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Enchantment System is not worth it.

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I sort of get the vibe that your level of investment in the game rivals that of a real life activity. Except this is a game, meant for fun, not as a life fulfilling venture. Keep it in perspective that this game is a virtual endeavor with equally virtual rewards. I do understand the level of frustration you must feel with failstacks and such, but keep it in perspective.. These are not real things your gaining or losing. It sounds like you've decided what you do have fun with in this game and are readjusting your playtime, so that's good, but remember it should be a fun experience in the end.

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Yeah, that is exactly what I am referring to. I dont even believe its completely RNG anymore, I am starting to believe it is actually rigged to make you spend more.

It could be... But whats going to change with us -----ing and moaning about it? Absolutely nothing. I just stopped spending a dime on the game. They got my cash when it came out, and that's that. The only way to not kick your self in the ass is to just say no. Like honestly, the horse coupons don't feel good when you buy them. It honestly felt like I was throwing money away with every re-roll. So I honestly told myself enough is enough and stopped spending. If you're buying something online and it doesn't feel good then why continue to spend? You buy things you WANT to buy, not because you HAVE to buy them. The cash shop is for people who WANT to buy things. I DID want to buy things but not anymore, and I'll tell you something; I am much happier without it. Can I afford it? Absolutely. If I buy something in the cash shop will it make me feel like it was worth it? Nope. All this pay 2 Win crap just needs to go away. The people spending 100 bucks a week to stay relevant or ahead in the game do so because they want to. If  they don't want to then Ia m sorry, you're really handicapped..... Disposable income is what people want to call it now eh? You guys are more than welcome to continue buying costumes and Value packs for me. I really appreciate it greatly. tl;dr

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lol.  rng is random!  gotta suck it up cupcakes.  life isn't fair.  is it fair that I was born this way???!!!!!

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yea thats your average joe forum user´s attention span. in real life and game. gets funny for him in rl once he has to leave kindergarden.

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I just stopped spending a dime on the game.

I never spent anything until 2 days ago when I was talking to my husband and told him how annoying the basic underwear looks on my valky compared to cash shop stuff, so he said "if it annoys you stop being silly and buy what makes you happy" and bought me some pearls. So I got lingerie for my pixel dolls and I am happy about that. I just didnt have to gamble the rest with the skills, but having a T7 lacking just one skill to be almost perfect was too tempting. Of course I lost, wasnt much and its no biggie but still feels like being shitted on and I have right to say that kind of RNG with real money is borderline scam. In the end I am still enjoying the game but I will spend no more money because I think the company doesnt deserve it. Everything they did in past months just made me lose any respect I had for them. 

yea thats your average joe forum user´s attention span. in real life and game. gets funny for him in rl once he has to leave kindergarden.

Haha, indeed.

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I don't know if it's funny or just sad how many people on the forums are completely ignorant of how the enhancing system works. How about instead of crying you learn how to properly failstack?

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I don't know if it's funny or just sad how many people on the forums are completely ignorant of how the enhancing system works. How about instead of crying you learn how to properly failstack?

Don't know if its funny or sad to have someone prentending to be better than anyone else at something 200% rigged and random...

Enlighten us.

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Don't know if its funny or sad to have someone prentending to be better than anyone else at something 200% rigged and random...

Enlighten us.

It's not rigged and while there is an element of randomness to it, there is a very defined system to how it works. Why don't you try doing a little bit of -----ing research instead of defaulting to throwing a fit like a child? A google search would be enough for any person with more than half a functioning brain to sort out how to properly failstack, and yet you can't even manage that. 

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Don't know if its funny or sad to have someone prentending to be better than anyone else at something 200% rigged and random...

Enlighten us.

Don't know where this 200% comes from but he does have a point. Just because you've built fail stacks doesn't mean you're going to get your upgrade... Anyone else remember the post from last night with the person who had 63 fail stacks trying to get to DUO? RNG happens. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Fail stacks increase your odds, but in the end it's still RNG. Just because you know how the system works doesn't mean the system is going to work for you. You're still rolling the dice..
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/110295-help-i-dont-know-what-to-do-now-bad-rng/

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again the whole failstack system is just a placebo because the + numbers just make you feel more confortable so you will keep trying higher the number you will think gee I got a huge chance lets spend a few mills to test it opps failed.

 

fun fact if you had +999 failstacks that still dosent guaruentee you a pen cause its rng.

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It is a typical Korean "system", nothing more, nothing less. What is "unique" in this ridiculous design is the fact that it was pretty obviously setup around a "P2W" plan, this was and is the original situation in Korea. OK, we can argue for years if it is actually "P2W", or a little bit, or a little more, or whatever you like.

The fact IS, that in the cash shop in Korea, there a few lil thingies that could give just a lil push towards reaching the "top". Quite simply we don't have these here, though we do have the exact same system (apparently). The underlying "numbers" probably have not been adjusted at all. This doesn't mean the system doesn't suck in its entirety, just perhaps some lousy explanation why it can be such a real pain in the butt over here.

No point either getting into the argument what should be and what should not be, but the fact IS, that "our version" was supposed to be rather / fairly different in certain aspects, for a variety of reasons. First among them, because the freaking game is NOT F2P over here (not yet anyway) and should not follow the exact same "business plan". But yeah... sure.

The most hilarious fact though is... how certain chaps will still gladly defend the "system" because, ya know... so many reasons! It gives... you name it... "progression", "longevity", "immersion" (? lol?), "it isn't too bad", and so on and on. Can you ever argue with "hardcore" masochists? No you can't, as you can't argue with habitual and desperate gamblers, that kind that will gladly destroy their own lives and others' too, for the shake of the "thrill of one more gamble for the win".

Also... like really... "failstacks", dafuk is THAT now? Hoping to fail, desiring to fail, devising a plan to fail, the more the merrier, so ... what? Ah, so you can have enough stacked fails to get a little bit more % chance in the gambling chase, and yups! Fail even some more in a most epic fashion, blowing it all in one click, after working your sorry arse for days, weeks, months (?). How did I call it all? Masochism, I think.

"Failstacks", is everyone truly and really so OUT of their minds? There have been some cool people that even used their strong maths to give an idea WHAT "failstacks" mean and what kind of % you will get. Nowhere near a "secure" upgrade. It is just upping the odds to a degree, yeah sure, and they are still horribly low for the huge effort involved.

Conclusion: I will also throw my personal experience here and opinion. I virtually stopped ANY attempts on "upgrading" anything a long time ago, during the first days of my BDO experience. I quickly realised there is no hope there, and anyone who wants to keep their sanity would keep clear. The only thing I do and will do, personally, is buying stuff, whatever I can find. Surely, I will never be "up there" with your TRI / TET / PEN boss gear, and I quite honestly don't give a flying and half a rat's arse.

The game has still a lot to offer, has depth and variety, and can  still be a great experience. Once, you strip it from the horrible, sadistic and insidious elements they cleverly incorporated to fool people, drive them to despair, and ultimately, like it or not, this leads to your pocket, one way or another, just think about it. If you really become obsessed to get to "the top", this will mean endless hours and effort, money spent, or actually a combination of both. And for what? To WIN? "Win" what? No one ever actually explained what is out there to "WIN", something with actual value and meaning.

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It's not rigged and while there is an element of randomness to it, there is a very defined system to how it works.

That "defined system" is - you roll a dice. If you are lucky you pass, if not you fail. Failstacks just give a bigger chance of passing (supposedly) but in no way they guarantee anything. Every time you roll you have exactly the same chance to win or fail. If you are unlucky you can fail every damn time. Even if you got 150 failstacks that will not raise your chance one iota over set %. There is no "element of randomness" to it, even with 50% chance to pass it is still totally random, you can hit that other, failing half, again and again and again. People who get lucky, and there is suspiciously high amount of luck in this game for some, see it all as "easy" and dont understand how others cant progress aka call them lazy and not willing to "work hard". Suspiciously high amount of luck for some made some others without luck believe the whole system is rigged. And thats it, nothing smart nor mysterious nor hard to understand about it. No need to study "the system" because there really isnt any, just stupid RNG.

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It's not rigged and while there is an element of randomness to it, there is a very defined system to how it works. Why don't you try doing a little bit of -----ing research instead of defaulting to throwing a fit like a child? A google search would be enough for any person with more than half a functioning brain to sort out how to properly failstack, and yet you can't even manage that. 

You are such a cool guy !

Do you speak like that to poeples in front of you to ?.

Your internet-face is ridiculous...

And I knew you'd have this kind of answer.

So you believe in random BS' found on internet ?... sorry I don't... I like facts and math :)

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The game has still a lot to offer, has depth and variety, and can  still be a great experience. Once, you strip it from the horrible, sadistic and insidious elements they cleverly incorporated to fool people, drive them to despair, and ultimately, like it or not, this leads to your pocket, one way or another, just think about it. If you really become obsessed to get to "the top", this will mean endless hours and effort, money spent, or actually a combination of both. And for what? To WIN? "Win" what? No one ever actually explained what is out there to "WIN", something with actual value and meaning.

This. And as far as "winning" goes, I suppose the only way to win relevancy and some self respect for certain people is to be "relevant" in a video game, and they will rather invest their life into being some top dog or some such thing in a video game than make an effort and learn how to do that in life. Because, of course, it is way easier. Instead of making an actual effort and developing personality you just have to gamble long enough to get lucky.

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yea thats your average joe forum user´s attention span. in real life and game. gets funny for him in rl once he has to leave kindergarden.

Yeh lol. We can only teach, they need to walk by themself.

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TL;DR exists for a reason...  Why would anyone spend any time reading your opinion however good or bad it may be, if you have like a big'ol text wall without any sort of summary.  Remember its your opinion, what are you the space pope?!?  Obviously didn't read, specifically because I saw your last sentence... so there!

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That "defined system" is - you roll a dice. If you are lucky you pass, if not you fail. Failstacks just give a bigger chance of passing (supposedly) but in no way they guarantee anything. Every time you roll you have exactly the same chance to win or fail. If you are unlucky you can fail every damn time. Even if you got 150 failstacks that will not raise your chance one iota over set %. There is no "element of randomness" to it, even with 50% chance to pass it is still totally random, you can hit that other, failing half, again and again and again. People who get lucky, and there is suspiciously high amount of luck in this game for some, see it all as "easy" and dont understand how others cant progress aka call them lazy and not willing to "work hard". Suspiciously high amount of luck for some made some others without luck believe the whole system is rigged. And thats it, nothing smart nor mysterious nor hard to understand about it. No need to study "the system" because there really isnt any, just stupid RNG.

You are such a cool guy !

Do you speak like that to poeples in front of you to ?.

Your internet-face is ridiculous...

And I knew you'd have this kind of answer.

So you believe in random BS' found on internet ?... sorry I don't... I like facts and math :)

Oh boy, these two here are a lost cause.

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I don't think people realize this game was never designed with the intent for anyone to ever get to bis gear. this is not wow. it is meant to be a game where you have infinite progression and you can log in and always improve yourself in some way. not oh hey i got bis gear in a week now what. this game has a soft cap in gear that is really not all that hard to get to and make u more than competitive for the foreseeable future. I don't see the problem. bunch of angry virgins who want to log in and withing a week completely dominate the entire server.

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Oh boy, these two here are a lost cause.

Keep dreaming. I will be here waiting for the moment when RNG hammer wakes you up. It probably wont be pretty to watch though.

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I don't think people realize this game was never designed with the intent for anyone to ever get to bis gear. this is not wow. it is meant to be a game where you have infinite progression and you can log in and always improve yourself in some way. not oh hey i got bis gear in a week now what. this game has a soft cap in gear that is really not all that hard to get to and make u more than competitive for the foreseeable future. I don't see the problem. bunch of angry virgins who want to log in and withing a week completely dominate the entire server.

or dedicated player with still not a single boss piece when some random bob got 3 or 4.

Everything isn't black or white.

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How about instead of crying you learn how to properly failstack?

How do you learn a thing what will end random? How you learn to win in a lottery!? Jerk. 

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How do you learn a thing what will end random? How you learn to win in a lottery!? Jerk. 

By being lucky of course, geeez.

This forum. I swear I never saw such amount of simply stupid people on a gaming forum (not addressed to you btw).

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I actually just remembered that a guy in Futilez got his gear to Pen by only rolling with 15 failstacks for each upgrade.

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Good read and yep, same feelings here but without quite the same amount of experience. I noped out of the casino pretty early on and only do upgrades when I can force it or happen to find and afford something on the marketplace. RNG for getting the materials to force upgrades is enough RNG for me. :) That said, I also understand I'll never be all that competitive in PvP, but I'm fine with that. When I want PvP, I go play a game balanced around that; and that's hardly ever a game in the MMORPG genre.

For those that love the system, or find it "this is fine", cool beans for you. =) It means I can buy your cast offs in the marketplace. Personally I don't want to have to manage failstacks and sacrificial equipment across alts etc. just to watch it all blow up in my face a million times before finally succeeding, if ever.

Understanding the system doesn't mean liking it and hating a system doesn't mean not understanding it.

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This. So very, very, much this!

They promised us a game with no "pay to win", and then they gave us a P2W game with the "pay" taken out.

I think you mean with the "win" taken out ;)

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