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This is not pay to win

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By being able to sell the costume in the marketplace does not meant that this game will be or it is p2w. Stop your nonsense. This is like every single other game. What you buy on the cash shop can be sold for in-game currency. Please stop your nonsense you're sounding stupid. 

-Yours truly, Onii-sama 

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Well you exchange real money for ingame money to buy best items.

Isn't that pay to win?

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its the very definition of pay to win.... Do you even understand what it means?

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Well you exchange real money for ingame money to buy best items.

Isn't that pay to win?

Those items have to come from somewhere. Someone has to craft them. You aren't buying items from the cash shop.

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Well you exchange real money for ingame money to buy best items.

Isn't that pay to win?

No, because you still not able to buy a +30 Kzarka for $$

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By being able to sell the costume in the marketplace DOES NOT MEANT THAT THIS GAME WILL BE OR IT IS P2W. STOP YOUR NONSENSE. THIS IS LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER GAME, WHAT YOU BUY ON THE CASH SHOP CAN BE SOLD FOR IN-GAME CURRENCY. Please stop your sounding stupid. 

-Yours truly, Onii-sama 

It doesn't matter what you think. The perception is that it is. That alone will damn the game. Definition of p2w is changing. It is even different for every game. What one game can get away with not being p2w, another can't because of design differences. For example GW2. you can straight buy in game currency. Not p2w. Why? Because you cannot get BiS gear from in game currency and gear differences in that game are very small. Here, gear differences are large, with gear playing the biggest role in your character power, much more time consuming/luck based to get, and you can buy BiS gear. One game it doesn't really allow you to buy much power if any. The other allows you to flat out buy BiS and brute force rng that those that do not pay cannot.

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its the very definition of pay to win.... Do you even understand what it means?

If this is P2w then so is ever other mmorpg out there that lets you buy gold with money.

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its the very definition of pay to win.... Do you even understand what it means?

You don´t.

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Ironically this was all cause by people crying pay2w

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Trion2. I  like original things more...

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No, because you still not able to buy a +30 Kzarka for $$

Agreed still cant but +30 Liverto staff.  won't win today.

Nice to see someone above 20 posts lol -

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If this is P2w then so is ever other mmorpg out there that lets you buy gold with money.

Correct.

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You don't understand? Buy items in real money ==> sell it ==> buy item with big stats ==> win because nobody have it

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No, because you still not able to buy a +30 Kzarka for $$

Well, if you correctly use the taxe item, so auction house, so get way more money you should have without that item, you in the end can buy kzarka for $$. ( hello night vendor )

Its sure not direct, but the result in the same

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The stuff we have had up untill now I've not really deemed as P2W.

 

But now, if we are gonna judge how these items sell in other regions, you can buy a quarter of a billion silver pr week. That is just to much.

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By being able to sell the costume in the marketplace DOES NOT MEANT THAT THIS GAME WILL BE OR IT IS P2W. STOP YOUR NONSENSE. THIS IS LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER GAME, WHAT YOU BUY ON THE CASH SHOP CAN BE SOLD FOR IN-GAME CURRENCY. Please stop your nonsense you're sounding stupid. 

-Yours truly, Onii-sama 

It is exactly P2W. In fact the problem is not the P2W itself, but the combination with nolife grind. I saw in RU and KR the result is unbeatable players. People who spend a lot of money in the game and grind 24/7. As in NA/EU the people who play BDO are probably about 100 000, these unbeatable players will be hundreds or even few thousands. So enough to destroy completely any balance left.

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Assume for a minute I had a billion silver from selling pearl stuff. Can someone show me where I can buy boss items now? Or at least a clean kzarka? I must have missed those items, at least in marketplace you can't buy them.

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Not sure if troll or stupid.

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This is P2W, I'm just not sure I care.

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Well, if you correctly use the taxe item, so auction house, so get way more money you should have without that item, you in the end can buy kzarka for $$. ( hello night vendor )

Its sure not direct, but the result in the same

NO, because its still NOT +30

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By being able to sell the costume in the marketplace DOES NOT MEANT THAT THIS GAME WILL BE OR IT IS P2W. STOP YOUR NONSENSE. THIS IS LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER GAME, WHAT YOU BUY ON THE CASH SHOP CAN BE SOLD FOR IN-GAME CURRENCY. Please stop your nonsense you're sounding stupid. 

-Yours truly, Onii-sama 

do you even brain? Convert rl money to game money, use game money to get gear or enchant it. How is that not p2w? 

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Assume for a minute I had a billion silver from selling pearl stuff. Can someone show me where I can buy boss items now? Or at least a clean kzarka? I must have missed those items, at least in marketplace you can't buy them.

You will with the preorder system. Give me a billion of silver and I will sell you Kzarka.

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Assume for a minute I had a billion silver from selling pearl stuff. Can someone show me where I can buy boss items now? Or at least a clean kzarka? I must have missed those items, at least in marketplace you can't buy them.

No one cares, they just shout "P2W" like Sheeps.

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You don't understand? Buy items in real money ==> sell it ==> buy item with big stats ==> win because nobody have it

Except the guy who sold that item on the market in the first place cause he has something better or already had one...

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