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Enchanting Downgrade Chances

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I've done some searches, but haven't found any direct discussion of this, so I thought I'd ask.

My experience isn't very good with it; in fact, so far, in every attempt I've made to enchant to 18 (TRI) my gear has dropped back down to PRI from DUO. I don't believe that the chance to downgrade is 100% (I haven't tried nearly enough times to guess at a rate, I could just be unlucky), but it seems likely it's pretty substantial.

So, from your experiences, what do you think the chance of downgrading on failure to enchant higher is?

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In my experience, every time I attempt +18 and fail it goes back to +16.

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it's 100%

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It is 100 %

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yep 100% downgrade chance on fail here too.

 

Seems rng is atleast good for fails.... and instead of upgradeing it trolls us by downgradeing...

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Well, I was afraid that was the answer, ouch.

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Hey, you can lower it to 30%.

By spending a billion in Cron stones.

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it's 100%

Wow even experienced player like you dont remember that chance isnt 100%?There is little chance (probably even less then 1%) that item will not downgrade... But its even worse cause you will loose your failstacks instead... Thats why everyone should be happy if item downgrade, cause you avoided that small chance to loose failstacks instead...

 

Do you even understand guys that if chance to downgrade would not be 99%+ we would have hundreds of players with pen weapon/armor already? Look how many ppl fail tet everyday and try to imagine how it would end without that downgrade drawback...

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Wow even experienced player like you dont remember that chance isnt 100%?There is little chance (probably even less then 1%) that item will not downgrade... But its even worse cause you will loose your failstacks instead... Thats why everyone should be happy if item downgrade, cause you avoided that small chance to loose failstacks instead...

 

Do you even understand guys that if chance to downgrade would not be 99%+ we would have hundreds of players with pen weapon/armor already? Look how many ppl fail tet everyday and try to imagine how it would end without that downgrade drawback...

It wouldn't be so bad.

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It wouldn't be so bad.

Only ignorant casual who dont know whats real value of failstacks and proper fs management can write sth like this... Do you even understand how many tet armors you need to fail to get sth like 100+ fs?

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Wow even experienced player like you dont remember that chance isnt 100%?There is little chance (probably even less then 1%) that item will not downgrade... But its even worse cause you will loose your failstacks instead... Thats why everyone should be happy if item downgrade, cause you avoided that small chance to loose failstacks instead...

 

Do you even understand guys that if chance to downgrade would not be 99%+ we would have hundreds of players with pen weapon/armor already? Look how many ppl fail tet everyday and try to imagine how it would end without that downgrade drawback...

show me that its not 100 % never heard thid what ur saying.

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Do you even understand guys that if chance to downgrade would not be 99%+ we would have hundreds of players with pen weapon/armor already? Look how many ppl fail tet everyday and try to imagine how it would end without that downgrade drawback...

I'm not arguing for or against, so far. I just want to know, roughly, what the chances are so I can plan better.

However, if I were arguing against it, I would say that the argument that it has to be there or everyone would shoot up too fast is a straw man. If the downgrade-on-fail were to be removed, of course other adjustments would be made instead -- such as lowering the chances of success to get to 18, 19, and 20 being dramatically lower, so that the total average effort/expense needed to get to each were the same.

If I were arguing for it, well, I think I'd want to seek counseling, too. But if I did, it would be that otherwise we'd have to lower the chances dramatically to keep the game's progression balanced.

 

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Black Spirit says it clearly, don't remember in which part of the menu, i think when trying to ugprade a duo item, he says "If the enhancement fails, it will degrade" or something very similar, but he clearly states the will

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Black Spirit says it clearly, don't remember in which part of the menu, i think when trying to ugprade a duo item, he says "If the enhancement fails, it will degrade" or something very similar, but he clearly states the will

I just verified that in game. There's a floating hint when I mouse-over the "Enhancement" button in the enhancement tool panel when a duo item is loaded in it. It reads "The selected item will get degraded if the enhancement fails, so be careful!".

 

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show me that its not 100 % never heard thid what ur saying.

Just search forum there are reports of ppl  loosing failstacks after getting success on tri enchant attempt when their item didnt went to tri and stay on duo... Others played on KR confirmed it... it was few months ago, but you can try to google it...

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Just search forum there are reports of ppl  loosing failstacks after getting success on tri enchant attempt when their item didnt went to tri and stay on duo... Others played on KR confirmed it... it was few months ago, but you can try to google it...

Since you brought this up, I would say the burden of proof is on you; if it's easy to google, go ahead and post us a link or two.

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Just search forum there are reports of ppl  loosing failstacks after getting success on tri enchant attempt when their item didnt went to tri and stay on duo... Others played on KR confirmed it... it was few months ago, but you can try to google it...

maybe its a bug. Who knows.

Since you brought this up, I would say the burden of proof is on you; if it's easy to google, go ahead and post us a link or two.

exactly

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RNG rewards persistence I had to duo my off hand a total of 10 times and 3 tris attempts before it finally went tri. With 40 fail stacks. It's a low chance to succeed. Just make sure you are persistent and you have the optimum fail stacks before you attempt. Gesronf isn't supposed to be easy, it's what makes this game interesting. 

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Jesus is it really hard to do a little bit of searching? Pro hint: Search the Cm/ Gm Replies also.

Right after this system went live a few people posted on this section and the bug section that they had a message that enchant succeeded, they lost their FS, but item stayed at current level.

After a bit a Cm/ Gm verified that indeed there is a very small chance this might happen.  Really sorry I can't remember which Cm/ Gm posted it and, yes, I'm to lazy to find the link!

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Jesus is it really hard to do a little bit of searching? Pro hint: Search the Cm/ Gm Replies also.

Right after this system went live a few people posted on this section and the bug section that they had a message that enchant succeeded, they lost their FS, but item stayed at current level.

After a bit a Cm/ Gm verified that indeed there is a very small chance this might happen.  Really sorry I can't remember which Cm/ Gm posted it and, yes, I'm to lazy to find the link!

Actually I think what happened as this is described is what just happened to me.

I got high fail stacks, went for tri, failed.  Not to worry thats just four more fs.  hit it again and woohoo succeed.  Wait a minute FS gone, Item still duo WTF?  Guildies explained the dowgrade to me, but couldnt answer the 100%  Trying to find facts on that now.

So the very small chance relates to you going back to duo on second click not realizing IMO.

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