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If value packs 30% marketplace boost stays..

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If you dont want to quit then dont quit. Don't threaten to quit. Don't say you should give me my money back.  If the game is amazing then why do a couple cash shop items make you hate the game? Are they going to Affect you THAT much? Doubtful 

I already explained you WHY. And it doesn't make us hate the game. It makes it much less enjoyable and much more expensive.

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THe Value pack has boost 30% in marketplace collecting, but ... it's not real p2w.

P2W means always: no need to work. Buy nice weapon directly from shop and you're instant stronger than before. Only it costs you pretty much real money. Instant good stuff to win many battle.

But 30% collection is not automatic win. You need walk to NPC, you must still collect items from battles and sell it in marketplace. So there is still work needed or you won't get much.

Compare it with player who has too much time. He will grind more and sell many items (and craft many too). The result of hard work, he gained many money.

Which means i cannot put "P2W" mark yet on BDO. It's just make some things little easier, but no direct win.
Potions are same thing: it will make things little easier.

The Value Pack is not instant win. It makes the things only little easy. You can do more, gain more money, wear more stuff in inventory, store more stuff.... But nothing immediately dangerous in the battles.

 

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THe Value pack has boost 30% in marketplace collecting, but ... it's not real p2w.

P2W means always: no need to work. Buy nice weapon directly from shop and you're instant stronger than before. Only it costs you pretty much real money. Instant good stuff to win many battle.

Thats just your definiton of pay to win. Mine is when you pay money to get an advantage. When you pay money for non-cosmetic items. Items which you can't get without paying money. Would players also buy items if its only cosmetic? I doubt! Did you see the QQ when they reworked the ghillie? OMG no don't do this we paid money QQ. Do you know waht I mean? They want to get an advantage for their money. They actually pay money to be better than others. This is what pay to win means for me.

 

The cash shop is already pay to win for me. You pay for an advantage. As long as it doesn't affect the gamepaly that much most people don't care. Some started to make new creations of pay to win by naming it pay to process or pay to advance. Whatever you want to call it as long as you pay money for an advantage its pay to win. They keep adding more and more pay to win items. If this keeps going we will heave heavy pay to win soon.

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What I don't like about this introduction is the time chosen.

I just spend 30 Euros for the game and there was no subscription, so I spend a few hundred Euros for costumes and what so ever to support a game I like.

Now after several months they add this kind of mandatory premium membership on top of the high cash shop prices.

And, if you want to play competitive you need to buy this Value Pack...

Edited by Mr.Drown

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^

If you didn't want to quit you wouldn't quit.

people are grasping for straws to ----- about this game some of us have been waiting for for years, and gladly fund for those of you who seemingly have nothing to fund it with so shit man. Give me a -----ing break lmao.

I used to think you were smart. Very disappointed with you, War.

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I used to think you were smart. Very disappointed with you, War.

Noted.
If you're not going to take the time to figure out whether or not I am or not, I don't want to have time for a conversation about it.

I don't have time for people who don't and aren't willing to do their own work every once and a while in my life.
Too busy coming up bro.

Sorry.

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I don't have time for people who don't and aren't willing to do their own work every once and a while in my life.
Too busy coming up bro.

What the hell are you talking about? 

Edited by Dragoon

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Game still has horrible desync, bugs exist everywhere. At least we can now give Daum more money guys.

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What the hell are you talking about? 

I used to think you were smart. Very disappointed with you, War.

Implying I'm not now, though my stance on this is based on fact and knowledge regarding how this system works.
But people ignore it, because they are too caught up in their distaste with how things LOOK to them.

But hey. If you don't THINK i'm smart now, you're entitled to that.

Cheers. Gotta ride home.

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LOL! 30% in fake currency is really worth all these tears.

Abuse of the phrase "pay2win" is strong with this community.

Edited by Baby

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Implying I'm not now, though my stance on this is based on fact and knowledge regarding how this system works.But people ignore it, because they are too caught up in their distaste with how things LOOK to them.

But hey. If you don't THINK i'm smart now, you're entitled to that.

Cheers. Gotta ride home.

I know the facts as well. I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on what P2W is and isn't. However, I think I can differentiate between a company trying to retain integrity and a company trying to cash out. It doesn't take a genius to see that.

If you think for one second that Daum is not trying to incentivize people to spend pearls in order to make roughly 20% more silver, then you are an idiot.

If you think other people who find a problem with this are all being irrational, then you are an idiot. 

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LOL! 30% in fake currency is really worth all these tears.

Abuse of the phrase "pay2win" is strong with this community.

if you are crafter then its not 20,30% its 200,300% more income you clueless idiot...

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I know the facts as well. I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on what P2W is and isn't. However, I think I can differentiate between a company trying to retain integrity and a company trying to cash out. It doesn't take a genius to see that.

If you think for one second that Daum is not trying to incentivize people to spend pearls in order to make roughly 20% more silver, then you are an idiot.

If you think other people who find a problem with this are all being irrational, then you are an idiot. 

A lot of us were already paying 1000 pearls just for monthly access to the beauty tab so 500 extra is hardly breaking the bank for all these features. I don't see how they're trying to "cash out" when they're not selling fully upgraded gear in the store or max level boosts. Relax?

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Be smart, save all of your items up you want to sell, then use FREE loyalty to purchase a day one and sell everything at once when you got 50+ items...

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A lot of us were already paying 1000 pearls just for monthly access to the beauty tab so 500 extra is hardly breaking the bank for all these features. I don't see how they're trying to "cash out" when they're not selling fully upgraded gear in the store or max level boosts. Relax?

speak for yourself? 

I don't care if it's 50c imo its p2w.

----- off.

Be smart, save all of your items up you want to sell, then use FREE loyalty to purchase a day one and sell everything at once when you got 50+ items...

I would do this, but I don't think I can even stomach playing at this point. This is just too much of a blatant insult.

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and so the cry goes....."IT'S NOT FAIR!!!"    Do you honestly care about that crap....do you really feel resentment because someone makes more money than you?   How do you deal with that in Real Life?  
That is the cry of a generation brought up to think that everything has to be fair.  Everyone gets a trophy, everyone gets to participate, everyone gets the same no matter how good or how crappy they play.

For heaven sakes quit worrying that the guy has 100 million and he might get more.  Play your own game .   Quit dwelling on the negative and have a good time.   If you aren't having a good time then quit and do something else.  You guys are like little kids looking over at the other kids candy and crying "he has more than me!!!".   The people who have alot of silver have earned it.  I don't care if you "work for a living"  and "have a real life", you don't get what they get.  If you want that then you will have to do what they do.  If you can't then you will have to learn to live without.

It's just the way it is.

BTW I LOVE the Valu Pack and I will happily pay my money every month for eye candy.   I have a great game and I honestly couldn't care less what other people have and make.

I bet I am a lot happier person than you are.

 

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Question is...if I sell something expensive, can I then use one of these items after the fact and receive 20% more money?  Or do I have to have the effect going when the item sells?  Because if its the former I might just only collect money from large sales once every two weeks and use the loyalty Value Pack.

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speak for yourself? 

I don't care if it's 50c imo its p2w.

----- off.

I would do this, but I don't think I can even stomach playing at this point. This is just too much of a blatant insult.

LOL no one was speaking for you and you don't know what pay2win even means. Stay mad about it. It's purely cosmetic, moron. Pay2Win is an advantage over another player in exchange for money. Go play Pokemon Go.

You whiners are so freaking stupid it hurts. Dye is currently FREE all you have to do is spend loyalty for it. No one is making you spend anything. You idiots cry any time anything is added to the cash shop because you can't have everything for free.

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Question is...if I sell something expensive, can I then use one of these items after the fact and receive 20% more money?  Or do I have to have the effect going when the item sells?  Because if its the former I might just only collect money from large sales once every two weeks and use the loyalty Value Pack.

Due to the way the 30% market collection increase works, you actually only need to have the buff active when you collect the money, not when the item gets sold.

It is a 30% increase in collected money from sales, NOT a 30% reduction in taxes, and doesn't show up until after you click collect.

E.G., you sell a glass of water for 100 silvers. With or without the buff, when you go to collect it will say you are collecting 65 silvers. However, if you have the buff, you will receive 30% more silver than stated when you click collect, which means 84.5 (or 84, since I believe it rounds fractions down).

You receive a 30% increase to the SALE price, not a reduction in tax, so it's actually a much smaller bonus than it seems. This is because 30% of your collected amount will always be smaller than the 30% of the total value removed by taxes at the time of the sale.

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LOL no one was speaking for you and you don't know what pay2win even means. Stay mad about it. It's purely cosmetic, moron. Pay2Win is an advantage over another player in exchange for money. Go play Pokemon Go.

You whiners are so freaking stupid it hurts. Dye is currently FREE all you have to do is spend loyalty for it. No one is making you spend anything. You idiots cry any time anything is added to the cash shop because you can't have everything for free.

I never said you were speaking for me did I?

Did I say that once? Let me go read my post again.

Oh look, I never said anything of the sort, only that you were speaking for people other than yourself which you were. Stupid.

How is a 30% marketplace sale increase cosmetic?

Ah. Got it. You're retarded.

Say no more.

 

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shit they didnt flip it with the PvP penalty removal.. and this aint nearly blown up as big.. the door stays open though so im sure ull be back

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Just to clarify again, the 30% bonus applies to the sale amount, which is already 35% less than the marketplace value.

This means you actually reduce the tax by 19.5%, not 30%, or 11.5% less than people have assumed.

This is a significant difference for people with small profit margins (crafters, etc.)

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I never said you were speaking for me did I?

Did I say that once? Let me go read my post again.

Oh look, I never said anything of the sort, only that you were speaking for people other than yourself which you were. Stupid.

How is a 30% marketplace sale increase cosmetic?

Ah. Got it. You're retarded.

Say no more.

 

Wow first you ignore the point and then you latch on to the one thing you definitely DID say and claim you didn't. You think I'm "retarded"? You're special... Have fun with Pokemon Go. Not surprising that you don't have any money, you sound about 8 years old. So cute.

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I know the facts as well. I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on what P2W is and isn't. However, I think I can differentiate between a company trying to retain integrity and a company trying to cash out. It doesn't take a genius to see that.

If you think for one second that Daum is not trying to incentivize people to spend pearls in order to make roughly 20% more silver, then you are an idiot.

If you think other people who find a problem with this are all being irrational, then you are an idiot. 

Not once have I said anything that goes against anything you've just said. And if this is what you've gathered from my posts, you're an idiot.

Remember, you have to READ my posts to understand my points.

You are right, people are entitled to their EDUCATED opinion. An uneducated opinion is worthless, a set back. What's the point in allowing something like this to exist.

My biggest problem has been, and will be, people taking terms that they assume "everyone else understands" and appending their own custom linux flavor to the term then getting upset and calling others idiots because they can't -----ing read minds.

I don't know where this "definition(s)" of pay to win came from.
The defacto standard I recognize it as is the only one that it makes sense existing as- If you're paying to win, you win.

-----ing English. Basic -----ing English. I suck at English and even I can see this. (Even though that statement is bullshit fallacy, ima use it cause ----- it).
Why take a definition as simple as that and make it all this complex personalized shit?

Oh, fallacy. that's why.

 

Anyways. None of my points(I don't think) have targeted any of the subjective shit you've mentioned.
I do ack that daum is trying to incentive people to spend pearls. - Do you want new content?

I do not think that all other people that have an issue with this are being irrational. Please look at my posts on this subject. I've agreed with the ones I find aren't -----ing stupid degenerates, and where that is my opinion, generally those I agree with know how the game works.

 

People are not entitled to their opinion on what P2W is.
That makes no -----ing sense.

But hey, if you want to live in a society that thinks like that by all means. You're entitled to. Ima keep pushing to shut it down on my favorite games' forums though. I don't appreciate people shitting where I enjoy my free time.

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Remember guys archeage wasn't pay to win............. hahahaha.

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