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Sadly all those math calculations and such claiming that the tax reduction is not that much only focus on a very small sample size. Besides, some (NOT ALL) people like to abuse their math knowledge to appear smart, so they throw in unnecessarily advanced calculations. No calculations or advanced math is needed to understand that the tax reduction causes this:

Valuepacktax.png

It would apply to any kind of tax reduction. Be it 5% or 50%.

*insert it's just pay 4 convenience argument here*

Buying pen ogre ring isn't p2w is convenience cause youll get it anyway if you play enough time just like 30% value pack marketplace cash bonus

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What this thread is missing is laffer curve xD

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LOL you all need to seriously shut up about the value pack being p2w.... like are you 4years old or what? such crybabies. its a fine ass item. if you cant have it cause your ass is too poor to make money to get it then thats your own problem that you shouldnt blame on others. Well maybe get a -----ing job and so you have money then and stop being a lazy ass mofo who games all night and day then gets yelled at by your parents. seriously stfu. bunch of crybabies. BDO, YOUR DOING GREAT KEEP IT UP!

 

Questions people their age, follows with a immature post.

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Sadly all those math calculations and such claiming that the tax reduction is not that much only focus on a very small sample size. Besides, some (NOT ALL) people like to abuse their math knowledge to appear smart, so they throw in unnecessarily advanced calculations. No calculations or advanced math is needed to understand that the tax reduction causes this:

Valuepacktax.png

It would apply to any kind of tax reduction. Be it 5% or 50%.

So, what? I have the value pack and you don't. I make more money than you from sales. What about it? If you have to walk and I ride a bike, that's fair because I paid for it. 

You can still reach the same place, because it's not a race. And you can always buy a bike, too.

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So, what? I have the value pack and you don't. I make more money than you from sales. What about it? If you have to walk and I ride a bike, that's fair because I paid for it. 

You can still reach the same place, because it's not a race. And you can always buy a bike, too.

the typical p2w supporter argument lmao "it doesnt matter cause I paid moar I deserve moar" I miss old school game communities :/

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the typical p2w supporter argument lmao "it doesnt matter cause I paid moar I deserve moar" I miss old school game communities :/

I do deserve more for paying more. Welcome to life. I have a bike and you walk. You can complain about it or get your own bike.

I don't support P2W and bought a value pack because it's fair, I can, and because it supports the game.

People like you would rather have the game die than even be tempted to spend extra money. That's sad. 

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I do deserve more for paying more. Welcome to life. I have a bike and you walk. You can complain about it or get your own bike.

I don't support P2W and bought a value pack because it's fair, I can, and because it supports the game.

People like you would rather have the game die than even be tempted to spend extra money. That's sad. 

you have never played a game before if you think you not paying them for every little item makes the game die

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you have never played a game before if you think you not paying them for every little item makes the game die

You don't know anything about production if you think a project like this can continue without a solid and sustainable income. Denying the truth doesn't make it any less true.

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I used a Name Change coupon. I am not in a guild. I thought there would be maintenance today.

Can I rejoin my Guild?

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FIX ADDONS EFFECTS !!!

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sneak in my awakening scythe so i can out farm these damn rangers! xD

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so today i decide sell some Grade3 weapon  5  each one at 310500, that should give me like 1552500MI, insted i recived  around 1009125MI...im glad i have the value pack,,,GG daum

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What about the bugged elephants ? Has been ZERO gm response to this bug that is now nearly a week old, making elephants essentially useless in node wars.

And also... the guild ranking ? this has not worked since last wednesday and is an essential tool for guilds and players alike.

@CM_Tytyes @CM_Praballo @CM_Aethon

What is the bug with elephants?

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cokoro outfit for ninja pls

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i keep trying to reopen BDO and login in and at the start up screen im getting the "Failed to Connect" Message. Is there some unexpected maitenance??

 

UPDATE:

Nevermind, it let me log in the 4th time. Idk what was happening O_o

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*insert it's just pay 4 convenience argument here*

Buying pen ogre ring isn't p2w is convenience cause youll get it anyway if you play enough time just like 30% value pack marketplace cash bonus

The "You'll get it argument" is a failed argument. The wealth gap increases the longer you have the value pack, the player with the vp would be able to buy it much earlier than the other player without the vp. I'm talking about weeks, or even months, here.

If you grind X hours, and your incomes consists to half marketplace sales, then we can just remove the junk items from the calculations and halve the grind time so we get Y.

Player with VP grinds for 6 hours (or 12 hours if we count junk items). Since he gets 30% more income from his marketplace sales, his grind time equals to 8 hours for someone (with same gear, same skills and same ability to play the game) who does not have VP. 

Since grinding is such a big part of the game, those who grind 10 hours a day for a week would accumulate 70 hours of grind.
We could say 

Income = Grind Time * IncomePerHourValue

and

Income = JunkItems + MarketplaceSales

so in the end its 

JunkItmes + MarketplaceSales = GrindTime * IncomePerHourValue

IncomePerHourValue is a value that depends on your gear. In this case we're looking at a constant, but this increases every time you improve your gear.

Let's say that marketplace sales cover 50% of income, or half. Then we can remove the JunkItems from both sides so we get

MarketplaceSales = (GrindTime/2) * IncomePerHourValue

since half of our GrindTime results in items that will be sold on Marketplace. Now apply a 1,3 multiplier to left side and suddenly we get a big difference. 

This means that the longer you grind with VP, the more time you save.

Someone who grinds 70 hours in a week, with 35 resulting in items for marketplace, will save up quite a few hours in comparison with someone who does not have vp.

Effective grind time for player A with VP: 35 + 35 * 1,3 = JunkIncome + MarketplaceSales * 1,3

Effective grind time for player B without VP: 35 + 35 = JunkIncome + MarketplaceSales

Player A = 80,5 hours

Player B = 70 hours

Player A is already 10,5 hours ahead after one week.

This isn't a problem if it's a one-time thing, but this gap increases each time Player A upgrades gear and goes back to grind. Next grind, the difference in effective grinding time will be 15 hours, then 20, then 30 and so on. Simply because Player A has more money to improve their gear.

(I did skip some steps to avoid making this into an even bigger wall of text. Those who understand the simplest math should be able to figure this out by themselves too.)

So, what? I have the value pack and you don't. I make more money than you from sales. What about it? If you have to walk and I ride a bike, that's fair because I paid for it. 

You can still reach the same place, because it's not a race. And you can always buy a bike, too.

You didn't buy the bike to race me, you bought your bike because you wanted to ride a bike. If it were a competition, then I wouldn't even sign up for it if I didn't have a bike.

The whole game is a PvP competition of who has the best gear and highest level and which guild has most of these top players. If you buy the VP 1 month before me, then you'd have that 1 month advantage until you stop playing. Also note that the longer you have that 1 month advantage, the bigger the gap becomes.

Value pack is more like installing an electric motor onto a bike so you can get further on your bike... but real life comparisons are not good examples to prove a point, because "success" in real life doesn't solely depend on money. (I.e. you can't be an idiot with a million and be successful)

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Anyone else experiencing login issues?

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Not going to be another "ermagawd desync/lag/etc" but this game is completely frozen for me right now, and I'm in the middle of quite a number of pissed off Elrics. My friends are also lagging/frozen/game world has stopped as of this moment also... Screw the value pack tweaks, is everything alright with your servers after not having any maintenance? Also RIP my Red Battlefield gems T___T 

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So when is the maintenance on the 2nd like in the first post or on 3rd like it usualy was until now?

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Why would you nerf the one decent support class that can heal and wont get an awakening any time soon?

Cause that troll write the same shit on every maintenance post. Every single time. Probably he/she doesnt even have a brain. Feel sad for him/her

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but no, this game isnt a race. Not at all. If you want a race there are tons of games like Gran Turismo, Assetto Corsa , Need for Speed etc...

 

After Valencia release will pass sometime before new contents so people have all the time to "catch up", if that's the only thing you bother.

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So when is the maintenance on the 2nd like in the first post or on 3rd like it usualy was until now?

Can anyone advise?

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nerf giants and witches

i realy want know what is on giants op.. tell me please! :)

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The "You'll get it argument" is a failed argument. The wealth gap increases the longer you have the value pack, the player with the vp would be able to buy it much earlier than the other player without the vp. I'm talking about weeks, or even months, here.

If you grind X hours, and your incomes consists to half marketplace sales, then we can just remove the junk items from the calculations and halve the grind time so we get Y.

Player with VP grinds for 6 hours (or 12 hours if we count junk items). Since he gets 30% more income from his marketplace sales, his grind time equals to 8 hours for someone (with same gear, same skills and same ability to play the game) who does not have VP. 

Since grinding is such a big part of the game, those who grind 10 hours a day for a week would accumulate 70 hours of grind.
We could say 

Income = Grind Time * IncomePerHourValue

and

Income = JunkItems + MarketplaceSales

so in the end its 

JunkItmes + MarketplaceSales = GrindTime * IncomePerHourValue

IncomePerHourValue is a value that depends on your gear. In this case we're looking at a constant, but this increases every time you improve your gear.

Let's say that marketplace sales cover 50% of income, or half. Then we can remove the JunkItems from both sides so we get

MarketplaceSales = (GrindTime/2) * IncomePerHourValue

since half of our GrindTime results in items that will be sold on Marketplace. Now apply a 1,3 multiplier to left side and suddenly we get a big difference. 

This means that the longer you grind with VP, the more time you save.

Someone who grinds 70 hours in a week, with 35 resulting in items for marketplace, will save up quite a few hours in comparison with someone who does not have vp.

Effective grind time for player A with VP: 35 + 35 * 1,3 = JunkIncome + MarketplaceSales * 1,3

Effective grind time for player B without VP: 35 + 35 = JunkIncome + MarketplaceSales

Player A = 80,5 hours

Player B = 70 hours

Player A is already 10,5 hours ahead after one week.

This isn't a problem if it's a one-time thing, but this gap increases each time Player A upgrades gear and goes back to grind. Next grind, the difference in effective grinding time will be 15 hours, then 20, then 30 and so on. Simply because Player A has more money to improve their gear.

(I did skip some steps to avoid making this into an even bigger wall of text. Those who understand the simplest math should be able to figure this out by themselves too.)

You didn't buy the bike to race me, you bought your bike because you wanted to ride a bike. If it were a competition, then I wouldn't even sign up for it if I didn't have a bike.

The whole game is a PvP competition of who has the best gear and highest level and which guild has most of these top players. If you buy the VP 1 month before me, then you'd have that 1 month advantage until you stop playing. Also note that the longer you have that 1 month advantage, the bigger the gap becomes.

Value pack is more like installing an electric motor onto a bike so you can get further on your bike... but real life comparisons are not good examples to prove a point, because "success" in real life doesn't solely depend on money. (I.e. you can't be an idiot with a million and be successful)

i was being sarcastic by I am glad you wrote that out so I can use it :)

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Cause that troll write the same shit on every maintenance post. Every single time. Probably he/she doesnt even have a brain. Feel sad for him/her

Sorry to disappoint you, but no, this game isnt a race. Not at all. If you want a race there are tons of games like Gran Turismo, Assetto Corsa , Need for Speed etc...

 

After Valencia release will pass sometime before new contents so people have all the time to "catch up", if that's the only thing you bother.

Never said it was a race. What I said is that the game is competitive.

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Never said it was a race. What I said is that the game is competitive.

Ye but gap will be less in time, considering will take sometimes to reach Valencia and there's no new gear incoming. Rushing now for gear or waiting doesnt matter in long term

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