isn't intended, and it's another one of those miscommunication between the developers and publishers. 

Just a hunch.

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the only way that I found to get Failstack were this stupid method

change to Mediah E2 and enchant a Zereth Helmet with an Alter
that doesn't have any gear
Lv 17

the only way that I got 16 failstacks...

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If you're really SO lucky, why do you want failstacks?

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I have my neg karma alt at altinova warehouse , if i suceed to 15, i let the guards kill me. It takes 1-5x to go back to 14.

And im like 30m from warehoue so its fast.

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It's cheaper and easier to just get 5 to 10 stacks then just start trying for pri or duo at this point unless you are dealing with boss armor or Livertos. 

I will continue to scratch my head as I watch people spend 50 million or more in black stones and repair gear to get to some percived safe failstack level.  You can easily just preorder like 10 hard stones and either get a few pri or duos or at least have 30 failstacks at the cost people are spending on trying to get failstacks.  

 

Edited by Ladon

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