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pay to win Should BDO cash shop items be available for sale to other players for in-game silver?


Should BDO cash shop items be available for sale to other players for in-game silver?   4,297 votes

  1. 1. Should BDO cash shop items be available for sale to other players for in-game silver?

    • No.
      3202
    • Yes.
      515
    • Yes, but decrease the limit of items able to be sold to something reasonable (~3 per month).
      580

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P2W = Very bad idea

I left AA because of P2W; don't ruin BDO with P2W!

Would you rather continue to pay 30$ for Costumes? Isn't this better? Let the rich pay for the poor.

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Too late. Their stated intention of going full on p2w and the fact that it became instantly known to the community (and to anyone doing research about the game, see the Lazypeopn youtube channel) will a) kill most further sales and b) drive away a very large number of existing players. There is NOTHING they can do about this now short of a full-blown u-turn and even then the damage is largely already done. Their conclusion will be that they will now HAVE to go through with this.

 

Edited by Cookie van Snott

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Too late. Their stated intention of going full on p2w and the fact that it became instantly known to the community (and to anyone doing research about the game, see the Lazypeopn youtube channel) will a) kill most further sales and b) drive away a very large number of existing players. There is NOTHING they can do about this now short of a full-blown u-turn and even then the damage is largely already done. Their conclusion will be that they will now HAVE to go through with this.

 

People play this P2W version in Korea, JPN and Russia. I mean even Russia! The poor, Sanctioned Russia, and people still play there. A lot more than here right now.

Players will be replaced, because the game is great. It's just that they should have gave us F2P - P2W version from the start.

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People play this P2W version in Korea, JPN and Russia. I mean even Russia! The poor, Sanctioned Russia, and people still play there. A lot more than here right now.

Players will be replaced, because the game is great. It's just they should have gave us F2P - P2W version from the start.

This isn't KR, JPN or RU. All those regions view p2w differently. Even then there are KR and RU players who came to our version to get away from the p2w. You don't adapt your/business model to the market you are moving to, you are only hurting your own success.

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People play this P2W version in Korea, JPN and Russia. I mean even Russia! The poor, Sanctioned Russia, and people still play there. A lot more than here right now.

Players will be replaced, because the game is great. It's just that they should have gave us F2P - P2W version from the start.

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Hmm and how many of the players in Russia or Japan actually BOUGHT this game???

BDO would have never generated the kind of publicity and the sales numbers without the claim of it being buy to play. It will now compete with the likes of archeage and the remaining legion of p2w 'titles', leaving thousands with the impression that they have been blatantly lied to. Most of these players will NOT be replaced.

And by the way, once this change is out, who in their right mind will actually PAY to play bdo? To get any new players at all, they will now have to go f2p. 

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This isn't KR, JPN or RU. All those regions view p2w differently. Even then there are KR and RU players who came to our version to get away from the p2w. You don't adapt your/business model to the market you are moving to, you are only hurting your own success.

I don't know about Koreans, maybe they live in America, that's why they play in NA, but Russians came here to RMT accounts. And that's what they have been doing for the past 5 month.

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Here is an example from a Jordine top guild Grind. They have a lot of Russian players that said them selves, that they came to EU version because they can RMT accounts, because in RU version there is a lot of competition for them.

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So.... will this invite botters to RMT or nah? Just curious O.o

(I'm against all bots and hackers -_- may they all burn).

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Tomorrow is the day when this is all supposed to start right?  Won't we know then if they intend to change things?

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 Starts at 11:57 if this didn't embed right.  Jouska made it clear back on Feb 18th that "At this stage" there would be no selling of cash shop items in the market, meaning this was the plan all along.

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I honestly can't believe you people who aren't paying a dime beyond the box price are still trying to throw your weight around when your "weight" isn't even worth a penny. You can shout, stage a protest, walk out, stomp your feet, and even riot but at the end of the day paying players will still be here paying for items in the cash shop. Nothing you say or do will change that and thus nothing you say or do really even matters.

Daum is a for profit company. They will do what it takes to earn profit. 

Real money transactions are done in nearly every game now. Get over it.

You were warned about this when games started questioning if they should go free to play. Now it's here and you're complaining with no horse in the race. You're lucky you even get to play these games for free or for one tiny initial investment. Wake up and realize you are no longer a factor if you're refusing to swipe your card no matter what they do.

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I honestly can't believe you people who aren't paying a dime beyond the box price are still trying to throw your weight around when your "weight" isn't even worth a penny. You can shout, stage a protest, walk out, stomp your feet, and even riot but at the end of the day paying players will still be here paying for items in the cash shop. Nothing you say or do will change that and thus nothing you say or do really even matters.

Daum is a for profit company. They will do what it takes to earn profit. 

Real money transactions are done in nearly every game now. Get over it.

You were warned about this when games started questioning if they should go free to play. Now it's here and you're complaining with no horse in the race. You're lucky you even get to play these games for free or for one tiny initial investment. Wake up and realize you are no longer a factor if you're refusing to swipe your card no matter what they do.

Yes, yes, obviously anyone who opposes these changes is a pleb who barely spent 30$ and now complains.

Please shut the ----- up.

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Would you rather continue to pay 30$ for Costumes?

Yes. 

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Yes, yes, obviously anyone who opposes these changes is a pleb who barely spent 30$ and now complains.

Please shut the ----- up.

Nah. We'll keep voicing our opinions like you stomp and throw yours.

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Nah. We'll keep voicing our opinions like you stomp and throw yours.

You actually only voicing your stupidity, currently.

So, tell me again how anyone who opposes these changes can only be someone who spent 30$ and now complains ? I mean,this is surely some valuable insights.

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 Starts at 11:57 if this didn't embed right.  Jouska made it clear back on Feb 18th that "At this stage" there would be no selling of cash shop items in the market, meaning this was the plan all along.

Nah bro.

Here is also a less circulated video of yet another person promising that our version of the game would be different. Lies start at 3:03:

Edited by Niveous

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it is NOT P2W what so ever . its just a way how casual players with a RL and a Job are able to catch up with 24/7 Players/grinders . 

 

stop the whining, just because u cant onehit ppl anymore then. OR .. get a job , make a living and then u can sell costumes as well.

this is btw the explanation of Urban Dictionary for Pay2Win :

"Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."
 
I lack to see how this apply to the upcoming changes .
 
just my 2 cents

 

 

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Just out of curiousity, is anyone able to cite where Daum said this would not be pay to win?

 

Edit:

Nevermind, I see it here - http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/8038-pm-diary-22-cash-shop-and-more/

  • If we decide to enable selling Cash Shop Items at a later stage, there will be control mechanisms that will prevent players from heavily profiting and gaining an advantage by repetitively selling Cash Items on the marketplace

If this happens:

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Clearly we were lied to (by use of math) here. Grinding 12hrs a day at sausins = 50-70mil in silver and market sell items. If you are able to make 100mil x 5sells a week, that is ((500mil a week) vs (70mil x 7 = 490mil a week at best))

 

One thing people are not really thinking about is.

 

Regardless how much money is made by selling pearl items (using your figures above as an example)

 

P2W players will not only buy and then sell pearl items but they will be grinding also, so we wil be 500mill behind anyway.............

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it is NOT P2W what so ever . its just a way how casual players with a RL and a Job are able to catch up with 24/7 Players/grinders . 

 

stop the whining, just because u cant onehit ppl anymore then. OR .. get a job , make a living and then u can sell costumes as well.

this is btw the explanation of Urban Dictionary for Pay2Win :

"Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."
 
I lack to see how this apply to the upcoming changes .
 
just my 2 cents

 

 

Try to read "makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying." again you dictionary.

Edited by Cakeis
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"Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."
 
I lack to see how this apply to the upcoming changes .
 
just my 2 cents

 

 

not sure if trolling..... or just dense as hell

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I hope they look at this vote and take it seriously ._.

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Honestly, if you have a problem with this you need to just stop playing MMORPGs. Pretty much every mmo out there has something like this.

WoW lets you buy and sell game time for gold. 'P2W' get best raid gear and qualify for a raiding guild.

EVE lets you buy and sell game time for ISK. 'P2W' buy an amazing character and the best equipment for the best ships with ISK.

GW2 buy gold with gems. Same damn thing.

/agree with you, where yall people have been? Most mmorpg let people sell cash shop item for ingame currency. It benefit both actually. The one who refuse to get a job but want cash shop items so they will grind hardcore for silver. Then they buy from the one who have a job and can afford cash items but don't have time to hard grind for stuff or silver. Is a win win situation honestly. Btw all Asian mmorpg games are the same model. Korean is well know for it . Yall people who call it p2w is afraid the whales will outgear you and yall can't hoard the world boss anymore. Welcome to MMORPG people. Go ahead and go to another mmorpg , you will end up with the same situation no matter where you goxD

 

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You do realize that every game listed is massively different in design and thus why they are not labeled p2w right? You do know that the interaction between cash shop and the design of the game is what actually influences the perception of p2w and not just the business model right?

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You do realize that every game listed is massively different in design and thus why they are not labeled p2w right? You do know that the interaction between cash shop and the design of the game is what actually influences the perception of p2w and not just the business model right?

You do realize if any game have cash shop item to buy for real money eventually it will let players who cant afford to buy it with in game currency and let the whales sell it for in game currency

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You do realize if any game have cash shop item to buy for real money eventually it will let players who cant afford to buy it with in game currency and let the whales sell it for in game currency

You do realize that in WoW, you cannot buy BiS gear right and pvp is now equalized right? You do realize that in EvE you can only trick out ships so much and one they are destroyed, what you basically bought with real money is also gone. In GW2 you do realize that the gear gap is tiny and you can get fully gear out in near BIS extremely quickly and pvp is equalized right? Again, you have to look at the game, not just the cash shop.

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it is NOT P2W what so ever . its just a way how casual players with a RL and a Job are able to catch up with 24/7 Players/grinders . 

 

stop the whining, just because u cant onehit ppl anymore then. OR .. get a job , make a living and then u can sell costumes as well.

this is btw the explanation of Urban Dictionary for Pay2Win :

"Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."
 
I lack to see how this apply to the upcoming changes .
 
just my 2 cents

great perspective, if you want a real p2w try some other game that actually sell temporary 30 day high end gears in cash shop so you can 1 hit players :0 So I don't see what the fuss about this , is not really consider a p2w yet unless it turn to subscription or other game called vip is where If you spend money you get more benefit than free 2 players

 

You do realize that in WoW, you cannot buy BiS gear right and pvp is now equalized right? You do realize that in EvE you can only trick out ships so much and one they are destroyed, what you basically bought with real money is also gone. In GW2 you do realize that the gear gap is tiny and you can get fully gear out in near BIS extremely quickly and pvp is equalized right? Again, you have to look at the game, not just the cash shop.

WOw and Eve are subs game, GW is buy to play games. BDO is buy to play games also. Adding a  cash shop if for people who just want to look a little unique from the free 2 players . Also the costume in BDO is not really significant benefit= 10% combat experience that really not much beneficial should at least make it 30% since it actually cost like $30 for it

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