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Pearl Shop Discussion Megathread

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Heres my rating based on **True** P2W being direct $$$ -> Equipment power conversion with no cap:

 

Launch 10% P2W - Horse skills, pets, costume buffs, weight and space

Costume sales 30% P2W 

Artisans Memory bumps it up to 55%. 

Why only this much?

Artisans are a powerful resource but their value is indirect and does not allow you to bypass our lord and savior Rngesus

There may be no cap on purchasing - but your ability to utilize them is limited by availability of repair items. You will have to farm books, scrolls, bosses or whatever at some point. 

It is a linear buff to playtime efficiency, for a fraction of ingame activities, and is far below the unlimited money fountain of true P2W 

How many fragments/weapons can you really obtain in a week? These markets are seriously demand heavy.

And what are the savings or profits from tripling their effectiveness? This is your objective P2W gain. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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True is BDO cash shop system and AH is probably the most controllable economy i ever saw,

This, I agree on.

 

#p2westealyourmoneyandcreditcardthinggoingon.

 

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Do we really need another thread about that...

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Ohh I get it I pay money and I become stronger than those who didn't more conveniently.

It is very convenient to be stronger than my counterpart who played the same amount but didn't pay.  It is convenient that I can beat that person so it is pay for that convenience....

Seriously tho at this point who cares what definition every individual person comes up with to justify their objective.

Just present what is available in the cash shop, what it does, what it costs, and what you have to do if you choose to not use the cash shop to potential customers before they buy the game.

Some will be okay with it but a very large population of people will not be okay with it.  I want to save that population who will not be okay with it in the end the trouble and money.

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So true. 

all the new generation of kids playing MMorpgs korean. 
i bet most coming from league of legends or crap like that. 
This explains the flame about everything. 
 

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You calculations are meaningless..  You are neglecting artisan's memory, which is absurd at this point.

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tl;dr

Artisan memory says it all, get rekt...

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Necessities can be quite convenient. :ph34r: 

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Necessities can be quite convenient. :ph34r: 

It was from day 1.... Pets and camo (for gathering lol) day 1 looking back I am wondering why people are surprised or angry. 

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It was from day 1.... Pets and camo (for gathering lol) day 1 looking back I am wondering why people are surprised or angry. 

Hey now, don't go about ruining people's Immersion. ¬¬ 

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You did not read OP definition of wht P2W actually used to mean right?

Strange. I've been playing games since Philips Videopac G7000 (MagnaVox Odyssey²) and ZX Spectrum and I've never heard of an official definition for P2W.

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So far i  calculate you need to spend over € 5000,- in order to sell 172 Outfits wich will provide you with 2.064.000.000 Silver, this should be enhough to buy in the market, Tri Liverto, Tri Ultimate Secundairy, Tri Grunil Helmet, Tri Grunil Armor, Tri Grunil Gloves, Tri Grunil Shoes and after asking in server chat a Tier 7 lv 30 Horse wich is ok to be PvP contested but you still need accesoires to give you addiotional stats and AP / DP

after that you aslo need to lv youself up to 45

So yes it is P2W, but for such amount of money you can buy a new beast game pc or a Car or Rent a house

 

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Strange. I've been playing games since Philips Videopac G7000 (MagnaVox Odyssey²) and ZX Spectrum and I've never heard of an official definition for P2W.

oh im sorry didnt know "used to mean"meant an official  webster dictionary. What i mean his definition is more than likely agreed apon alot of us older gamers as what paying to win actually means. Means i give someone money and i am recieving sth you as an unpaying player will not recieve and puts you at a disadvantage. A real disadvantage. 

Opinions are great things. But just because you have the opinion that boiling water doesnt hurt doesnt make you any less an idiot. You want p2w p2w would me being able to not only buy a boss weapon not available in game one that is more powerful than in game golds and easily enchantable. A fork in the road leading to the same destination is not p2w. #wtfhappenedtoamericans

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Snippity.

Folks ignore anyone who try to say that BDO isn't P2W.

Guild wars 2 almost got called a P2W game by a few member of the community because it provide unlimited tools, and certain buff. 

Skyforge is nearly non-existent on P2W. With sole exception of founder's pack, and jumpstart packs. 

 

Do we really need another thread about that...

Maybe if you read that this thread is anti-P2W. The author seem to suggest that people are complaining about BDO, so he complains about players who complain about BDO while you complan about this thread that complains about the P2W.

 

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and how many seasons did you play? Could you solo everything without taking a hit? Season 1 / 2? Not gonna bother asking about season 3 sofar only 2 bosses I can do without a hit.. Also as the harder classes. Lynn/Arisha. Not hurk or Vella

pvp and pve was more fun game ded now...

I played to season 3.

I solo'd most things without taking a hit, almost all without death (screw lako/kraken solo).

I mained xgun kai, havent played the rework, don't plan to either.

Vindi ez see kappa.

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Guild wars 2 almost got called a P2W game by a few member of the community because it provide unlimited tools, and certain buff. 

 

It doesn't matter what game it is - any game with a cashshop will always have these same people complaining how someone with cash options gets more advantages than they do. This is also how life works. Someone else will always have an advantage, be it money, time or whatever. I had forgotten about that fiasco at GW2 and those tools until now and it was just as ridiculous as how people go on about it here. 

 

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The old static definition of P2W no longer works. Definition of p2w changes from game to game and is dependent upon the relationship between what is sold in the cash shop and how such effects the game's design. Games like GW2 get away with unlimited tools, and currency exchange while other get call p2w for such. The difference comes down to game design.

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I played to season 3.

I solo'd most things without taking a hit, almost all without death (screw lako/kraken solo).

I mained xgun kai, havent played the rework, don't plan to either.

Vindi ez see kappa.

Kai.... Lol.

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There is skill in video games. Just not in this one.

so how do u explain me twohotting ppl before they can react?

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Strange. I've been playing games since Philips Videopac G7000 (MagnaVox Odyssey²) and ZX Spectrum and I've never heard of an official definition for P2W.

Same here, same Odyssey system even. :) And yeah, I don't even have my own static P2W definition. It's just like porn, you know it when you see it and everyone's definition is going to be a bit different.

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You do know how much silvers Im saveing useing cashshop artisans memory on my boss gears don't you?

 

BDO is now 100% P2W

seeing posts like this I'm getting quite convinced that out of the most vocal parts of the forum not even one person have ever had a chance to play truelly p2w game.....

 

you want p2w?

then go to a cash shop to buy a character-bound-on-acquire equivalent of boss max enhanced set

that would be 2w by the very definition

[or untradeable potion that boost all your stats or powerfull weapon]

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This true is THIS GAME IS NOT P2W, A game to be P2W needs items that give advantage over players who don't use Cash and unlimited cash shop item sales:

Not that I think BDO is P2W... but a few things here...

1.) Using the cash shop unarguably gives you  advantage over players who don't.

2.) Everyone has their own opinion on what is or isn't p2w, so even trying to argue it is pointless

3.) This is like the 500,000th thread on the topic. You're not going to change any minds on it, you're not going to have anything resembling a conversation just bickering back and forth about people's opinions.

End of the day, people will think BDO's business model is or isn't acceptable and you're wasting your time trying to convince someone your opinion is more right than theirs.

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3.) This is like the 500,000th thread on the topic. You're not going to change any minds on it, you're not going to have anything resembling a conversation just bickering back and forth about people's opinions.

Here's to hoping they start doing a megathread like they did with the Goodbye thread before. 

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Here's to hoping they start doing a megathread like they did with the Goodbye thread before. 

They've actually done it a few times.

It never works because so many people feel the need to constantly rehash the same stuff that has already been said 50 times a day for 6 months. I can't say I've seen a single day go by since launch that there wasn't at least a few p2w threads.

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The old static definition of P2W no longer works. Definition of p2w changes from game to game and is dependent upon the relationship between what is sold in the cash shop and how such effects the game's design. Games like GW2 get away with unlimited tools, and currency exchange while other get call p2w for such. The difference comes down to game design.

GW2 can get away with alot of stuff being put into gemstore because of gold-to-gem conversion making a player with decent farming capability being able without much issue to get pretty much everything from the gemstore without breaking a sweat......

to be honest I haven't seen alot of other games giving so much freedom on that aspect - I mean - the only other mmo I have seen allowing to convert farmed currency to premium current was STO where such conversion was made by using game time-gated currency to buy premium currency from other players.... which is sliiiightly different thing and people were screaming already on STO as p2w

 

as for BDO... I'd not call it tbh p2w right now - prior to cstumes being tradeable it had that minor "hint" of p2w by costume bonuses unavailable at any mean for peeps without paying real cash.... as for artisans memory - to be honest I don't care about this one for me the item could not exist at all and I would have noticed any difference

 

but then I am not participating in the gear race some people apparently enjoy.....

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