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Gear and player gaps. Too much for average player?

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There is so much available to do in this game.

I just don't understand players who don't play games to have fun.

 

Give the grind a break guys it seriously isn't going to matter in the long run.

Like what? I seriously can't find any reason log in nowadays. PvP is only thing that this game have to offer and it's ruined by gear cap.

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getting 400+ gearscore is not even hard your just spoiled by casual games like gw2 

all you have to do is grind and work on your gear over time it dont take 8 hours a day

most of the people whining are over exaggerating the whole situation almost nobody is as bad and lazy as you

nobody gonna hand you gear just quit your trash.

gear is fine in this game some people just to lazy to even try cuz they used to games where its handed to em its a korean hardcore mmo

all of them have the same style of gearing system no surprise its a GIT GUD problem

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If you into pvp and regular player this game is not for you.

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Too radical of a change this late in the games dev cycle.

I agree.

They had the chance for a fresh start when bringing the game to NA/EU, but just repeated the same mistakes. It would require a major overhaul for them to change their course now, but as the upcoming content shows, they're determined to keep plowing forward ignoring issues. XL Games did the same thing with ArcheAge and I wish I'd learned my lesson that first time around.

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The game's design is all about cash shop so all these suggestions are irrelevant and never will be implemented.

Think  about cash shop before making any suggestion to improve game play etc. Will Kakao benefit from this change? If the answer is NO,then don't even waste your time making a post.

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Gear disparity combined with rng, is definitely what made the most people give up and quit BDO. It's also what's preventing or pushing away new players from the game.

Why I find it kinda silly when people rage about lack of PvP, "p2w" or even delayed awakening, as the major thing making the game bleed players. It's not even close to amount of guys that just gave up because of gear grind, while constantly screwed over by rng. You can only take so much disappointment and stress, before a game stops being fun.

If they want this game to be a major one on the Western market it really needs a more forgiving rng. Also needs to be easier to catch up and with less power difference between average geared and top geared players.

I have 450 AP/DP including boss armor, so it's not like I would benefit from it personally, I just want the game to be successful and alive. I dont want BDO to end up like so many other Asian games almost forgotten, that failed miserably on the Western market, because unable to adapt.

 

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First of all I am not going to minimize the crazy amount of work and effort people have put into their gear and character because I know it has been monumental.  You all deserve what you have.

My question:  Is the gear/player gap too large in the game to keep the average player interested or feel like they have a chance and will they want to continue to pvp or even attempt to pvp?

My answer is not really.  There are players that can wipe 5, 10 maybe more what I would consider well geared players.  While this might be fun for the well geared guy, is this good for everyone else?  Once again no.  As it is nearly impossible to ever compete with that guy.  The guys that can play all day and night will never ever be caught.  Catching up to well geared players is tough enough if you have limited playing time.

There is too much disparity in gear now.  The game was settling out pretty well when we all were stuck at  +15.  Not anymore.  It is sad when you are a 400 ap/dp guy fairly balanced and you get one or two shot, you watch damage to opposing players that seem to do nothing.  To a more laid back person this pretty discouraging. 

Is this why so many people have left this game?  Obviously class balance is a terrible joke.  The Awakenings will probably make things worse not better.  Do people that are super geared really get off stomping far lesser geared/skilled people?

While lesser geared folks can man siege equipment and be helpful is that enough to keep them interested in the long haul?  Probably not. 

I wonder what the demographics or metrics are for the player base of BDO NA/EU.  How much time does the average player actually actively play the game?  Can the game survive long term if it appears to cater to those with far more time which gives them a significant advantage, which they earned, but puts everyone else is a very large competitive disadvantage.

If this is a problem, how can it be solved, or can it be solved or is this a fatal flaw in the game.

This game churns through players like nothing before it and this was happening long before the P2W argument or the Awakening conspiracy.  Can any of the old players be lured back.  So many big and small guilds continue to fold, merge or have lousy showings for Castle wars and node wars.  What is causing the bleeding and how can it be stopped.  I wonder which chases more people the gear issue or the RNG issue or something else.

Can we possible have some civil discussions on issues like this.  Do you agree with me?  Do you have other opinions why?  Any good ideas for fixes?  We probably will not all agree with each other but maybe for once :) we can try to look at issues or topics from a different angle. 

 

 

The goal (softcap) is BiS TRI weapons/gear & DUO acc, lvl 60.  You ll be viable vs anyone. This shoud have been your goal from start. +15 was never the end goal in bdo. All that is, has been and will be was known from day 1. If u didn't, that's on you and/or your guild for not knowing.

The p2w issue for me is that it might come way to early now the mechanic is in place. Took me by surprise. The biggest problem it has brought me now at this moment is the really bad communication and how they silently pushed it. As long the silver cap in AH is not raised, its all still ok. Not knowing what the mapping is bout the prices is my real issue with Kakao. What in two months? Fact they remain silent doesn't predict good news bout that imho.

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the "average player" ? 

 

i play 16h every single day and i still have tri liverto while guildmates who play few hrs a day have tet kzarka because rng

 

this game is a -----ing joke and a mockery with human life,

last night i used bout 25-30 concentrated wep blackstones to get to tri only three times and then failed tet with more stacks than 3 of my guildmates got their tet with (in 1 try because logic).

It took me 20 concentrated stones to get it tri in the last session and that many to get my offhand while there are people who get tri/tet in a single -----ing try

 

we should blame kakao for publishing this crap without any supervision or consideration or "westernization" on their side. It's their fault for this because they are inexperienced and don't know their own game. They don't know about the rigged RNG and they don't know how broken this game is, also they dont know how incredibly imbalanced it is because they simply have never had a single guy playing it. 

 

currently i've sunk billions of silver into upgrading my gear and im at a standstill with almost no improvement whatso-----ing ever for the past 2 months while every casino royale 2nd scrub is rng and gear carried as -----, and it will get worse 

 

 

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the "average player" ? 

 

i play 16h every single day and i still have tri liverto while guildmates who play few hrs a day have tet kzarka because rng

 

this game is a -----ing joke and a mockery with human life,

last night i used bout 25-30 concentrated wep blackstones to get to tri only three times and then failed tet with more stacks than 3 of my guildmates got their tet with (in 1 try because logic)

 

we should blame kakao for publishing this crap without any supervision or consideration or "westernization" on their side. It's their fault for this because they are inexperienced and don't know their own game. They don't know about the rigged RNG and they don't know how broken this game is, also they dont know how incredibly imbalanced it is because they simply have never had a single guy playing it. 

 

currently i've sunk billions of silver into upgrading my gear and im at a standstill with almost no improvement whatso-----ing ever for the past 2 months while every casino royale 2nd scrub is rng and gear carried as -----, and it will get worse 

 

 

You have TRI boss gear, have you not? Do they? How can u claim ppl fighting u are carried by gear... Kzarka isnt that much better... . Tet is +8 ap. What's ur accessories at? Prolly u make up for it there bro.

Edit: u should know passed TRI, the money and mats sink starts.

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In evry mmo is a gap betwen  hardcore players ,and casual players.....i dont feel is a huge gap , u can easy gear yourself if u whant....at the begining evryone was +15 and was ok....in a few months 90%  active players will have +18...exept crazy ones who play in their world will have +19 +20.....

Yes it takes a little more to gear up in this mmo but not so big difference from others mmo.....i think in evry mmo i played ,to have end game gear u needed at least 2 months....

So if u are a casual player dont expect to compete with hardcore ones.....i am a casual and i dont feel that i need to have the same gear as somebody who play 8hrs a day.Regardles negativity in this forum about the game, i enjoy evry minute i play this game and i will play it for a long time for now one

 

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If you cant do the time dont do the crime.

Stop whining and start grinding QQ

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You have TRI boss gear, have you not? Do they? How can u claim ppl fighting u are carried by gear... Kzarka isnt that much better... . Tet is +8 ap. What's ur accessories at? Prolly u make up for it there bro.

tet gives you accuracy and evasion

my guildmate got +40/50% dmg against me just by getting tet kzarka over his tri liverto 

 

i have tri boss gear and full tet grunil is better if you have coral earrings/tree belt to make up for the lack of accuracy from bheg. As for boss armors/kzarka? I bought every single one of them from the market  (and they weren't even on a bid, the tree armor for example was literally on the market for 24 hours because it was already at tri). How does that have anything to do with "rng carried"?  

 

the game is just shit

my 57 lvl guildmate has better accessories and weapon than me, his bank costed more than 5 times of my bank and he doesn't grind at all while i' probably have the highest skill points on jordine just from grinding money. I know for an absolute fact that 2 weeks ago before i was crushed by rng over and over and over that i had farmed the most money out of everyone yet my gear is utter shit. I say last 2 weeks cus since then ive not bothered that much and will probably soon quit

 

it'\s just too -----ing unfair how one person has to grind 150 hours to catch up to another one who just got lucky, this game doesn't have p2w and it doesn't have skill or anything - it just has rng

 

you can literally kill a -----ing sheep and get a backpack and a shard and be richer than the guy next to you and all because of RNG, nothing else. 

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Honestly i dont see much difference between BDO and WoW in this case... In WoW if you went into BG in blue crafted PvP gear and met someone in full T8+ PvP you got 2 shot as well (or what were the tiers.. in WotLK it was up to 10 iirc... then other 4 with cata?)... The only thing is, in WoW you could caught up with enough time to max tier, while in BDO RNG can ----- you over so much, you wont be ever able to get max gear...

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the main problem isn't that gear is too strong, the main problem is that obtaining gear is insane RNG  and has nothing to do with player effort or skill

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You guys should complain a bit more so they eventually come back with Valk's Cry because "some players weren't able to enjoy the content". And end up making it worst while you will think this is a victory over these infamous nolife welfare basement dwellers.

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After losing 2 months of "work" to RNG just to be at the start again I stopped caring. There are maybe people who think banging your head repeatedly against the brick wall until one of them breaks is fun or even commendable. I dont. There are other ways to play and have fun for me, not just constant grind and struggle to get gear.

I can only say the game that cant attract and retain new players is not going to last very long. Take it as you will.

in fact when new players come and see how the rng can be bad they lose interest in the game...bdo is a pvp game (i honestly see only grind over grind) as many say ,but i pvp 5% of the time sometime for a fuking place where some mobs magically resurrect after some second ....just for tell u a story i'm one of the most not get a tri weapon after 130+ fail stack so what i have play for ?to be trolled by a korea game...the p2w aspect was just an excuse to leave this game i already lost any interest from days..120 days of no life for this game ...hope this is the last mmorpg i play , i have learned some lessons....this game is for nolife puppets .

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If you into pvp and regular player this game is not for you.

I would argue that if you're into PvP at all this game is not for you, no matter if you're a casual, regular, or hardcore player.

The PvP is unbalanced making it a bad choice for competitive PvP. There are no warring factions, so if you don't declare a guild war you'll be punished for PvPing. But you aren't going to be PvP'ing very much anyway. You'll be spending the vast majority of your time doing PvE so that when you actually do participate in the odd burst of PvP you won't be hopelessly outgeared.

In short, if you're looking for PvP this really isn't the game for you. There are better titles if that's what you want out of the game.

What makes BDO stand out is it's more sandbox-y approach where your character(s) actually have a place in the game world. It's not a generic themepark MMO where you only ever feel like a tourist. Your characters feel like a part of the world, and there are tons of ways for them to interact with that world. It's just a shame that they haven't built upon that foundation to expand that standout content, instead pursuing more grind+RNG "content".

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There are better titles if that's what you want out of the game.

name me a single mmorpg with better pvp right now?

 

im not disagreeing with you but im curious what would someone consider a game with good pvp

 

if bdo didn't have desync and ludicrous rng, the pvp would be good as its a korean game  and by default they're usually good and every class can be good if mastered 

 

as for new players being discouraged by RNG, they should be encouraged by RNG because the game is in such a trainwreck state that in 2 months if they have good luck they can be ahead of people that have been playing for half a year

 

the game's "natural catchup mechanics" + good RNG can make a new player have advantage over old players like its nothing 

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Few points i'd lile to state in this topic:

1) If you are a casual don't try to compete with hardcores, as simple as that, i'm a casual myself and i know i'll be able to fight people that are also casual, i don't get the logic some people use, god.

2) Why the hell do you come to an MMORPG, where progression is a thing (Skills and gear progression) and want ungeared PvP balance? I'm sorry but if i try to ugprade my gear is to be stronger and thus defeat my opponents more easily...

3)If you want full skill pvp withotu gear dependancy, just go and play a moba, or a shooter, or something like that, for god's sake.. If i want equal full skill PvP i just go back to LoL...

Do note i'm not refering to the OP, when i say you, but in a general way.

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My highest character is a 55 kuno and her gear stats are 117/146. I'm an "altoholic" as some people call it and "casual" as well (though my 410~ energy isn't exactly common from what I've seen) and have no interest in pvp due to it being so horribly imbalanced cause of gear levels and the fact that my comp can't handle multiple players fighting each other on screen at once without me dropping to 10 or less fps or reducing my graphics to the lowest possible, when the appearance of this game is one of the things that keeps me playing.

However...

I can say if your response to people struggling with gear is "git good you're trash" you need to get your head out of your ass. There is NOTHING about "getting good" when it comes to gear in this game. Its all random chance, and while in theory "if you keep playing you'll get it eventually" and the like that's not even a guarantee. I can't speak for others nor will I try to, but I myself will never use failstacks to increase my chances at gear, especially for accessories. It's a dumb system that even after dumping millions into can STILL result in failure and loss of even MORE millions. It's not fun and not worth it in my opinion and is just to lure people into buying valk's cry or something. Even if said item gets added into the game, unless they make it purchasable from npcs for silver I STILL wouldn't use it myself, as you can STILL fail and still lose millions of ingame silver - it's still an invisible % chance that will never be in your favor unless you dump a ton of money into it for ONE item.

Also I agree with scau, if you're a serious pvp player and you are heavily invested into this game you are either delusional or secretly love being able to stomp over everyone else, and equal combat isn't appealing to you. There is way too much pve required, too much effort and time and luck required for a lot of people to be invested in pvp, and once awakenings are out (regardless of how many are out) people will become even MORE irrelevant if they don't have their awakening weapons in pvp.

If ANYTHING kills this game it will be its gear system/reliance. At how it is now all it does is drive a ton of players away, simply due to how unfriendly it is and because it just makes a ton of stress and frustration because of it being a necessity that every player has to face unless you are 100% lifeskills. There is no possible reason to defend such a system in my opinion, regardless of how games in the past did it (and you should look at games in the present and see how many of them are STILL that unforgiving). A system this major should NEVER push players away. Ever. "Weeding out the casuals" Is a stupid concept as there will ALWAYS be more casuals than hardcore players and more players period = more alive and active game and more paying customers.

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I quit 4 months ago because of gear, It was pain in the butt and as a breeder (back then) money came extremely slow.

I been playing for about 2 weeks now, and I am at PRI full grunil armor, duo Main PRI offhand, 2 quest rings (7ap each), 2 witches earring, duo bares neck, and treebelt.  Earrings and treebelt farmed myself.  Its super easy to catch up right now, I don't really understand why.  I had terrible gear before +6 armor etc but just keep grinding or whatever it is to make money then buy already enchanted gear (preferably ultimate +15) at cheap 11-16m and then u dig desert for shards and there u go free Pri, duo or tri if ur lucky.

See this is what you don't get...(and don't take this poorly)... You're not "caught up" whatsoever with what you just mentioned. If you lined up 10 of you, literally, someone with all TRI gear could solo all 10. That's how big the power-gap is between tiers after +15.

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1) If you are a casual don't try to compete with hardcores, 

problem is that the game decides if you're casual or hardcore 

 

because RNG 

 

 

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It's really not as bad as people think. I am at 130/236 and its under geared but its no big deal. I stand up to people with 180 AP all day long. Full Pri/DUO gear on me.

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Blame Obama for the well geared players. He's giving away free money so you don't have to work.

Obama gives out money to the EU as well :o SIGN ME UP!

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name me a single mmorpg with better pvp right now?

im not disagreeing with you but im curious what would someone consider a game with good pvp

If I was after PvP I'd honestly look to most other MMO's before I'd looking to BDO. I could name one, two, five or ten MMO's I'd rather PvP in, but I don't want to promote other MMO's on this board, and I don't want to get into the inevitable debates that come about whenever you name any other MMO.

The combat system in BDO is one of the best out there, but between desync, level gaps, gear gap, class imbalances, and soon balancing thrown off even more due to awakenings, it's not a good choice for competitive PvP. No MMO has perfect PvP, but there are many out there where the PvP is in better shape. I've never viewed BDO as a PvP game because of this, focusing instead on the lifeskill and lore side of the game.

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