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Ap vs dp worth?


AP   157 votes

  1. 1. DP

    • 1 AP = 1DP
      7
    • 1 AP = 2DP
      63
    • 1 AP = 3DP
      42
    • 1 AP = 10DP
      30
    • 1 DP = -5AP
      4
    • 1 DP = -10AP
      11

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equivalent exchange makes no sense on jupiter

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I've heard it's not quite 1:2, more like somewhere in the range of 1:1.5-1:2.  

Anyways I voted 1:2 since that's closest.

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AP > all

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1 ap is like 10 dp and I'm pre sure too

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I wish it was 2DP per 1AP, but base on experience, its like after 100 DP = 100AP it becomes 110 DP = 101 AP then the gap gets bigger. 

Someone who has 300DP will always get destroyed by someone with someone who has 140+ AP.

 

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all i know is i have 200 AP on my ranger and feel like i do no damage to the people in Red Battle Field. 

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all i know is i have 200 AP on my ranger and feel like i do no damage to the people in Red Battle Field. 

what are you using for accuracy? power doesn't get you anywhere if your hits don't land. 

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isnt red battlefield equalized past certain ap threshold?

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Doesn't matter what we think it is, what we do know is 150+ ap obliterates 300+ DP quite quickly assuming there's enough accuracy to land as well.  DP scaling is very bad and most should stop going for more of it and focus on AP.  Having 400 DP won't accomplish anything when your enemy has 200 AP or more.

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Doesn't matter what we think it is, what we do know is 150+ ap obliterates 300+ DP quite quickly assuming there's enough accuracy to land as well.  DP scaling is very bad and most should stop going for more of it and focus on AP.  Having 400 DP won't accomplish anything when your enemy has 200 AP or more.

um wat

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Someone who has 300DP will always get destroyed by someone with someone who has 140+ AP.

 

lol

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Why is this a poll as if stats are an opinion?

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um wat

Where's the problem?

It's common knowledge DP scaling is very bad, this is why 200 AP can destroy 400 DP quickly.

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Where's the problem?
It's common knowledge DP scaling is very bad, this is why 200 AP can destroy 400 DP quickly.

the problem is that you people  spam too much bullshit on the forums 

 

offense  = AP and accuracy

defense = defense, evasion (both of which are DP), damage reduction 

 

accuracy = invisible 

evasion and defense = BOTH VISIBLE UNDER THE NAME OF "DP"  (plus probably invisible values all over the place)

you get the "illusion" that AP is better because accuracy is invisible and evasion is not (and is combined with defense in the same stat) 

 

 

200 AP vs 200 pure defense + dmg reduction + face hits and you'll see that AP doesn't really do that much

 

person with 180 ap can destroy you  and at the same time another person with 200 ap can be weak as hell

 

things that matter way more than randoms think are dmg reduction, accuracy of attacker vs evasion of defender, back,down,critical,air attacks which are a huge boost

 

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Doesn't matter what we think it is, what we do know is 150+ ap obliterates 300+ DP quite quickly assuming there's enough accuracy to land as well.  DP scaling is very bad and most should stop going for more of it and focus on AP.  Having 400 DP won't accomplish anything when your enemy has 200 AP or more.

B.S.

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I wish it was 2DP per 1AP, but base on experience, its like after 100 DP = 100AP it becomes 110 DP = 101 AP then the gap gets bigger. 

Someone who has 300DP will always get destroyed by someone with someone who has 140+ AP.

 

never. i have 144 AP and cant destroy the warrior who has 280 DP. even if he is afk. and i make complete combos. 1 rotation cant kill the guy.

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B.S.

Is it?  Not like you can prove otherwise.

the problem is that you people  spam too much bullshit on the forums 

 

offense  = AP and accuracy

defense = defense, evasion (both of which are DP), damage reduction 

 

accuracy = invisible 

evasion and defense = BOTH VISIBLE UNDER THE NAME OF "DP"  (plus probably invisible values all over the place)

you get the "illusion" that AP is better because accuracy is invisible and evasion is not (and is combined with defense in the same stat) 

 

 

200 AP vs 200 pure defense + dmg reduction + face hits and you'll see that AP doesn't really do that much

 

person with 180 ap can destroy you  and at the same time another person with 200 ap can be weak as hell

 

things that matter way more than randoms think are dmg reduction, accuracy of attacker vs evasion of defender, back,down,critical,air attacks which are a huge boost

 

Everybody knows the hidden bonuses that you speak of, they aren't mysterious.  Evasion is nerfed and is practically useless.  However you need a bit more accuracy if they are stacking this stat for whatever reason.  With 200 AP and most people also have the accuracy to boot(Gems, accuracy offhand, accuracy from kzarka and liverto, bheg gloves, accuracy on skills, etc.), 400 DP still isn't going to last very long, accuracy isn't very hard to stack either.  DP scaling is broken when you account for that like I was.

Only bullshit I see is suggesting DP scaling is fine which is coming from you.  Of course if you don't have the accuracy, you aren't going to win against 200 DP, 300 DP or 400 DP; especially if they outlevel you.  However majority of people do indeed have accuracy as well as levels give or take.  The accuracy isn't going to be a problem for most.

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every AP / DP after 100  ... is a ratio of almost 3 at the upper ends.   IE: 175 AP = 350 dp

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Evasion is nerfed and is practically useless. 

Yea , then you dont need muskan shoes, right?

I was testing damage against dude with duo muskan and pretty much, with stacking accuracy, i was missing almost 50% of my hits.

Warrior with muskan shoes and vangertz will be hard to hit without bhegs.

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Is it?  Not like you can prove otherwise.

I can, because with 240dp, against 150ap players I am an invincible god. 

As a -----ing maehwa.

But please, continue spreading BS.

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Is it?  Not like you can prove otherwise.

Everybody knows the hidden bonuses that you speak of, they aren't mysterious.  Evasion is nerfed and is practically useless.  However you need a bit more accuracy if they are stacking this stat for whatever reason.  With 200 AP and most people also have the accuracy to boot(Gems, accuracy offhand, accuracy from kzarka and liverto, bheg gloves, accuracy on skills, etc.), 400 DP still isn't going to last very long, accuracy isn't very hard to stack either.  DP scaling is broken when you account for that like I was.
Only bullshit I see is suggesting DP scaling is fine which is coming from you.  Of course if you don't have the accuracy, you aren't going to win against 200 DP, 300 DP or 400 DP; especially if they outlevel you.  However majority of people do indeed have accuracy as well as levels give or take.  The accuracy isn't going to be a problem for most.

you're a clown

 

 

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I can, because with 240dp, against 150ap players I am an invincible god. 

As a -----ing maehwa.

But please, continue spreading BS.

That doesn't prove anything if all you are going by is his AP.  Do you know his accuracy?  Since you didn't state that, it's unlikely you know that.  150 ap isn't 200 AP which is the preferred context as well as 300+ DP or did we forget what I was talking about?  That's where the scaling going downward starts being noticeable.  It's like a softcap and if there actually is a softcap, posting below that won't show anything.  Given how many softcaps there are, it's pretty easy to see there being one here as well.  Keep stacking that DP though, you'll see it being pointless after awakenings lol  Everybody has high AP at that point.
 

@Chors

Nerfed does mean nonexistent but I did say it's pointless to stack it.  It's not as good as it was before the nerf is what that means.  It's still there but not as good as it was.  Stacking more accuracy is still needed though for the counter; likely more than what you had since you were still missing.  Believe you used to need even more accuracy to counter it as well since that's when it was a bit oped.  Then it got nerfed so you need less accuracy to hit it now and it evades less.  I still view it as pointless though since you'll still get hit with high evasion if they have high or higher accuracy than normal, that's my opinion though

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That doesn't prove anything if all you are going by is his AP.  Do you know his accuracy?  Since you didn't state that, it's unlikely you know that.  150 ap isn't 200 AP which is the preferred context as well as 300+ DP or did we forget what I was talking about?  That's where the scaling going downward starts being noticeable.  It's like a softcap and if there actually is a softcap, posting below that won't show anything.  Given how many softcaps there are, it's pretty easy to see there being one here as well. 

Did you?

Doesn't matter what we think it is, what we do know is 150+ ap obliterates 300+ DP quite quickly

But keep on moving the goalposts so you can feel like you're right. The people had accuracy offhands, bheg's gloves, or plenty of accuracy from jewelry. Their hits landed fine. They just did no damage. Because you're wrong. 

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Did you?

But keep on moving the goalposts so you can feel like you're right. The people had accuracy offhands, bheg's gloves, or plenty of accuracy from jewelry. Their hits landed fine. They just did no damage. Because you're wrong. 

Yes you can find one post that says 150 AP.  You can also find others with 200 AP.  Little relevance there, as for his accuracy that sounds like a guess.  

"The people had accuracy offhands, bheg's gloves, or plenty of accuracy from jewelry.".  The 'or' is very important, sounds like you have no idea where their accuracy came from if they even had accuracy to match the levels which you voided altogether.  The story sounds like bullshit or made up just to prove your point here.  Keep stacking DP though, you'll see it working fine when awakenings are out and we have 200-250 AP players shredding through it like KR.  That's the evidence showcasing DP scaling poorly at the high end.  But of course all those videos are wrong because you two people have to be right and be justified in having high DP. 

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Yes you can find one post that says 150 AP.  You can also find others with 200 AP.  Little relevance there, as for his accuracy that sounds like a guess.  
"The people had accuracy offhands, bheg's gloves, or plenty of accuracy from jewelry.".  The 'or' is very important, sounds like you have no idea where their accuracy came from if they even had accuracy to match the levels which you voided altogether.  The story sounds like bullshit or made up just to prove your point here.  Keep stacking DP though, you'll see it working fine when awakenings are out and we have 200-250 AP players shredding through it like KR.  That's the evidence showcasing DP scaling poorly at the high end.  But of course all those videos are wrong because you two people have to be right and be justified in having high DP. 

 

The "or" is because I've tested this against many, many people. I didn't write down a detailed list of people's stats that I've dueled so I could rebuke someone using extreme hyperbole on the forums at a later date, but it's not real hard to discuss gear with someone you've dueled standing around at world bosses... mostly because they were wondering why they did no damage to me.

Never said DP was going to be useful with awakenings (which scales off both awakened weapon AP and non-awakened weapon AP, skewing the results for the simple-minded who don't understand that, like you champ), nor did I say it was a good stat to stack. I pointed out you greatly exaggerating or outright lying, which is bad and should not be done. "I said that, but I said some other stuff too, even though you quoted the post where I said 150ap obliterates 300dp and said BS and that's what you've been arguing this whole time, I'm going to now change that to 200ap, because I'm a nincompoop and going to argue this with the steadfast determination of a moron running into a wall" is all you're saying at this point. I pointed out where you were wrong and how I know you're wrong, and your response is to bring up something completely unrelated and act like you're correct because of it.

You can pound sand now, because you don't have any idea what you're talking about as far as stats or even knowing the contents of your own damn posts. Good day, dingus.

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