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Thank You Daum for Giving Us Working Players a Chance!

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Wow really?
You really need to educate yourself on server infrastructure before you start talking about these topics cause you just look like a -----ing idiot.

Mate, of course there are differences in it's infrastructure and a singular server's capacity, but obviously that is varied depending on the situation. But for you to argue it as SUCH a difference makes you look like an idiot.

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For everyone crying about p2w. Dont think the whales are bad players, here I have a guide on how to find a job.

 

http://m.wikihow.com/Get-a-Job

 

Every post is the same shit from you, I believe you don't even have a job and just enjoy talking crap to people online. More salt, cry plz? You seem autistic in some way or some one that never quite made it or just a general weirdo. Crying, triggered blah blah, your attempts at trolling are old and I'm concerned that people spend their time doing this. 

 

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Every post is the same shit from you, I believe you don't even have a job and just enjoy talking crap to people online. More salt, cry plz? You seem autistic in some way or some one that never quite made it or just a general weirdo. Crying, triggered blah blah, your attempts at trolling are old and I'm concerned that people spend their time doing this. 

 

someone is triggered. Thx for your salt.

just because you are jobless and poor you shouldn't be angry all the time lol

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So just to make sure, kiddies.

You think that this is how BDO works?Since you used the example in correlation with the system black desert online uses to calculate successes.
I'll assume that this is how you think black desert works.

Am I wrong in assuming this? Or were you using this example for no reason lol

Nah dude, math is math, it's not something you can twist around at your leisure to suite your arguments.

Picture this if you will

We both have a MoS and are going to buy an additional MoS from the AH (to upgrade), you chose to not pay any IRL money and therefore only have enough capital to purchase 1... I on the other hand did use the cash route and have the ability to buy 100.

Now lets assume upgrading to pri is a 20% chance at 0 fail stacks, for the sake of your figure & math arguement , regardless of how much the % actually is in  game.

20% means on average, 20 out of 100 will pass, now, even if I only had 10 rolls, and that gave me 2 pri's on average, there's still a distinctly obvious advantage i have over you -who only has 1 chance- and therefore 1, or no rings as a result.

Now you tell me, if on average I have 20 successful pri attempts I now have 20 pri's, and lets say you got lucky and have only 1... well, there's absolutely no chance you can go for duo, and now I can either stop spending the rest of my 100 chances and starting using my chances at going for duo and beyond, or I can take the 20 pri's and sell them for pure silver net gain.

 

How is my situation not better? I *argueablied* paid to have my gear a lot faster then you, which increases my ability to farm, which increases my ability to get better gear.

Meanwhile, you got unlucky on your pri attempt and have 0 mark of shadows and are stuck trying to replace it.

 

Your arguement is moot, stop yelling at kids to fact check math when your argument has no factual stance or application.

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A chance for what? You can buy full PEN gear and everything, and... now what?!
The fun is getting there. The journey.

How you can buy PEN if noone made it? You cannot just purchase it...RNG still plays it's roles...

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@War - Okay I'm late to the game, but let's see what's going on here.

Your argument is moot man, I've seen it all over the place and it doesn't add up, at the end of the day, a group of people with 1 chance each will progress slower vs  a group of people with 100 chances each. 

His argument isn't moot. It's how it works. If you don't understand that an increase in a number of chances doesn't increase the likelihood of a favorable outcome, then you are a lost cause. Please, for you financial sake, don't ever go to a casino.

yes each person still has a 20% chance to succeed, but because 20% of my 100 chances will succeeded, i have 19 more pri's then you, so now you have 0 chance at attempting duo, but i have 19 chances and so on and so forth...

 What are you even talking about? [My] probability and [your] probability are independent of one another, as are our chances. You seem to be assuming that a 20% probability per chance equates to 20 successes for every failure. Again, that's not how it works. At all.

...having more resources to sell or grind will always be superior.

People are mad because now someone can throw money at the game to progress faster which is something that everyone in the region paid to keep out of the game..

 This is true. People are mad because what would take tens of hours of grinding to attain (e.g. 100 million in silver) will have the potential to be gained via money for psuedo-instant gratification. Assuming, of course, the mp is always sold out of these cash shop items and that the items forever remain in high demand.  If, in fact, Daum/Kakao decides to go through with this (which I'm sure they will to, at the very least, test the waters), be sure not to purchase any pearl items with in-game silver if you do not support this model--and that goes for anyone up in arms right now, since most of you will probably continue to play regardless.

In all honesty, why did we pay the box fee? It doesn't make any sense now. 

This is a moot point; we essentially paid a box fee to unlock items and shit that are normally, in other versions, bound to the cash shop at the onset. If they refund the box fee, expect at least half of your character customization options to become reverted to default and locked behind a Character Appearance Change Coupon.

If you're still confused, misinformed, or just too angry/annoyed to understand... there's nothing more I can do for you without sending an invoice for services rendered.

 

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How you can buy PEN if noone made it? You cannot just purchase it...RNG still plays it's roles...

The arguement is, given a "seemingly" unlimited amount of silver resource, pen is no longer an if, but a when. 

When I make 300k a year, I get pen gear, might cost me an arm and leg, but I get it.

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Nah dude, math is math, it's not something you can twist around at your leisure to suite your arguments.

Picture this if you will

We both have a MoS and are going to buy an additional MoS from the AH (to upgrade), you chose to not pay any IRL money and therefore only have enough capital to purchase 1... I on the other hand did use the cash route and have the ability to buy 100.

Now lets assume upgrading to pri is a 20% chance at 0 fail stacks, for the sake of your figure & math arguement , regardless of how much the % actually is in  game.

20% means on average, 20 out of 100 will pass, now, even if I only had 10 rolls, and that gave me 2 pri's on average, there's still a distinctly obvious advantage i have over you -who only has 1 chance- and therefore 1, or no rings as a result.

Now you tell me, if on average I have 20 successful pri attempts I now have 20 pri's, and lets say you got lucky and have only 1... well, there's absolutely no chance you can go for duo, and now I can either stop spending the rest of my 100 chances and starting using my chances at going for duo and beyond, or I can take the 20 pri's and sell them for pure silver net gain.

 

How is my situation not better? I *argueablied* paid to have my gear a lot faster then you, which increases my ability to farm, which increases my ability to get better gear.

Meanwhile, you got unlucky on your pri attempt and have 0 mark of shadows and are stuck trying to replace it.

 

Your arguement is moot, stop yelling at kids to fact check math when your argument has no factual stance or application.

The math

Ok bro, after this I give up.

RNG 1-5 in excel for you (you like excel dont you :) )

Let's say hitting 1 is 20% chance right and it's the succesrate u talk about.

variance.png

He got 0 with one try 0% succes with 20% probability

He got 1 when expected 2 in 10 tries 10% succes with 20% probability

He got 23 with 100 tries 23% succes with 20% probability

LOTS OF SILVER, LOTS OF TRIES SHORT TERM, LOTS OF SUCCES

VARIANCE

How FRIGGIN hard can it be to understand... !

 

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@War - Okay I'm late to the game, but let's see what's going on here.

His argument isn't moot. It's how it works. If you don't understand that an increase in a number of chances doesn't increase the likelihood of a favorable outcome, then you are a lost cause. Please, for you financial sake, don't ever go to a casino.

 What are you even talking about? [My] probability and [your] probability are independent of one another, as are our chances. You seem to be assuming that a 20% probability per chance equates to 20 successes for every failure. Again, that's not how it works. At all.

 This is true. People are mad because what would take tens of hours of grinding to attain (e.g. 100 million in silver) will have the potential to be gained via money for psuedo-instant gratification. Assuming, of course, the mp is always sold out of these cash shop items and that the items forever remain in high demand.  If, in fact, Daum/Kakao decides to go through with this (which I'm sure they will to, at the very least, test the waters), be sure not to purchase any pearl items with in-game silver if you do not support this model--and that goes for anyone up in arms right now, since most of you will probably continue to play regardless.

This is a moot point; we essentially paid a box fee to unlock items and shit that are normally, in other versions, bound to the cash shop at the onset. If they refund the box fee, expect at least half of your character customization options to become reverted to default and locked behind a Character Appearance Change Coupon.

If you're still confused, misinformed, or just too angry/annoyed to understand... there's nothing more I can do for you without sending an invoice for services rendered.

 

I'm not angry at all, Idc one way or the other on this change, but bad math makes my head hurt, especially when people are being juvenile in the way that it was delivered,

 

Further more, I never said it increased chances, I said that with 20% you will have more successes out of 100 tries then 1, because 20% my friend, is still 20%. 20% isn't 1 out of 100, it's 20 out of 100, on average, like I said, multiple times.

 

What am I talking about? I'm talking about Reading comprehension, if you took time to see the argument line, you wouldn't of made the post you just did. Stop putting words in my mouth.

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Further more, I never said it increased chances, I said that with 20% you will have more successes out of 100 tries then 1, because 20% my friend, is still 20%. 20% isn't 1 out of 100, it's 20 out of 100, on average, like I said, multiple times.

 

Having more chanes does not entail more successes. It's really that simple.

For someone trying to come at me for "reading comprehension," maybe you should look into a rhetoric or writing skills workshop. But that's not even really the point, now is it?

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Giving working players a chance? With this change you will have even less of a chance. The ppl who will pay and put in the hours at the same time will get their gear exponentially faster, because with the better gear they get with cash turned into silver, they will be able to farm much more efficiently, and leave you behind even more. So no... If you don't put in the hours while paying 150€ or $-s you just won't even register compered to them.

The only difference for you will be the smaller player base, because everyone who is not willing to pay that much a week will leave, because they would be less annoying then a fly when they come face to face with a paying player. You will still be the weak one, who has no chance against the elite... except now you are paying for it.

What they should do is ease up the power curve with the gear, making differences smaller, while on the same time add more cosmetics to sell(which they... for some really freaking unknown reason to me... srsly lack... hiring someone to design and pump out 3d models of armors just can't be this hard). And also, add more meaningful content endgame, that keeps players around. Node wars are nice, but we need more like that.

But ofc... that the suggestion above needs investment. And what they would get in return is a steady flow of cash over time. But no asioan investor wants that... They want their money right now. So they cash out on games every time. Hype it up>lure in the players in the first months>cash out on whales>release new game>repeat.

And with your post... you are supporting just that. Shame on you.

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Having more chanes does not entail more successes. It's really that simple.

For someone trying to come at me for "reading comprehension," maybe you should look into a rhetoric or writing skills workshop. But that's not even really the point, now is it?

Yes, because my diction on a game forum is incredible important.

 

you have 500000 silver, I have 50000000, I have more buying power and more resources, I have an advantage and will get further then you, thats the argument here. not his un-app-liable representation of how chance works; because it doesn't mean jack shit in this games borders.

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@War - Okay I'm late to the game, but let's see what's going on here.

His argument isn't moot. It's how it works. If you don't understand that an increase in a number of chances doesn't increase the likelihood of a favorable outcome, then you are a lost cause. Please, for you financial sake, don't ever go to a casino.

 What are you even talking about? [My] probability and [your] probability are independent of one another, as are our chances. You seem to be assuming that a 20% probability per chance equates to 20 successes for every failure. Again, that's not how it works. At all.

 This is true. People are mad because what would take tens of hours of grinding to attain (e.g. 100 million in silver) will have the potential to be gained via money for psuedo-instant gratification. Assuming, of course, the mp is always sold out of these cash shop items and that the items forever remain in high demand.  If, in fact, Daum/Kakao decides to go through with this (which I'm sure they will to, at the very least, test the waters), be sure not to purchase any pearl items with in-game silver if you do not support this model--and that goes for anyone up in arms right now, since most of you will probably continue to play regardless.

This is a moot point; we essentially paid a box fee to unlock items and shit that are normally, in other versions, bound to the cash shop at the onset. If they refund the box fee, expect at least half of your character customization options to become reverted to default and locked behind a Character Appearance Change Coupon.

If you're still confused, misinformed, or just too angry/annoyed to understand... there's nothing more I can do for you without sending an invoice for services rendered.

 

Owwww pretty pls login to pokerstars and come sit at a a headsup table with me for 20 hours, pretty pretty pls!!!!!!!

 

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/106839-thank-you-daum-for-giving-us-working-players-a-chance/&do=findComment&comment=1443327

 

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Having more chanes does not entail more successes. It's really that simple.

For someone trying to come at me for "reading comprehension," maybe you should look into a rhetoric or writing skills workshop. But that's not even really the point, now is it?

"Having more chanes does not entail more successes. It's really that simple."  Please stop saying the most obvious shit and thinking you have proved a point. You are stuck on the same thing! no sh1t in a perfect context where values of numbers are the same, more chances do not equal success. In terms of upgrading items, you can not say this Professor. 

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But what is the advantage? I'm still failing to make this connection in many of the people that tell me the advantage is as serious as they make it out to be.

This is what I'm looking for.
This is what changes minds.

What exactly, in correlation with how the game works, makes this change messed up?
That is what needs to be preached.

 

I think you should be asking that question of the people in favour of the change.

Consider this:  This community is very prone to trying to split players along clear lines of "hardcore" and "carebear" or "PvPer" and "life-skiller" and in this particular case "no lifer" and "cash shop whale". The supporters of this change state that the "no lifers" who in their minds are unemployed basement dwellers, have an advantage over them because they "have jobs and family responsibilities" and "little time to play but a lot of disposable income for games".

Now Kakao is introducing a method by which the "employed people" can use their hard-earned cash to transfer cash shop items to the "no lifers" who supposedly have a lot of silver.

If there is no advantage for them doing so, why would they do it? Out of the goodness of their hearts?

I mean, if there really is no advantage in spending $75-150 a week on items that you are not going to use, but sell to strangers on the marketplace, why would anyone do it?

Wouldn't that essentially turn them into the "no-lifers" sugar daddies?

Just saying...

PS: I do not personally agree with any of the stereotypes portrayed in the example. I think people are far more complex than that.

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Mate, of course there are differences in it's infrastructure and a singular server's capacity, but obviously that is varied depending on the situation. But for you to argue it as SUCH a difference makes you look like an idiot.

Please, enlighten everyone on your intimate knowledge of server infrastructure and it's related costs.

No really, this should be quite amusing.

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The arguement is, given a "seemingly" unlimited amount of silver resource, pen is no longer an if, but a when. 

When I make 300k a year, I get pen gear, might cost me an arm and leg, but I get it.

Well, i understand, but...You still can get PEN without it....It is when either way.

I am not for p2w, just stating the facts.

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bloody peasants.  get some rl loot!

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Please, enlighten everyone on your intimate knowledge of server infrastructure and it's related costs.
No really, this should be quite amusing.

You're the one stating that Path's server infrastructure is vastly different from BDO. Therefore the responsibility lies on you, not me lel. You're the one arguing against that fact, then prove it yourself. Same concept of you stating 'find an mom that hasn't done this blah blah', and I came to you with Path of Exile. I never claimed to be an expert, but you surely did by your 'confidence' in your belief that they are so dramatically different they can't be compared. Again, gtfo your high horse :)

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Well, i understand, but...You still can get PEN without it....It is when either way.

I am not for p2w, just stating the facts.

The issue with the wen in the non pay to win option is that it's going to require hardwork one way or another, unless you 0 stacked it from pri and have the luck of the devil..

 

but on average, a player who tries to make pen without paying will take exponentially longer then someone who has 100's more chances at enchanting it in a week, people don't like that.

 

I mean, for me it's bitter sweet, Now I can easily grind way more silver just from sitting behind my desk at work... but you also don't get combat expierence from that... and what a lot of people don't realize is that gear makes a huge difference if your on the same level as someone, but if someone is 3-4 levels ahead, then your gear doesn't mean to much at all..

 

with that being said though, I guess you could make the argument that I could use my money and purchased silver to acquire a large amount of exp bonuses and thus have an advantage that way as well..

 

in conlusion though, I'm actually surprised so many care... this game is not competitive, atleast not enough to warrant my care of p2w factors or not... there's barely a pvp leaderboard, and there's nothing that exonerates individual pvp excellence except partial community notoriety and some form of bragging rights..

 

I know it's a sandbox game.. but I can't help but feel that if there was a little more attention on arena pvp, I'd care much much more about gearing out.

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No lifers will put more money into the game than you and also be grinding and gearing up twice as hard. You will never catch up working man. :D

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30$.

That's cute lmao.
LMAO.

MY 30$ PURCHASE IS ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THIS GAME THROUGH XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

Cause developers don't cost money.
Cause banning people doesn't cost money.
Cause cahrge backs don't cost money.
Cause hiring people to deal with your stupid ass tickets don't cost money.
Cause creating new content / fixing bugs / pushing patches / hosting serves / "upgrading(meh)" servers, etc don't cost 

jack

-----ing

shit.

Right?

But no worries, bruh.
Your 30$ covered that.

i saw alot of stupid posts from u... but this shows what little sausage u are lol :D <3

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You're the one stating that Path's server infrastructure is vastly different from BDO. Therefore the responsibility lies on you, not me lel. You're the one arguing against that fact, then prove it yourself. Same concept of you stating 'find an mom that hasn't done this blah blah', and I came to you with Path of Exile. I never claimed to be an expert, but you surely did by your 'confidence' in your belief that they are so dramatically different they can't be compared. Again, gtfo your high horse :)

Actually you are the one who claimed that all the servers used for a limited instance Action RPG are identical to those used by a MMO!  I've now asked you to explain that point in greater detail.  If you can't explain it, then your assumption is wrong and thus your argument is wrong.

Again, you can keep talking about action RPG's, MOBAs, and lobby shooters all day they got no bearing when we talking about MMOs.

Maybe it's you who should be getting off their high horse and admit they don't have a good response and are wrong.

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When people confuse "working" with moms credit card and welfare checks.

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You don't speak me, as I am a player that works 10 hours a day.

And I am sure, based on the reactions of the majority of the BDO community, that there are thousands of other players who have jobs that completely disagree with your point of view.

So please, get down from your pedestal and change the name of your topic.

LOl...and where is this mythical majority...here and redditt?  Users who use forums are the minority...always have been, always will be.

The majority just log in to said game and play...and either continue or stop depending on their own perceived opinions.

Please idiots of BDO forums...stop talking the for the majority, talk for yourselves only.

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