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Daum/Pearl Abyss are pretty smart

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-Smuggle in a "p2w" item with hyped classes to mask said item. 

-Lock threads but don't openly say anything for at least a day just to "test the waters"

-Build trust by saying such items have no place in "our" version

-Continue to slide in more p2w features as people either quit or just stop caring

-Go f2p a few months later to rebuild player retention 

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Lets all forget about the merge with Kakao

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Lets all forget about the merge with Kakao

I thought Kakao was just a name change? Even so I doubt they had anything to do with it and this is working as intended original by Pearl. 

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9.5 billion USD... jesus.. wonder how many bheg gloves they can buy....

All that dye fam. 

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-Smuggle in a "p2w" item with hyped classes to mask said item. 

-Lock threads but don't openly say anything for at least a day just to "test the waters"

-Build trust by saying such items have no place in "our" version

-Continue to slide in more p2w features as people either quit or just stop caring

-Go f2p a few months later to rebuild player retention 

The blueprint was there, only needed some slight tweaking. I guess time will tell who wore it better though, Daum/PA or Trion/XL

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All that dye fam. 

but now with the new and shiny MEVS PALETTE aint no body gonna buy dat old rng dyes

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You forgot the most important thing. Release it right after forced refunds are impossible.

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I was expecting that but not that early so had a fun time in this game first they ignored my mimi as a warrior than they -----in released p2w ty Daum i gonna see how much i can recharge on my account

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I was expecting that but not that early so had a fun time in this game first they ignored my mimi as a warrior than they -----in released p2w ty Daum i gonna see how much i can recharge on my account

How do you chargeback? Is it a long process? If so I won't bother. 

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I was expecting that but not that early so had a fun time in this game first they ignored my mimi as a warrior than they -----in released p2w ty Daum i gonna see how much i can recharge on my account

Sadly, they dont care. There is lot of people sepnding hundreds to thousands on pixels. If you are not happy, dont play. Only thing which can change their minds are customers who pay. But they are still here and will be here.

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How do you chargeback? Is it a long process? If so I won't bother. 

i'm in contact with paypal and i gonna check my rights first but ye i can pretty much recharge everything with paypal

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I was expecting that but not that early so had a fun time in this game first they ignored my mimi as a warrior than they -----in released p2w ty Daum i gonna see how much i can recharge on my account

No, you're not. You're going to continue playing like a good little goy. 

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i'm in contact with paypal and i gonna check my rights first but ye i can pretty much recharge everything with paypal

Please keep us updated on this, preferably with proof if things turn out in your favor. If Paypal decides that Daum broke their end of the contract, it could have a really significant impact on things moving forward.

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----- I didn't use paypal but my normal credit card. I'd hate having to go through my bank. 

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Well thing is wallet warriors will not play game if rest players are leaving game... Thats why f2p will come in 4,5 months max...

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They didn't break any terms.  Verbal or otherwise.  You checked agree when you loaded this game up saying they can do whatever they want with it and you are not entitled to anything.
It's actually fraud what many of you are trying to do regardless of if paypal allows it or not.  And IF PA wanted to they could deny each one of these charge backs.  I just dont think they care because they are raking in the money regardless of you quitting and charging back.

I'm not saying otherwise. However, TOS are rarely that straightforward, and often have loopholes. If Paypal's legal team finds such a loophole, they would probably be more than happy to do a chargeback, as they'd still make money off of it.

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At this point I'm contemplating taking a break from the game if Value Pack stays in the game. Over the past few months, I have defended against the P2W arguments on ghillie, dye system and many others. I cannot defend this one as it is P2W and very much so.  A doubling in crafting, alchemy, cooking profit is not a "small advantage". Many players are fixated on the "30%", but when you do the math you will quickly realize that the advantage is astronomical.
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/103618-market-math-on-the-new-value-pack

I am sure the people working there are amazing people and recently we have seen amazing improvement in the community relations. I was really hopeful for the development of the game up until yesterday. Now I am sad and disappointed. Another part of the company have prioritized short term profit over long term health of the playerbase. At this point I hope that @CM_Aethon and @CM_Tytyes will vehemently defend against this change. This is the first time I linked the CM in any of my post, as I respect their inbox. I am sure they are closely examining the community reaction right now. Anything dealing with money is a thorny concern, so I wish them the best of luck as they are our only hope within Daum. 

 

Edit: IF I ask the community: Do you think making twice the silver in exchange for a monthly subscription is P2W. I think majority will say yes. But when you say a 30% tax reduction, it seems a lot less. But the two are equally valid statements presented in a different fashion. 

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People don't really care about the value packs, its just something fresh for you wanks to ----- about.

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They didn't break any terms.  Verbal or otherwise.  You checked agree when you loaded this game up saying they can do whatever they want with it and you are not entitled to anything.
It's actually fraud what many of you are trying to do regardless of if paypal allows it or not.  And IF PA wanted to they could deny each one of these charge backs.  I just dont think they care because they are raking in the money regardless of you quitting and charging back.

this.  

 

if you do charge back, you will likely get away with it, but please don't act like you're a victim.  You waived your right to a refund the second you logged in, you're committing fraud plain and simple.

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People don't really care about the value packs, its just something fresh for you wanks to ----- about.

Excuse me, some of us very much cares about this. 

Frankly, I did not think ghillie or dye system was P2W. I did not wine about the PvP change nor the DF issue.  But I am and have been vehemently arguing this one because of the ability to make twice as much profit from all life skills. As a KR player, I also understand the implications moving forward with alchemy stones. 

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Excuse me, some of us very much cares about this. 

Frankly, I did not think ghillie or dye system was P2W. I did not wine about the PvP change nor the DF issue.  But I am and have been vehemently arguing this one because of the ability to make twice as much profit from all life skills. As a KR player, I also understand the implications moving forward with alchemy stones. 

Oh it is so outrageous that there is an item that is the equivalent of a monthly subscription.

Either use it or don't, but acting like it is the end of the world is disingenuous.

It is actually better than a monthly sub, because if you don't play for a few months they don't keep charging you.

Also, its not like you can't store the stuff you want to sell and get the 1 day loyalty version and reap the same benefit.

I guess that just never occurred to you right?

Edited by Kelticfury

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