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Is RNG making people despair and leave?

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I just don't go for accessories or main weapon unless I have a back up.  Armor is whatever, I embrace the failstacks from that.

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I'm not to worried about RNG, I just focus on making money and buy the equipment that I need and sell the rest, no failstacks, no hording, no deleveling or breaking.

Granted I don't focus on boss gear though, so I am probably biased. Boss gear just costs too much when you try to equip 6 characters O_o

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People claim all kinds of things "killed" or is killing the game, like karma bombing, casuals or p2w and blah blah. 

Meanwhile 9/10 players and friends of mine that quit, did so because of rng. They got burned out by farming for weeks and months only to fail again and again. You need a certain mindset to deal with this type of brutal rng and disappointment you generally find in Asian games. It's not something your average Western player is used to.

Just look at bad rng in more popular Western MMORPG's. It rarely goes further than failing to get some weapon after 20+ dungeon runs. Which of course is frustrating, but still miles away from blowing up hard earned accessories or loosing enhancement level on gear.

But dont expect rng to change in BDO. It's PA&Kakao's priority to standardize all clients and versions for easy patching. Not making a special BDO version for western gamers that hates rng lol. If you cant deal with it, play something else.

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I understand where you are coming from. I spent a lot of my free time playing this game. I pushed my gear to TRi after grinding as much as i could. After hitting tri I figured id go for tet, pushed my FS up on a few chars to about 50 each. Failed tet 5 times on my weapon, and in order to get it back I had to fs on my gear. Low behold all my gear is now pri, weapons to. Ive spent 21 sharps pushing my weapon back to duo, then failed getting tri with 55 stacks. Got it back again, after 12 more sharps to go from pri to duo, failed with another char at 50. Did this two more times, and now im back at pri again.

I was rocking 190 ap 248 dp and I wanted to advance. But now I got pushed back months. Its not really fun anymore, everyone said you shouldnt of went for tet but being stuck at a level for a long time isnt something I really enjoy. if my gear isng going up I am not progressing, which is my mindset.

I really dont know what do now, I really like the game and all it has to offer, but I just cant do the failing anymore. 

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On the verge of quitting myself. Pretty much what everyone has said sums it up. 

RNG and cost of upgrading is one thing, but degrading gear, accessories blowing up is absolute bullshit. Its a psychological test to see how much shit you can feed people before they give up. Unfortunately this could have been a great game but it is totally -----ed by the system. Sure some people like it, so I guess it will be interesting if there will be enough people left to keep the lights on..... 

On top of this they make it easier and easier to level, so much so that you fly through the little content there is so fast, so you get on the gear / gambling treadmill sooner. 

Certainly won't be putting a single cent more into this slot machine, err game. The sooner people see it for what it is the better for them. Gambling is addictive and there is enough of it (including the misery that goes along with it) in the real world. These guys are playing on it. It is one great deception. All they care about is milking your money and offering frustration and nothing else in return, 

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In my games I want my level of effort to matter.  Its discouraging to put in 20 hours on something, have it fail (and degrade) just to see someone else go for it with 0 fs and get it, or first time at boss and get it, etc.

Don't get me wrong, design wise (visual/world) the game is phenomenal, and there is so much to do, but when your reward for doing the grind is a LOSS of power rather than any kind of increase, it makes you question playing, and I think I am not alone in this.

Likewise. I'm enjoying the overall design of the world, visuals and classes a lot. Also the CP resource system had me hooked right from the start. In contrast, the whole grind/rng nature of upgrading gear goes against everything I tend to like in games. No skill involved and effort is cheapened or downright destroyed.

(Un-)Fortunately enough, gear-based PvP stopped interesting me the moment I first played PvP games with equalized stats. These days I actively PvP in other games, but I don't do so in BDO. Because of that, I don't feel rushed towards upgrading my gear. It happens when it happens and if it doesn't, well, maybe next time. Despair? No. Frustration? Certainly. Leaving? For as long as there is enough non-PvP-related content available, I'll stay.

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I'm pretty much not going to bother going past TRI unless all my characters are at that level and I'm bored.

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There is 2 things which annoy me and most of my friends the most:

1. RNG is just too much. It needs to be rebalanced a bit, especially regarding memory fragments as these are a major bottleneck. Introduce some alternative source for them. Also, increase max failstacks...

 

2. Sausans is pretty much the best spot for money since nearly half a year. It is far too overcrowded, even at 4am during the week it is full with people who are geared enough to do high level Valencia content because the money at Sausans is so much better. I can never farm money in peace for more than 30 minutes before getting either PKd or griefed. Please give us the Valencia drops buff ASAP. Maybe some more bandanas too.

 

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Was just talking about this in another thread...Will repost what I said there.

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I was just talking about this very fact with guild members last night. I've been largely discouraged as well tbh. I am really starting to believe people saying characters have a hidden luck stat. Maybe I just need to level them ALL to find out which one gets "lucky" lol.

I've been doing scrolls and bosses daily. I've gotten I think 3 or 4 Liverto in that time. 0 boss armor from drops, scrolls, or NV. Seeing others just get stuff back to back to back and just get richer and richer just...yeah. It's not skill based. It's completely RNG based.

I hover around 415-420 GS, and nowdays I just level horses and participate in sieges on Saturday. I just don't have the motivation to really do anything lately. Dunno, maybe I'm just in a funk after getting shafted for so long. lol.

Also why I really wish they allowed friend/guild P2P trading. I have a TON of materials I know people would love to have, and vice versa. A guildie was just talking about how all her friends are quitting due to horrible RNG, and she'd love to be able to give/sell them stuff to help them out...but NOPE.

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There is 2 things which annoy me and most of my friends the most:

1. RNG is just too much. It needs to be rebalanced a bit, especially regarding memory fragments as these are a major bottleneck. Introduce some alternative source for them. Also, increase max failstacks...

 

 

Man, I wish one could transfer stuff from one server to another. Memory Fragments are pretty much piling up on Uno. There were over 4000 listed in the Marketplace when I checked this morning. There were even more Memory Fragments than Relic Shards.

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It feels like it.  I am finding it harder to log in myself, just because RNG is so damn depressing most of the time.

If I wanted RNG rewards Id go to a real casino.

In my games I want my level of effort to matter.  Its discouraging to put in 20 hours on something, have it fail (and degrade) just to see someone else go for it with 0 fs and get it, or first time at boss and get it, etc.

Don't get me wrong, design wise (visual/world) the game is phenomenal, and there is so much to do, but when your reward for doing the grind is a LOSS of power rather than any kind of increase, it makes you question playing, and I think I am not alone in this.

as the stakes get higher and the cost to roll get higher it's only natural that people will begin to get sick of it, there are reasons that casinos have plenty of security, half their time their dealing with angry drunks which rolled for everything they had. Let's say that I'm going for a pri ogre, I fail it 3x then get a success, after the first 3 fails it's natural that I don't want to roll it anymore yet to progress and gain anything I NEED to roll it. If by some magic my 4rth attempt works then I now need to go for duo, a whole new layer of rng with even higher stakes and let's say I fail it 5x. I just had to play the lower price lottery multiple times to get what I need to go for duo. Etc to infinity and beyond but the point is that instead of continuing people would rather just quit entirely and thats always been the major flaw with p2w/rng kr grinders, everybody eventually gets sick of the roll. Take the new accesorie boxes for another example  the first day there were 10ish ogres obtain ed in my guild, every single one of them invested more into rolling then what it feasibly would have taken to get it through grind then buy methods and as such they all stop doing the roll, and that's not eve n counting all the people who got nothing at all and that just proves the isaue, due to this rolling and the inevitability of failure and the cost of that failure, will eventually cause a huge amount of the player base to simply drop off and stop playing so yes, it is an issue and there should be alternatives but looking at it from a monetary pov there's no reason for kakao to add alternatives to it.

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I had 3 sets I was upgrading, actually. Multiple characters with 50+ failstacks. Please tell me what I'm supposed to do with those stacks when I've seen ZERO boss gear, rotating 12 diff chars on NV, in beds, no luck with drops etc. Please enlighten me. Not able to get 2 different offhands to TRI (not boss), starting at 35, going up to almost 60 and STILL FAILING.

Blowing up accessories (spares or not!) is a PITA when doing it properly at max FS. Then turning around and seeing numerous people getting TRI acc with minimal FS. RNG IS RNG, but it is absolutely BRUTAL (imo anyways). Seeing the same people getting back to back zarka boxes, dandelion boxes, day in and day out. While you get absolutely fk all. Please tell me how that makes me stupid, being discouraged by that sort of stuff...When I'm putting in just as much (if not more) effort than anyone else, but being walled by pure RNG.

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I had 3 sets I was upgrading, actually. Multiple characters with 50+ failstacks. Please tell me what I'm supposed to do with those stacks when I've seen ZERO boss gear, rotating 12 diff chars on NV, in beds, no luck with drops etc. Please enlighten me. Not able to get 2 different offhands to TRI (not boss), starting at 35, going up to almost 60 and STILL FAILING.

Blowing up accessories (spares or not!) is a PITA when doing it properly at max FS. Then turning around and seeing numerous people getting TRI acc with minimal FS. RNG IS RNG, but it is absolutely BRUTAL (imo anyways). Seeing the same people getting back to back zarka boxes, dandelion boxes, day in and day out. While you get absolutely fk all. Please tell me how that makes me stupid, being discouraged by that sort of stuff...When I'm putting in just as much (if not more) effort than anyone else, but being walled by pure RNG.

did you end up with less AP/DP ?
no ? then you'Re doing fine. RNG comes around.
as for boss gears you can snatch them in auction when listed as TRI or TET it's pretty expensive but there other ways to get them than NV.

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from his post he didn't really complain about his gear degrading in that specific context but rather as an example of the overwhelming odds which seem to play against the player yet work for others and he never asked for free stuff but rather that his work have some kind of meaningful impact on his character, ur post is rude and no doubt ur using this as yet another way to prove yourself superior in your own mind just because of xyz reason in your own life degrading what u believe to be a universal value 

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from his post he didn't really complain about his gear degrading in that specific context but rather as an example of the overwhelming odds which seem to play against the player yet work for others and he never asked for free stuff but rather that his work have some kind of meaningful impact on his character, ur post is rude and no doubt ur using this as yet another way to prove yourself superior in your own mind just because of xyz reason in your own life degrading what u believe to be a universal value 

ok , well if he doesnt get gears by playing, he'll get levels and he'll get better at his class, that's a form of meaningful impact on his character , is it not.

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ok , well if he doesnt get gears by playing, he'll get levels and he'll get better at his class, that's a form of meaningful impact on his character , is it not.

sure he would getc levels and skill points, both which are major things in awakening but along the way gear is an importent thing as well, to the point that it is very much so importent and while yes those are impactfull things, they do nothing to deal with the depression of rng rolls and boss loots which both very unusual to succeed at for the Avarage player. With most mmo's there is multiple avenues which need to be addressed to advance, progression in one area doesn't aid in another that requires near absurd luck or time investment in the form of grind profits with which to buy the gear and thats what is depressing our OP, the lack of tangible visible progression.

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I had 3 sets I was upgrading, actually. Multiple characters with 50+ failstacks. Please tell me what I'm supposed to do with those stacks when I've seen ZERO boss gear, rotating 12 diff chars on NV, in beds, no luck with drops etc. Please enlighten me. Not able to get 2 different offhands to TRI (not boss), starting at 35, going up to almost 60 and STILL FAILING.

 

If you set a pre order for night vendor prices for a +0, you'll eventually get it.

You may say, 'I'm not paying 200m+ for a 95m item', but that's what you're going to pay at the night vendor any way.

Be glad you have those fail stacks though.  They WILL pay off in the end.

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In games that I play, you can get max gear by playing enough.

Max gear here would be PEN everywhere.

 

I find it odd that 99% of players won't ever have a single PEN item (Bares doesn't count). PvP would be much better if there wasn't such a huge gear gap between players.

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RNG Equipment that's being discussed here is the worst part of this game. It's probably the thing that will make me eventually quit.

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yeps probally is

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Yeah RNG can suck. But going past TRI really requires alot of silver.

The one thing that has sucked the life out of this game for me is that once you hit 57+ you pretty well have to level and get silver in two places and thats Pirates or Suasans. That is what makes the game shit for me. Ok I guess if there were a lot more area's to get good exp or loot then there'd be less pvp but I really couldn't be -----ed pvping my way past 57+ and doing in only 2 area's.

 The desert area's are either ridiculously crap xp or the loot is rubbish.

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I have a 100% resist to rng after playing vindictus for years.

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Just attend your local Mystery Accessory Box Anonymous meetings. The system works if you work the system... just remember to have your afk activities going when you leave for that meeting.

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There is 2 things which annoy me and most of my friends the most:

1. RNG is just too much. It needs to be rebalanced a bit, especially regarding memory fragments as these are a major bottleneck. Introduce some alternative source for them. Also, increase max failstacks...

 

2. Sausans is pretty much the best spot for money since nearly half a year. It is far too overcrowded, even at 4am during the week it is full with people who are geared enough to do high level Valencia content because the money at Sausans is so much better. I can never farm money in peace for more than 30 minutes before getting either PKd or griefed. Please give us the Valencia drops buff ASAP. Maybe some more bandanas too.

 

SAusans is the best spot?? what are u smoking?? That statement just shows, you dont know what you're talking about.

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