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[Updated] In-Game accessibility to Pearl Shop Items

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actually if you try to equip the items ints warning you about it , if you put it on it says that you cant sell it on the marktplace anymore ... i always thought wtf about this warning since you cant sell those items anyway now i untderstand ....

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Ofcourse not. From what I've seen the moment you open the box it's a no-go. As based on the screenshot people are sending they are all the boxes from cash shop, not actual items.

well, they could package all costumes in boxes if they wantes to.

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Making mess?
They are robbing you of money at bright daylight and you are fine with it? 

Bro..

Paid for a thing.
Got a thing.
Called it robbery.

? what?
what?

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they are as advertised and later on eligable for changes. you sighned the tos and thats in this case valid, deal with it.

 

are you seriously suggesting that a ToS overrules law?

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well, they could package all costumes in boxes if they wantes to.

That would be too much trouble and considering a lot of bugs weren't fixed since release I doubt they would want to deliberetly go through that trouble.

On top of that it won't be additional money for them. They will just force you to spend money one way or another... or quit. 

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We understand that this change will spark discussions, and have asked Pearl Abyss to share their thoughts behind this decision.  Pearl Abyss considers in-game accessibility to Pearl Items necessary in Black Desert.  Regardless of the region, there will always be players who, for whatever reason, do not get to experience all the features Black Desert offers, including Pearl Shop Items.  Adding a mechanic that grants access to Pearl Shop items with in game currency will allow more players to enjoy such content.  They are open to the community’s feedback and ask you to share your thoughts and concerns about this change.

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-The Kakao Team

Let me reiterate:

"Hi retards, we want more money... and we let you buy  gear with credit cards but we hope you are stupid so we put it in nice words and make you feel like we give a crap about the non-payers"

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Did any mod replyed to this tread?

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are you seriously suggesting that a ToS overrules law?

if they're according to the law, which they are in this case, then there is nothing to be overruled :)

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Did any mod replyed to this tread?

dont think so

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1.) There isn't another definition for it. Sell Costume/pets -> Get mass amounts of silver.

2.) Idk about you, but I wouldn't be bragging/proud about gear I spent $30+ on. In fact, it's embarrassing.

3.) Unretained. The community is now getting unstable, as you can see.

4.) Friendships aren't the only thing that makes a game.

5.) I'll give you that one. People shouldn't have done that.

In answer:

1) The core of the matter is that you have the ability to use it or not. Regardless of the definition, you have the ability to ignore it if YOU want - but obviously you wish to be offended by it - your choice.

2) It is only embarrassing if you think it is. Those that have the money to purchase have never been embarrassed to say " I'm a casual player and I want to keep up supporting my guild and the best way to do it for me, is to buy the needed gear" The reason given is usually that they do not have the extensive amount of time to grind it out.

3) The game exists with constant influx of cash - that's what a business does. The current community will possibly throw their toys out of the pram, but those will be the vocal few.

4) But they are the major part (for me and for all those that enjoy guild play)

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Paid for a thing.Got a thing.
Called it robbery.

? what?
what?

Paid for a thing, a no pay to win version of BDO.
Got that thing.

Thing was taken away, the very reason this version of BDO was buy to play was that was PA's condition on removing the pay to win from our version of the game.
My god you're right, why would anybody be upset over this?

Do you live in a world of delusion or are you just willfully ignorant?

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if they're according to the law, which they are in this case, then there is nothing to be overruled :)

their ToS is in accordance to Netherlands law, and says nothing about false advertising. EU laws do however cover this, and are in place for exactly this reason

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Did any mod replyed to this tread?

Use the staff post tracker .... oh wait they disabled it.
Thought they wanted our feedback?? nah of course they didnt. You wont see a reply from them until next week wehn they add it into game.

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YAY! a new awesome game is going P2W! Guess I'm quitting if this goes on...

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Paid for a thing, a no pay to win version of BDO.Got that thing.
Thing was taken away, the very reason this version of BDO was buy to play was that was PA's condition on removing the pay to win from our version of the game.
My god you're right, why would anybody be upset over this?

Do you live in a world of delusion or are you just willfully ignorant?

Nie. I just pay attention to what's going on around me, and don't attempt to use fallacy to hold another at the end of my gun.

Your definition of P2W and what the developers consider P2W is different. This is because the definition of "Winning" is different. This being said, something I've been waiting for someone to figure out...
The developers have the prevalent opinion of what is P2W in THEIR GAME and what isn't.

Why?
well.

They developed it.
You may not agree.
But you did not create this game.

Either way. I've seen a great many posts on these forums. Very few people have specified  exactly what they didn't want to see. A lot of which was addressed in responses FROM THE DEVELOPER lol.
People said they didn't want p2w for the most part.
PA said "k".
And implemented what they consider is not p2w into their game for our version.
Because of how the game works, I agree with all of their implementations up to this point.

What I don't agree with however... Is how late my main will have to wait to get dem awakenings :(
Where is the wizard love. Buff wizards.

But hey, you're free to think of me as willfully ignorant if you'd like. You're entitled to that train of thought.

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their ToS is in accordance to Netherlands law, and says nothing about false advertising. EU laws do however cover this, and are in place for exactly this reason

there was no false advertisement to beginn with, you problem ist, that you think a low cm hast the capabilities of setting the course of company or make binding statements about the company.

there never was a false advertisement nor will be, you just took the word of a not responsible person. there is no law against such a case :P

and your problem with the tos is, that the service is eligable for changes, and guess what, this is a chance of the service, SURPRISE xD

 

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Did any mod replyed to this tread?

I dont think so they will just ignore this and add it anyway like they always did 

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The developers have the prevalent opinion of what is P2W in THEIR GAME and what isn't.

 

 

no they don't, not less they defined it

 

they literally marketed this game as "time2win". if time=money (which it does in this game) its p2w

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I know I have made a good arguement when the only replies I get are insults and attempts at belittling me. I feel very satisfied with that result. Thanks guys.

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TBH

Giftrap remaining valuepacks according to  the value of the packs at start and cut the crap bout B2P already.

At least then all will be clear to us, all this frustration and meh isn't worth it, it's just a game.

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Easiest way, let people sell old costumes which they had three or more months in their possession.

So real and ingame money can circulate better and make the game even more so lucrative for the Developers and the Players.

And each Costume can only be sold once per account.

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there was no false advertisement to beginn with, you problem ist, that you think a low cm hast the capabilities of setting the course of company or make binding statements about the company.

there never was a false advertisement nor will be, you just took the word of a not responsible person. there is no law against such a case :P

and your problem with the tos is, that the service is eligable for changes, and guess what, this is a chance of the service, SURPRISE xD

 

market game to western audience as b2p without p2w features (one of the core marketing approaches to attract players btw)

wait 6 months, make game p2w

...the product is no longer what I paid for

 

this is a hard concept for you to grasp? It doesn't matter though, the massive flood of charge backs has already started, the games been wounded ,now all we do is wait for it to bleed out. You not understanding isn't going to change that, so have a good day :)

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NOTE: The previous announcement has been polished in order to deliver and clarify the intention better.

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Nie. I just pay attention to what's going on around me, and don't attempt to use fallacy to hold another at the end of my gun.

Your definition of P2W and what the developers consider P2W is different. This is because the definition of "Winning" is different. This being said, something I've been waiting for someone to figure out...
The developers have the prevalent opinion of what is P2W in THEIR GAME and what isn't.

Why?
well.

They developed it.
You may not agree.
But you did not create this game.

Either way. I've seen a great many posts on these forums. Very few people have specified  exactly what they didn't want to see. A lot of which was addressed in responses FROM THE DEVELOPER lol.
People said they didn't want p2w for the most part.
PA said "k".
And implemented what they consider is not p2w into their game for our version.
Because of how the game works, I agree with all of their implementations up to this point.

What I don't agree with however... Is how late my main will have to wait to get dem awakenings :(
Where is the wizard love. Buff wizards.

But hey, you're free to think of me as willfully ignorant if you'd like. You're entitled to that train of thought.

I, you, we, as the consumer, providing our money for a product, under particular pretenses, are entitled to receive the product that was advertised to us.
See, there are things called consumer rights laws that exist basically everywhere, protecting that fact.
The people complaining are not entitled, they were promised a product, which they paid for and are entitled to receive.

The consumer decides when a product within reason, weather or not is fit for the purpose in which it was advertised to be.
Feel free to look up legal proceedings pretty much anywhere and you will find courts rule this way quite consistently.

You can feel free to agree with the current situation and not feel as though the product is not what you paid for, but others are well within their rights to feel otherwise.

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