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All those P2W talks hardly means anything and this is a good move

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If ppl can buy everything from cash shop with ingame currency, so people have a choice now instead of the only means to acquire them is to pay real money, this is good, and hardly P2W

I am 38 years old and have a full time job, 2 kids that are in primary school. I can only squeez out maybe 1-2 hours of gaming time everyday and I have been playing this game for 2 months, only have 1 char and he is lvl42 atm. 

I just dont get why there are so many people complain about P2W in this game, cause as far as I noticed there is no such thing in this game. People can not just spend money to get something out of thin air that's not available to you. Well, until this patch happens people can still spend real cash to buy pets and outfit and costume you can not get in game.

What this add is just more convenient for people who don't spent real money. People talk about others spend cash to acquire items easily, if you dont want to spent time you can spend money and do so yourself, how come other people getting better stuff affect your play and is unfair? You have choose the way you want to play the game and all the achievements you have gained is yours only. Different people have different play style and limit. Should all people be limited to 2 hours of playing time each day so no unfair advandage to people who can play 24/7? Should people with fast reflex and quick thinking be chopped off a few fingers and get a few hits to the head so they don't get unfair advantage over others? 

The whole point of P2W in this game is just unvaild. You can not get younger and get all your energy and vitality back, you can not get 25 hours a day and 400 days a year, but you can make more money.

If you don't want to spend real money playing game, it is your choice and you choose it that way to experience this game. Just don't force other people so they can't enjoy the game their way.

 

 

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You say you're 38 years old, which means you might have played World of Warcraft when it was released?

Do you remember those days? We paid for a full, bug free and tested game. We paid for expansions to said game. There was no release day "DLC". There was no "P2W".

We paid for the game, perhaps a subscription on top and that was it. Besides your computer, gaming was a pretty cheap hobby.

You had to play the game to achieve something, but what you achieved was because of what YOU did, it was YOUR hard work and not someone else.

I am sad you think this is for the better.

 

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P2W kills any meaningful PVP competition. What's the point and spending time and effort getting good at something (in the case of MMOs, mostly getting good gear) when someone with more money can get to a similar level and let the gear carry them? BDO's end game for guilds is the PVP, social arena and P2W kills it. Who cares if you take a T3 node when none of the stronger guilds are around anymore?

There's still things to enjoy about the game, and it's fine that some people don't have as much time as others. Some games work with a real life to in game currency conversion because the mechanics don't break the gameplay. This is not one of those games.

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You say you're 38 years old, which means you might have played World of Warcraft when it was released?

Do you remember those days? We paid for a full, bug free and tested game. We paid for expansions to said game. There was no release day "DLC". There was no "P2W".

We paid for the game, perhaps a subscription on top and that was it. Besides your computer, gaming was a pretty cheap hobby.

You had to play the game to achieve something, but what you achieved was because of what YOU did, it was YOUR hard work and not someone else.

I am sad you think this is for the better.

 

you said so yourself, "what you achieved was because of what YOU did, it was YOUR hard work and not someone else" 

so how come other people spend real money affect your? they played the game their way and achieved something they enjoyed

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You're right..You summed up P2W perfectly.

That's why everyone who doesn't want p2w will leave and the game's competition will be simply based around who has the fattest wallet.

Pic Related : Kakao base HQ

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P2W kills any meaningful PVP competition. What's the point and spending time and effort getting good at something (in the case of MMOs, mostly getting good gear) when someone with more money can get to a similar level and let the gear carry them? BDO's end game for guilds is the PVP, social arena and P2W kills is. Who cares if you take a T3 node when none of the stronger guilds are around anymore?

There's still things to enjoy about the game, and it's fine that some people don't have as much time as others. Some games work with a real life to in game currency conversion because the mechanics don't break the gameplay. This is not one of those games.

There is no meaningful PVP in the 1st place, people can spent different amount of time, different amount of money, if your meaningful PVP is about equal then you won't find it

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you said so yourself, "what you achieved was because of what YOU did, it was YOUR hard work and not someone else" 

so how come other people spend real money affect your? they played the game their way and achieved something they enjoyed

I spent a lot of money in ArcheAge. And I won. For people who didn't have that money to spend, or who wanted to spend it on something else, it made the game suck. It made them quit the game. There is much better things to spend money on than buying gear in a game, and I swore to never play another game like ArcheAge.

You do realise that even if you start pumping money into this game, you still won't be able to keep up as you don't have the time to level...

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If ppl can buy everything from cash shop with ingame currency, so people have a choice now instead of the only means to acquire them is to pay real money, this is good, and hardly P2W

I am 38 years old and have a full time job, 2 kids that are in primary school. I can only squeez out maybe 1-2 hours of gaming time everyday and I have been playing this game for 2 months, only have 1 char and he is lvl42 atm. 

I just dont get why there are so many people complain about P2W in this game, cause as far as I noticed there is no such thing in this game. People can not just spend money to get something out of thin air that's not available to you. Well, until this patch happens people can still spend real cash to buy pets and outfit and costume you can not get in game.

What this add is just more convenient for people who don't spent real money. People talk about others spend cash to acquire items easily, if you dont want to spent time you can spend money and do so yourself, how come other people getting better stuff affect your play and is unfair? You have choose the way you want to play the game and all the achievements you have gained is yours only. Different people have different play style and limit. Should all people be limited to 2 hours of playing time each day so no unfair advandage to people who can play 24/7? Should people with fast reflex and quick thinking be chopped off a few fingers and get a few hits to the head so they don't get unfair advantage over others? 

The whole point of P2W in this game is just unvaild. You can not get younger and get all your energy and vitality back, you can not get 25 hours a day and 400 days a year, but you can make more money.

If you don't want to spend real money playing game, it is your choice and you choose it that way to experience this game. Just don't force other people so they can't enjoy the game their wa

Is this your first mmo? If not you should knew how huge negative impact has p2w in the mmo community. If the game is p2w is always the first question that most ppl ask before they play. Yes with the p2w mechanics you can get equipment without spending time in the game but where is the fun to play an mmo alone?

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well, to not completely burst the OP's bubble, it is true, progression in this game doesn't come from just being able to horde huge amounts of silver.
if you have 1-2 hours a day, you will hardly catch-up to the hardcore, not even the average players.
but if you have 1-2 hours a day, why spend RL cash to make silver with at all?`it seems like a huge waste to me, so either way, you will never be a competitive player in this game.

but implementing this feature "now" will certainly do unrepairable damage to the game.
the main issue is, the game was launched as a B2P game, they should've just launched it like the did in KR/JP/RU if they had planned to turn it into the same game as the other versions anyways.

giving players the option to earn silver with real cash now will throw in a certain imbalance, that could've been avoided if they had just done so to begin with.

but hey, what did you expect, this game has korean roots, your publisher has korean roots, their MMORPG market is the biggest and greediest to be found.
i'll just sit here and watch things take a turn for the worse, as there is no other possible outcome.this will not end in a good way.

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I am 38 years old and have a full time job, 2 kids that are in primary school. I can only squeez out maybe 1-2 hours of gaming time everyday and I have been playing this game for 2 months, only have 1 char and he is lvl42 atm. 

Your problem, no one elses.  Life isn't fair.  Some can play more than others, they will always have an advantage.  MMO's been like this since the days of MUD's.

I just dont get why there are so many people complain about P2W in this game, cause as far as I noticed there is no such thing in this game. People can not just spend money to get something out of thin air that's not available to you

You do realise people do sell top tier gear yes?  You do realise boss gear is in the night vendor?  THus, selling cash shop items = in game silver = buys the best gear = getting something very easily.

What this add is just more convenient for people who don't spent real money. People talk about others spend cash to acquire items easily, if you dont want to spent time you can spend money and do so yourself, how come other people getting better stuff affect your play and is unfair? You have choose the way you want to play the game and all the achievements you have gained is yours only. Different people have different play style and limit. Should all people be limited to 2 hours of playing time each day so no unfair advandage to people who can play 24/7? Should people with fast reflex and quick thinking be chopped off a few fingers and get a few hits to the head so they don't get unfair advantage over others? 

NO they shouldn't.  Thus whining that I have a life and kids and work is -----ing shit.  Either change your life, hobbies, or suck it up.

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funny how all the pro-p2w threads are not locked and deleted with owners being banned. but not pro-p2w are all banned and most deleted. disgusting tactics.

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I don't understand people with so so little free time, they chose a grindy korean mmo to play, i don't get it and i never will.

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You're right..You summed up P2W perfectly.

That's why everyone who doesn't want p2w will leave and the game's competition will be simply based around who has the fattest wallet.

Pic Related : Kakao base HQ

Edit: If they do decide to go full p2w we will literally shut down the game because the guys at Daum wrote that the game will never be p2w. People have screenshots and proof of that and we could literally file for a refund because it's false advertisement of a product.

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You are saying that like everyone is playing PVP

How come this is P2W? They just give people who doesn't spend real money a chance to get the item mall items.

They said they will not go p2w, as far as I see they are not, if people want to ask for refund based on that, then it's their choice and the decision is to be made by the corresponding partys.

Different interpretations, you want to view it as p2w, I view it as convenient

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funny how all the pro-p2w threads are not locked and deleted with owners being banned. but not pro-p2w are all banned and most deleted. disgusting tactics.

It is what it is. If Kakao wants to kill their own game through greed and fascist tactics we can't stop them.

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You are saying that like everyone is playing PVP

How come this is P2W? They just give people who doesn't spend real money a chance to get the item mall items.

They said they will not go p2w, as far as I see they are not, if people want to ask for refund based on that, then it's their choice and the decision is to be made by the corresponding partys.

Different interpretations, you want to view it as p2w, I view it as convenient

Not my fault you chose a Korean grindfest game.

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You are saying that like everyone is playing PVP

How come this is P2W? They just give people who doesn't spend real money a chance to get the item mall items.

They said they will not go p2w, as far as I see they are not, if people want to ask for refund based on that, then it's their choice and the decision is to be made by the corresponding partys.

Different interpretations, you want to view it as p2w, I view it as convenient

There are far better ways to give pearl items accessibility without the AH to play a role in it.

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I spent a lot of money in ArcheAge. And I won. For people who didn't have that money to spend, or who wanted to spend it on something else, it made the game suck. It made them quit the game. There is much better things to spend money on than buying gear in a game, and I swore to never play another game like ArcheAge.

You do realise that even if you start pumping money into this game, you still won't be able to keep up as you don't have the time to level...

To keep up with what? Why won't I have time to level?

Because someone spend a lot of money they can stop me from getting items and getting exp?

I played ArchAge and I spent a lot too, and I enjoyed it. I played League of Legend and I didn't spend anything and I enjoyed it aswell

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You say you're 38 years old, which means you might have played World of Warcraft when it was released?

Do you remember those days? We paid for a full, bug free and tested game. We paid for expansions to said game. There was no release day "DLC". There was no "P2W".

We paid for the game, perhaps a subscription on top and that was it. Besides your computer, gaming was a pretty cheap hobby.

You had to play the game to achieve something, but what you achieved was because of what YOU did, it was YOUR hard work and not someone else.

I am sad you think this is for the better.

 

wow sucked btw,  to the op, yes it is a good move.  freedom of choices is always good.

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There is no meaningful PVP in the 1st place, people can spent different amount of time, different amount of money, if your meaningful PVP is about equal then you won't find it

"..., it is your choice and you choose it that way to experience this game."

Telling people to play the game their way, then telling me that part of why I enjoy the game isn't meaningful.

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Your problem, no one elses.  Life isn't fair.  Some can play more than others, they will always have an advantage.  MMO's been like this since the days of MUD's.

You do realise people do sell top tier gear yes?  You do realise boss gear is in the night vendor?  THus, selling cash shop items = in game silver = buys the best gear = getting something very easily.

NO they shouldn't.  Thus whining that I have a life and kids and work is -----ing shit.  Either change your life, hobbies, or suck it up.

 

Ok, I am gona do it your way

Your problem, no one else. Life isn't fair that someone can spend more than others, they will always have an advantage.

So where do all those top tier gears come from that people are selling? They just paid some cash and it magiclly poped out?

Last bit, stop whining that I don't have money and my life is ---ing shit. Go work for money or beg, suck it up

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To keep up with what? Why won't I have time to level?

Because someone spend a lot of money they can stop me from getting items and getting exp?

I played ArchAge and I spent a lot too, and I enjoyed it. I played League of Legend and I didn't spend anything and I enjoyed it aswell

Played AA and spent a lot? played LoL and spent nothing? so you spend where p2w exists? gg.

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Not my fault you chose a Korean grindfest game when you have your wife's kids to look after.

Not my fault you choose a game where you can't afford to play???

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Ok, I am gona do it your way

Your problem, no one else. Life isn't fair that someone can spend more than others, they will always have an advantage.

So where do all those top tier gears come from that people are selling? They just paid some cash and it magiclly poped out?

Last bit, stop whining that I don't have money and my life is ---ing shit. Go work for money or beg, suck it up

I can afford it, I just don't find p2w meaningful. It doesn't give me a sense of accomplishment.

 

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You're playing 1-2 hours a day. You have 1 character. Said character is level 42. You've been playing for 2 months. You've barely experienced ANYTHING this game has to offer let alone the end game where p2w does make a very significant difference. You can buy ANYTHING in this game through the marketplace, as long as you have the silver. That includes boss armor and the best weapons possible. Fully upgraded too. This a pvp game. There are no end game raids or dungeon crawls. The pve content is limited because the focus is the pvp.

This is p2w because you can make more money selling cash shop items on the marketplace than you could grinding all day every day. You could literally sit in town for a month and just swipe your credit card and by the time you left town you'd be nearly invincible.

edit: Don't expect your opinion to hold any kind of weight if you have no idea what you're talking about. This "convenience" is the very definition of p2w.

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Played AA and spent a lot? played LoL and spent nothing? so you spend where p2w exists? gg.

I spend money because the option exist that suits me to get a better experience, why not

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