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Value Pack Discussions

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Value Pack is fine as-is.  So many are using it and happy with it (the way it is) and do not bother coming here to the forums to cry.

Actually, can you add a horse-whistle onto the value pack as well @PM_Jouska?  It would be perfect then.

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its So Simple :

Remove 30%

Reduce pack for 200-300 loyalti

Remove or reduce Fishing Costume(WTF? you Swim Faster than Fishing boat?and So low stamina consume)

Remove This Proccesing Costume(WTF? slighty increase success and you do proccesing Whole Materials in banks?)

Please Add Some GOOOOOOD LOOKING ARMORS in game ..not Just Cash shop

Remove that buffs from Desert things(35% pet.. 30% costume= 65%  REALLY?)

Remove Cant see names and info from those 2 Costume(they kill you even you Notice it)

ALso if you want Iventory slot/Weight .. ITS PAIN..( Also if want get from Loyalti..ITS HURT..1000 loyati(10day) for 1 slot)

DAUM COIN ITS SO EXPENSIVE(atleast decrease it 50%=1000 daum=5$)

                                                                   IN THE END

Rich Players Just for Second.. just for Second Become Poor Player and Cant Pay Money for Cash Items

 Just Feel What We Feel For One Second

 

 

LOLOLOLOL.

 

 

 

Look for a real JOB.

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 Value Pack  is not that bad tho, but maybe 1000 perls would be best?

then the game be more like subscription. People cry about its pay to win but its not.

But this bag should been prolly been here from start of the game, maybe had been better.

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they cant change prices nice, since many have paid or people will want refunds 

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they cant change prices nice, since many have paid or people will want refunds 

why should they refund for something u alrdy paid? and used?
1. change price to 1k-1,3k perls since evry sub game isnt more expensive!


2. remove the AH tax at all...  or remove it and exchange it to monthly costume (rnd for ur class maybe?)

Then invest that into learning how to type correctly and spell ..... 57,49 Euro per hour and you are this uneducated ??

haha... its not my language..

1. my education isnt anything u have to care about (i dont think u are doing ur dr. work on maths...? so u probably well under educated compared to me...(if u are then sry...)

2. the game is going to be p2w anyway. why not just start now ;)?

3. start writing something usefull instad of trying to haras people... lol

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 Value Pack  is not that bad tho, but maybe 1000 perls would be best?

then the game be more like subscription. People cry about its pay to win but its not.

But this bag should been prolly been here from start of the game, maybe had been better.

What do you mean with "its not p2w" You pay real money wich is converted into extra in game silver through the auction house. In game silver is used to pay for better gear, better tools etc.

This is the definition of p2w.

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@PM_Jouska If thats all you have to say about that topic then i guess that you where knowingly feeding us wrong information. The topic to which you replyed on February 5th was about whether there will be a premium subscription for BDO. So you should have made it more clear in the origional post from February that you where not awnsering the question at hand but talking about an different topic.

As it stands right now it looks a lot like you and the developers where trying to misslead us players by giving us wrong information about their plans!

Do you really think that a game that evolves as quickly as this one has... doesn't have things change over the course of five months?

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Greeting Adventurers,

 

Following this week's scheduled maintenance, with the introduction of the Value Package, there has been an outpouring of comments, criticism, feedback, and suggestions.  Of course these discussions have brought many valid points from multiple perspectives. Our Community Managers have been working diligently to keep up with the rush of threads, posts, and private messages.  We want you to know that this has not fallen on deaf ears, and we will be taking your messages to the developers in order to find a suitable resolution.  We have seen many proposed solutions and suggestions, all of which are being noted. 

 

-The BDO Team

Removing the tax exemption of 30% would probably earn a value pack purchase from me. 

It feels misleading to say that people will earn more from an item they're selling on the marketplace when really, they were never going to earn that money anyhow. To give them that tax reduction would mean that they simply get more money than they would've because they bought something with actual currency.

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What do you mean with "its not p2w" You pay real money wich is converted into extra in game silver through the auction house. In game silver is used to pay for better gear, better tools etc.

This is the definition of p2w.

Then WoW is paytowin too and all other games for that matter

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I really feel the value pack should be insentivised with reduced cost of store items if you have the one that costs pearls and not the loyalty version. An example would be, someone who shows an interest in being a recurring every month spender that is willing to chuck the 15$ a month at the game, should get a reduced cost of costumes or whatever they are interest in from the store while they have their monthly subscription, but player B might not be inteersted in the long term investment and just want that shiny new costume for his character so he will pay the 30$ for it, but player A is already investing 15$ a month so possibly give him a 15-25%(the number is placeholder and whatever you feel is appropriate) discount. It will insentivise players to spend a recurring fee and bring in a constant and consistent cash flow rather than a sperratic influx in costume sales for new costumes.

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Well I bought the pack because I do not have so much time to play, and needed a bit of money, in order to Keep up with my friends...

If you remove the 30% Tax, that is fine, then add 30% more silver from mob kills or whatever.

Time = money, if players do not have so much time, they should be allowed to compensate this with money.

I am not saying that someone should pay 50.- bucks to get best in Slot or what so every, however market Prices got more and more expansive and Players only playing 2 hours a day can hardly effort to buy anything....

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Well I bought the pack because I do not have so much time to play, and needed a bit of money, in order to Keep up with my friends...

If you remove the 30% Tax, that is fine, then add 30% more silver from mob kills or whatever.

Time = money, if players do not have so much time, they should be allowed to compensate this with money.

I am not saying that someone should pay 50.- bucks to get best in Slot or what so every, however market Prices got more and more expansive and Players only playing 2 hours a day can hardly effort to buy anything....

If now, compared to others, u don't make much within these 2 hours, u still wont be making much with the 30% because everyone else around you will make more money as well. Because everyone who cares about progression will get the pack.

If you want to compete you'll either have to play more or find a more efficient way to make money within those 2 hours a day. Else you want p2w to be able to keep up. Not all games are for everyone, find something else that fits your time schedule more instead of ruining the experience for the rest that don't have or don't want to spend the extra money to progress. Pay your own bills and leave your pc on 24/7 afk fishing / workers if you want to make more money.

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I love reading the forums, it is the Freepers who cry so much, I am sorry you can not afford the extras i this game being of a fixed income you think you could relate to Damnh asking for cash in cash shop lol

they are only trying to maintain a stream if income for their employees and company, if game opens to "free" the cash shop would explode, with the Buy to play and cash shop, you can be thankful this game is not sold to the elite of 100$ or more however it was sold for 30 lowest.

so you have no pets, you can not gain silver as fast, so you are salty, go tell mom that the Pirate was mean to you and you want a lolly 

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I love reading the forums, it is the Freepers who cry so much, I am sorry you can not afford the extras i this game being of a fixed income you think you could relate to Damnh asking for cash in cash shop lol

they are only trying to maintain a stream if income for their employees and company, if game opens to "free" the cash shop would explode, with the Buy to play and cash shop, you can be thankful this game is not sold to the elite of 100$ or more however it was sold for 30 lowest.

so you have no pets, you can not gain silver as fast, so you are salty, go tell mom that the Pirate was mean to you and you want a lolly 

would happly pay 15$ a month to play a game without a cash shop, that sells things other then cosmetics. Would happly go back to Archeage if i could pay a sub fee and have access to everything but cosmetics. This game never hasent been something im not willing to pay to play. Till now, I see a premium sub and Im more inclined not to pay from hear on out. Id rather not get bit again. It starts here and it could get worse, maby it does maby it dosent but ive already been burned plenty in the past. If you want the ultimate flavor pack optional subscription, fine by me. But put something detramental to the game in it, and you can count me jolly well out.

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Interesting article here.  That is what this is all about really.  What is the accepted definition of pay to win. 

http://game-wisdom.com/critical/defining-pay-to-win

Condensed version is focus on the point that all player cannot get/achieve the item through normal means.  Since in this case, the contention of extra silver, is obtainable by all by either a) cash or b) time playing then THIS DOES NOT qualify as pay to win.  Really the definition of this becomes pay for convenience.

Logic goes:

- I have no funds for 15 a month due to life circumstances so I will EARN my extra silver through grind.

- I have funds, and can pay 15 a month to conveniently make some small difference in keeping up with others

Of course the anomaly of the mamas kids who have no job AND get to use moms funds exist.  Hmmm is that an exploit?  I would bet mom might think so... xD

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What do you mean with "its not p2w" You pay real money wich is converted into extra in game silver through the auction house. In game silver is used to pay for better gear, better tools etc.

This is the definition of p2w.

You're kidding!? 

So is ESO(Elder Scrolls Online) also pay to win? They have the same model as BDO does and I don't see one person complaining. 

Also you forget the fact, if they don't go out to grind then what can they sell? You would still have to put the same leg work as someone who doesn't have the pack.

Come on now.

 

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What do you mean with "its not p2w" You pay real money wich is converted into extra in game silver through the auction house. In game silver is used to pay for better gear, better tools etc.

This is the definition of p2w.

Not really you still have to work hard to get items that you need.

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Nothing is free even if you buy the pack lol

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If now, compared to others, u don't make much within these 2 hours, u still wont be making much with the 30% because everyone else around you will make more money as well. Because everyone who cares about progression will get the pack.

If you want to compete you'll either have to play more or find a more efficient way to make money within those 2 hours a day. Else you want p2w to be able to keep up. Not all games are for everyone, find something else that fits your time schedule more instead of ruining the experience for the rest that don't have or don't want to spend the extra money to progress. Pay your own bills and leave your pc on 24/7 afk fishing / workers if you want to make more money.

Your comment deserves a clap. *clapping*

Sure cause telling someone who bought the game, same as you, to play another game.

Also how is he/she ruining your gaming experience? 

On the contrary he can do A LOT in those two hours, that's more than enough time to make some silver in this game.

What I got from this is YOU play this game non-stop with little to no income to buy said pack, while the guy you were talking to has a steady income and hardly any time to play can buy it.

I'm starting to think 90% of the people in these forums don't have a job. Hate me if you want.

 

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Your comment deserves a clap. *clapping*

Sure cause telling someone who bought the game, same as you, to play another game.

Also how is he/she ruining your gaming experience? 

On the contrary he can do A LOT in those two hours, that's more than enough time to make some silver in this game.

What I got from this is YOU play this game non-stop with little to no income to buy said pack, while the guy you were talking to has a steady income and hardly any time to play can buy it.

I'm starting to think 90% of the people in these forums don't have a job. Hate me if you want.

 

I'm a college student with a part time job, i play the game 'non stop' only during summer break. I can afford the pack as I've paid over 200 euros on the game already, used to pay subscriptions for games like wow etc. Your post is invalid. but of course, i could be lying, the internet is a beautiful place.

The problem is i payed for a B2P game not a subscription based game and I want it to be this way, sure they dont FORCE us to pay 15euro a month but if you want to keep up you have to buy it. Since i'm using the pack myself (the free one they gave us) I'm already making almost double the income daily from crafting. Im not against the value pack, just the 30% as it seems too much of a moneymaker compared to the rest bonuses.

Also its the internet, everyone can lie about having a job, making a lot of money, or being an adult. I stop arguing. We have different opinions and that's about it, end of discussion.

The "you don't have a job" argument is overflowing around and I'm thinking people who use it don't have a job themselves.

And last, if i play the game non stop why wouldn't i want the pack? Hell i'd make so much more money than everyone no one would even come close, especially the people who have jobs.

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Your comment deserves a clap. *clapping*

Sure cause telling someone who bought the game, same as you, to play another game.

Also how is he/she ruining your gaming experience? 

On the contrary he can do A LOT in those two hours, that's more than enough time to make some silver in this game.

What I got from this is YOU play this game non-stop with little to no income to buy said pack, while the guy you were talking to has a steady income and hardly any time to play can buy it.

I'm starting to think 90% of the people in these forums don't have a job. Hate me if you want.

 

 

What's interesting in your reply is that you're basically saying: telling people to play another game isn't nice.

Well then...

Likewise forcing people to pay even *further* to play this game, under the comments of "GTFO" or "get a job" or "if you can't afford 15$€ MORE for this game then you shouldn't be playing this in the first place" is not very nice either.

 

*further* meaning: The game was advertised as B2P not as a subscription game. The game has an expensive cash shop (i'm not arguing the price just stating facts) which would be acceptable... in a game without sub. Now they're basically adding a subscription to the game. In Korea it is basically required that you have it or you fall behind bigtime.

 

Do forgive me for not sharing the dream of turning BDO into a premium-exclusive VIP 5* p2win casino game.

 

 

"I'm starting to think 90% of the people in these forums don't have a job. Hate me if you want."

we are all free to think whatever we want, doesn't mean we're right though

I do hate... your char's hair :P

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I'm a college student with a part time job, i play the game 'non stop' only during summer break. I can afford the pack as I've paid over 200 euros on the game already, used to pay subscriptions for games like wow etc. Your post is invalid. but of course, i could be lying, the internet is a beautiful place.

The problem is i payed for a B2P game not a subscription based game and I want it to be this way, sure they dont FORCE us to pay 15euro a month but if you want to keep up you have to buy it. Since i'm using the pack myself (the free one they gave us) I'm already making almost double the income daily from crafting. Im not against the value pack, just the 30% as it seems too much of a moneymaker compared to the rest bonuses.

Also its the internet, everyone can lie about having a job, making a lot of money, or being an adult. I stop arguing. We have different opinions and that's about it, end of discussion.

The "you don't have a job" argument is overflowing around and I'm thinking people who use it don't have a job themselves.

And last, if i play the game non stop why wouldn't i want the pack? Hell i'd make so much more money than everyone no one would even come close, especially the people who have jobs.

Value Pack is Optional not Required. No one is forcing you to buy it. Only reason you feel that way is because you read that it gives those without the Pack a "unfair advantage" which isn't true. 

I do, however, sympathize with you. Played FFXIV during college and that was a REQUIRED sub to play. This is not the case here. 

Also if I had the time to play my liverto would be Tri by now but no it's only +13, I've been here since Early Access for Conq. Pack.

 

What's interesting in your reply is that you're basically saying: telling people to play another game isn't nice.

Well then...

Likewise forcing people to pay even *further* to play this game, under the comments of "GTFO" or "get a job" or "if you can't afford 15$€ MORE for this game then you shouldn't be playing this in the first place" is not very nice either.

 

*further* meaning: The game was advertised as B2P not as a subscription game. The game has an expensive cash shop (i'm not arguing the price just stating facts) which would be acceptable... in a game without sub. Now they're basically adding a subscription to the game. In Korea it is basically required that you have it or you fall behind bigtime.

 

Do forgive me for not sharing the dream of turning BDO into a premium-exclusive VIP 5* p2win casino game.

 

 

"I'm starting to think 90% of the people in these forums don't have a job. Hate me if you want."

we are all free to think whatever we want, doesn't mean we're right though

I do hate... your char's hair :P

Like above, the Pack is Optional not Required.

Nowhere did I say he should cough up more money.

Also, did you read the post correctly? I bet if you're on the receiving end of it, you would have retaliated an in instant. 

 

I do agree on one thing....I have long changed my characters hair. xP

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Only reason you feel that way is because you read that it gives those without the Pack a "unfair advantage" which isn't true. 

Well I'm using it already now that i have more time to play, and like I said i make almost double profits from crafting already. Which is mostly an issue for people with limited time, since they cant craft 24/7 to be able to keep up with the ones that do. I don't understand why people with jobs / less time want this pack since they are the ones who gain the least out of it.

linky on that as well

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 I don't understand why people with jobs / less time want this pack since they are the ones who gain the least out of it.

linky on that as well

You forget that this game is basically asking you to be AFK (anything) when not on. 

Just cause I'm not playing doesn't mean I'm not taking advantage of the Pack either. I go to work and AFK fish come back sell the fish and have Relic shards which in turn I save. Memory Frags sell for a nice profit along with Black Stone(weapon, armor) from the Hunter Seals plus the nice sum you make from the scrolls themselves. Now include the Daily Boss Scrolls and Weekly Boss Scroll sell all that stuff you make. If RNGesus permits you get a Boss Armor or Liverto pack you'll make even more. 

Just cause I can't play during the week days doesn't mean I'm not making silver either.

I make a ton of silver in the weekends though. 

I'll point out this depends on the person playing not the pack. 

My friend has all the time and still beats me in silver by a long shot.

But like you've said arguing over the Internet is pointless. We should leave it as is. 

I'm more concerned over server issues than this anyway. You guys go ahead and stress.

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tldr

Thanks for not reading what i said, not checking the link i posted and taking it out of context.


Yea, lets leave it here.

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