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"At the moment"

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Rick van Beem " umm I mean I can understand that a lot of people perceive it this way, but if u actually ahhhh because this system was actually like build into the game from like very early stage and was rolled out at this time. Aaahhhm if you now look at how do market self do regulates you need to sell a lot of premium items in order to get enough silver to do anything meaningfull with it, so AT THE MOMENT we are closely looking at you know how this is all ********** and we are closely monitoring the ingame economy, but AT THE MOMENT I think it is very hard to justify that it is p2w "

well for all the people in the forum that was justifying Jouska with that phrase FOR THE MOMENT ..... what can I say as long as they are monitoring the marketplace it will not be p2w but I wonder how much is this actually gona be and how long till those costumes indeed went up to 100 mil

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they'd better not change the CS item pricing tho.

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Another thread about the same video?

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Oh god, yet another pointless thread to add to the outrage circlejerk these forums have turned into.

Seriously, go play something (anything) else if you hate BDO that much. You'll feel better and I'll get to read these forums without having to wade through thousands of identical topics moaning about every little thing CONSTANTLY.

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i find it more alarming that they are under the assumption that awakening weapons are on par with our standard weapons... 

 

um no.. that awakening weapons make everything that came before more or less redundant in general game play, choosing to retain you old weapon and ignore awakenings will see you massivly restricted and disadvantaged. 

awakenings do not add to move set, they replace you entire old play style and reinvent the class from scratch. 

that in itself is not so bad, but they need to realise that awakening vs non awakening is a bigger deal that someone just having more variety in attacks at their disposal 

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Oh god, yet another pointless thread to add to the outrage circlejerk these forums have turned into.

Seriously, go play something (anything) else if you hate BDO that much. You'll feel better and I'll get to read these forums without having to wade through thousands of identical topics moaning about every little thing CONSTANTLY.

nope I actually like BDO its rly amazing game. Just that management is awful and it will drag the game to the point beyond despair

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Oh god, yet another pointless thread to add to the outrage circlejerk these forums have turned into.

Seriously, go play something (anything) else if you hate BDO that much. You'll feel better and I'll get to read these forums without having to wade through thousands of identical topics moaning about every little thing CONSTANTLY.

The people upset over P2W aren't upset about it because they hate BDO. They're upset about it because they don't hate BDO, and don't want to see the game get ruined by it.

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To the OP

 

Pay to Win:

Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.

 

From the definition of that phrase we have to conclude that it is a p2w game.   

 

Addictive behavior would always try to find a way to explain that it isnt that bad..   

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well for all the people in the forum that was justifying Jouska with that phrase FOR THE MOMENT ..... what can I say as long as they are monitoring the marketplace it will not be p2w but I wonder how much is this actually gona be and how long till those costumes indeed went up to 100 mil

Ok, the game industry is a business, and like all businesses, they run on supply and demand. People will buy costumes to sell, thus supplying the market, and others will demand and buy these posted items. Look at it right now. Items are selling fast, giving reason for these suppliers to keep buying. If the price were to be raised to 100m, it would destroy the market. Why? Because no one would actually buy them off the market. Unlike KR, we do not have Valk's tears, and unlike many of these other non-issues the community has an issue with, Daum stated directly, that Valk's tears will not exist. Those are the ONLY reason these costumes sell at 100m there. 20m is a price point where there is still a large demand, and if they were 100m, I'd say "screw that" and go buy something useful like an Ogre ring, or like the other 99% of players, simply forget about it because it can't be afforded.

Think about it, if they allowed the price to raise that high, Kakao would be shooting themselves in the foot and CUTTING their profits. The whales will stop buying if the items stop selling, and that's only less money for Kakao. That's why the prices will never be that high.

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If they've proven anything, it is that "at the moment" means "We are definitely going to implement this thing you're going to hate at some point."

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once again:  

win
win/
verb
verb: win; 3rd person present: wins; past tense: won; past participle: won; gerund or present participle: winning
  1. 1.
    be successful or victorious in (a contest or conflict).
    "the Mets have won four games in a row"
    synonyms:take, be the victor in, be the winner of, come first in, take first prize in, triumph in,be successful in More
     
     
     
    antonyms:lose
  2. 2.
    acquire or secure as a result of a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor.
    "there are hundreds of prizes to be won"
    synonyms:securegaingarnercollect, pick up, walk away/off with, carry off; More
     
     
    • gain (a person's attention, support, or love), typically gradually or by effort.
      "you will find it difficult to win back their attention"
      synonyms:captivatestealsnarecapture
      "she won his heart"
    • gain the support or favor of someone by action or persuasion.
      "her sense of humor had won him over at once"
    • manage to succeed or achieve something by effort.
      "talent won out over bureaucracy"
    • archaic
      manage to reach (a place) by effort.
      "many lived to win the great cave"
    • obtain (ore) from a mine.
noun
noun: win; plural noun: wins
  1. 1.
    a successful result in a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor; a victory.
    "a win against Norway"
    synonyms:victorytriumphconquest
    "a 1–0 win"
    antonyms:defeat
Origin
 
Old English winnan ‘strive, contend,’ also ‘subdue and take possession of, acquire,’ of Germanic origin.

and take possession of, acquire 

 

I don't know why everyone thinks that a Semantics battle over the word "Win" is ever going to be fruitful for defending a pay to Convenience system, given that the entire point of Convenience is TO ACQUIRE something.   It doesn't matter if that act of acquiring is just "faster" for a hardcore player because for most Casual players those differences in how quickly they can take possession of that goal ... is literally the difference between getting it or not getting it because they actually have lives outside of these stupid kinds of games and these stupid kinds of arguments.  And if you don't like the fact that "Filthy Casuals" make up 90% of Market share ... well then don't tell us about it ... don't say "Git Gud" when YOU'RE THE ONE who's on the losing end of that argument with Society in general.  Maybe 50 years into the future when we're all Jobless because Bots & AI's took every single menial Job there was ... we'll all have the option to be No-Lifing Git-Gud'ers supported by some Orwellian Wellfare State.  But for the time being, 1000+ years of multiple languages merging into one and all the human history alongside it has concluded that Win simply means to Gain.  

 

Your own little personal definitions of what you think Win is and how it could leave little cut-outs for gaining something without outright winning it ... is irrelevant and makes you look like you're incapable of using basic language Resources or technology in general and that destroys any "Got Gud" credibility you think you have.

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this costume  100 mil  meme has  to  stop  lmao...  only  reason they  are  so high  is  1.valks  tears. 2. the overall average  gold  per  player is  much higher in  kr than in eu  or na..

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this costume  100 mil  meme has  to  stop  lmao...  only  reason they  are  so high  is  1.valks  tears. 2. the overall average  gold  per  player is  much higher in  kr than in eu  or na..

so what happens then 6 months from now when we catch up to where they were?

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You know, you may not want to cherry pick the definition of "Win" to make a point, if you are going to bold the part you think proves you right, you need to use the whole thing

"subdue and take possession of, acquire" Subdue and take possession of. Subdue, in other words you need to strive, bring under control in order to take possession of and acquire. So, really, win does mean what you are arguing against it meaning. Also, that comes from it's origins, the accepted modern definition is what is above your apparent "point"

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You know, you may not want to cherry pick the definition of "Win" to make a point, if you are going to bold the part you think proves you right, you need to use the whole thing

"subdue and take possession of, acquire" Subdue and take possession of. Subdue, in other words you need to strive, bring under control in order to take possession of and acquire. So, really, win does mean what you are arguing against it meaning. Also, that comes from it's origins, the accepted modern definition is what is above your apparent "point"

That's the "final statement" portion of it AND the root origin of the term.  There is no "cherry picking" in citing the origin.  Now,  What part of it is subjective and supports your Special-Snowflake clause??   No, really, tell me which sections of it up there Quantitatively gives you that special Cut-Out where literally EVERYONE CAN GAIN THE SAME ADVANTAGE and there are no Losers because the time disparity is so insignificant as to have no impact at all?

 

Go on....  Citation please...  I'm waiting  ...  If you want to win this argument, you have to prove that 1000+ years of humanity has always been "Socialist" and never absolutist in deferring to equality in outcome versus opportunity.  EG, You literally have to prove that History was written by the losers

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