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Allow player to player trading

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why is this still not a thing??? i get it that you ddnt want the game to be p2w but it already is, and dont come to me and say it isnt cuz you are bullshiting me, i started fresh on a new server 2 weeks ago and im already lvl 56 with 144ap-137 dp all from selling cash shop items xD ive p2w this game so much so you should already admit that yes, the game is p2w, so , my friend is a really lucky guy, he has gotten 3 ogre ring to pri alrady and he has tried to sell to me twice , WHY THE FK DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE THE RING TO ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE MARKET PLACE!!! HE IS MY FKIGN FRIEND AND IF HE WANTS TO SELL TO ME! THEN LET HIM! omfg im so pissed im thinking im gonna quit, give us player to player trading already!!!

 

solutions

1-give us this feature, the game is not a sandbox as long as i cant trade with who i want

 

2-give us an option to be able to sell to someone or to trade to someone for the marketplace value that the item is currently sold for, this would give not advantage to the goldsellers at all cuz we couldnt sell or buy items for anything more than what its already gonna be posted on the market

i rather have option one, its stupid to have a ammo without trading, but id be ok with option 2

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It would be nice. And option 2 would not ruin the marketplace system.

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It would be nice. And option 2 would not ruin the marketplace system.

thank u!!, hope theres more people without blindfolds around here

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why is this still not a thing??? i get it that you ddnt want the game to be p2w but it already is, and dont come to me and say it isnt cuz you are bullshiting me, i started fresh on a new server 2 weeks ago and im already lvl 56 with 144ap-137 dp all from selling cash shop items xD ive p2w this game so much so you should already admit that yes, the game is p2w, so , my friend is a really lucky guy, he has gotten 3 ogre ring to pri alrady and he has tried to sell to me twice , WHY THE FK DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE THE RING TO ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE MARKET PLACE!!! HE IS MY FKIGN FRIEND AND IF HE WANTS TO SELL TO ME! THEN LET HIM! omfg im so pissed im thinking im gonna quit, give us player to player trading already!!!

 

solutions

1-give us this feature, the game is not a sandbox as long as i cant trade with who i want

 

2-give us an option to be able to sell to someone or to trade to someone for the marketplace value that the item is currently sold for, this would give not advantage to the goldsellers at all cuz we couldnt sell or buy items for anything more than what its already gonna be posted on the market

Your AP and DP are not even close to being at average, so you didn't successfully pay to win as you thought you did.

Player-to-player trading is not disabled due to p2w. It's disabled for many reasons, a big one being RMT.

You do not understand what real pay to win is until you allow RMT to run rampant in your game. People saw Archeage as the pinnacle of pay to win - yes, you often needed to buy Trion's currency to do certain things. But the people walking around in 3x better gear than you and one shotting you hardly gave trion any money. They bought it off of gold sellers.

Add player trading and all grinding spots will be taken by bots, all chats will be filled with gold spammers, the gear gap grows larger, people get fed up with ACTUAL pay-to-win (which is having a trading system that allows RMT), and nobody enjoys the game anymore.

I'm very surprised your friend didn't figure out that you can't give other people your stuff directly through pre-order the first time, and actually wasted a second pri ogre ring.

You are not exclusively the owner to anything placed on the marketplace. If another player buys it, then it's their's. Period. What makes you think that no other player has the right to place a pre-order for an ogre ring, or purchase it when it pops up? What gives you this right? The marketplace is available to everyone.

If no player-to-player trading is a feature that makes you "so pissed [that you're] gonna quit", shouldn't this have been a red flag for you before you started playing? It's no secret that this is a feature of the game.

Also, this game is not a sandbox. I do not know where you got the idea that it is. It's just an MMORPG, and nowhere close to a sandbox.

Your second solution also ignores the fact that the marketplace is BDO's #1 most important silver sink to remove currency from the economy, otherwise prices inflate and the rich players get richer (further increasing the gear cap, as your other suggestions do). This does give advantages to the goldsellers, very directly. Bheg's gloves are what, 80m on the marketplace? People put in pre-orders for 300m+ for that item. If you can sell things at market value, then gold sellers would:

Use stolen credit cards / bots to earn money ingame, automatically snipe every valuable item from the marketplace, making it more difficult for the average player to obtain. They could sell items rather than silver, and sell those Bheg's gloves for market price IF the buyer gives them an amount of money through illegal RMT.

 

You may think that your "solutions" are easy and perfect, but they are nowhere near close - and that is an understatement.

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Your AP and DP are not even close to being at average, so you didn't successfully pay to win as you thought you did.

Player-to-player trading is not disabled due to p2w. It's disabled for many reasons, a big one being RMT.

You do not understand what real pay to win is until you allow RMT to run rampant in your game. People saw Archeage as the pinnacle of pay to win - yes, you often needed to buy Trion's currency to do certain things. But the people walking around in 3x better gear than you and one shotting you hardly gave trion any money. They bought it off of gold sellers.

Add player trading and all grinding spots will be taken by bots, all chats will be filled with gold spammers, the gear gap grows larger, people get fed up with ACTUAL pay-to-win (which is having a trading system that allows RMT), and nobody enjoys the game anymore.

I'm very surprised your friend didn't figure out that you can't give other people your stuff directly through pre-order the first time, and actually wasted a second pri ogre ring.

You are not exclusively the owner to anything placed on the marketplace. If another player buys it, then it's their's. Period. What makes you think that no other player has the right to place a pre-order for an ogre ring, or purchase it when it pops up? What gives you this right? The marketplace is available to everyone.

If no player-to-player trading is a feature that makes you "so pissed [that you're] gonna quit", shouldn't this have been a red flag for you before you started playing? It's no secret that this is a feature of the game.

Also, this game is not a sandbox. I do not know where you got the idea that it is. It's just an MMORPG, and nowhere close to a sandbox.

Your second solution also ignores the fact that the marketplace is BDO's #1 most important silver sink to remove currency from the economy, otherwise prices inflate and the rich players get richer (further increasing the gear cap, as your other suggestions do). This does give advantages to the goldsellers, very directly. Bheg's gloves are what, 80m on the marketplace? People put in pre-orders for 300m+ for that item. If you can sell things at market value, then gold sellers would:

Use stolen credit cards / bots to earn money ingame, automatically snipe every valuable item from the marketplace, making it more difficult for the average player to obtain. They could sell items rather than silver, and sell those Bheg's gloves for market price IF the buyer gives them an amount of money through illegal RMT.

 

You may think that your "solutions" are easy and perfect, but they are nowhere near close - and that is an understatement.

i know im pretty below average, but your are missing the fact that ive been playing for only 3 weeks, and that in 2 months ill be up there just by sliding my card, yes i have money, but thats not the point, the point is that RMT is alrady on the game 

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i know im pretty below average, but your are missing the fact that ive been playing for only 3 weeks, and that in 2 months ill be up there just by sliding my card, yes i have money, but thats not the point, the point is that RMT is alrady on the game 

That did not address 90% of the points I brought up on how this suggestion would be completely game breaking.

I can get to your AP and DP, as well as your level, in 4 to 5 days of play.

Edit: For clarification, the level is easily achievable in one day.

Others who are better than me can do it in 1 to 2, I'd assume.

Keep sliding your card, you'll never catch up to those who play the game religiously.

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That did not address 90% of the points I brought up on how this suggestion would be completely game breaking.

I can get to your AP and DP, as well as your level, in 4 to 5 days of play.

Others who are better than me can do it in 1 to 2, I'd assume.

Keep sliding your card, you'll never catch up to those who play the game religiously.

yeah i rather have a life, like 80% of the playerbase that decided to leave the game 3 months after launch :) you know nothing jhon snow

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This trash again

YOU CAN NOT TRADE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HANDLE A FEATURE LIKE THIS.

 

THIS IS THE RESULT OF MILLIONS OF GAMER'S CHEATING FOR YEARS

 

DEAL WITH IT

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yeah i rather have a life, like 80% of the playerbase that decided to leave the game 3 months after launch :) you know nothing jhon snow

That's perfectly fine by me, I don't play the game religiously either. Whether you play the game a lot or not is not really of my concern and isn't related to anything in this topic besides the part where you claimed that you were/are able to pay-to-win to "up there". Just wanted to make sure you knew that even in a years time of selling the max amount of pearl items you could possibly buy with that amount of money, you'll be nowhere near what's actually "up there".

 

And 80% is quite a number, source?

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I'd like to see a sort of system that promotes player interaction but limits buying selling irl.

 

how about a system where I will trade you bheg gloves but in order for us to be able to trade we need to exchange of an equal amount. I.e. I have and extra bhegs  my friend has muskans since these items are both the same market price we can trade. 

This would also allow players to give the other person equivalent amount of silver or items that add up to that amount say within a + or - 1mil range. This would not leave open the avenue for buying irl because if someone is paying 80$  irl but still have to pay 95mil in game it's not hurting the in game economy at all just that person is an idiot.

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I'd like to see a sort of system that promotes player interaction but limits buying selling irl.

 

how about a system where I will trade you bheg gloves but in order for us to be able to trade we need to exchange of an equal amount. I.e. I have and extra bhegs  my friend has muskans since these items are both the same market price we can trade. 

This would also allow players to give the other person equivalent amount of silver or items that add up to that amount say within a + or - 1mil range. This would not leave open the avenue for buying irl because if someone is paying 80$  irl but still have to pay 95mil in game it's not hurting the in game economy at all just that person is an idiot.

But that would still hurt the largest silver sink in the game, the marketplace. Of course it's easy to add tax to the system, so that could be worked around.

But the issue I see here is this.

Bheg's gloves 70-80m = Pre-ordered for upwards of over 300m.

DUO Grunil Armor is around the same price as bheg's gloves, and you can also easily get this for 30 to 40m through enhancement.

 

What would stop me from trading my 70m Grunil Armor and $100 paypal for a 300m+ bheg's gloves, since the market prices are the same?

 

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i know im pretty below average, but your are missing the fact that ive been playing for only 3 weeks, and that in 2 months ill be up there just by sliding my card, yes i have money, but thats not the point, the point is that RMT is alrady on the game 

yeah stop lying bud you been playing longer then two weeks

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But that would still hurt the largest silver sink in the game, the marketplace. Of course it's easy to add tax to the system, so that could be worked around.

But the issue I see here is this.

Bheg's gloves 70-80m = Pre-ordered for upwards of over 300m.

DUO Grunil Armor is around the same price as bheg's gloves, and you can also easily get this for 30 to 40m through enhancement.

 

What would stop me from trading my 70m Grunil Armor and $100 paypal for a 300m+ bheg's gloves, since the market prices are the same?

 

omg dude, no one gives one single heck about your silver sink, are you the fkign owner fo the marketplace that is getting all those taxes!?!? shut upt about that already cuz ith 30% taxes on marketplace we alrady have enough silver sinks!

yeah stop lying bud you been playing longer then two weeks

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read the post again, i said, i started this NEW character on a NEW server, plus i had quit for MONTHS!

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Regardless if its free trade or trade for marketplace value this is what will happen.

1) Big name guilds will require people to "pay" to join the "Best PvP Guild" because they would sell the drops to new members. This in turn A) Hordes "good" gear to larger guilds. B) allows larger guilds to directly power gear (like power leveling) their members, even if they suck. C) Larger "pay for membership" guilds will dominate because people will pay to be in the winning guild. 

2) People will just sell the items to their friends.

3) RMT, gold sellers will have their grinders farm boss armor or high desired items. They will sell those items for silver. Then they could tell someone "buy xyz amount of crap item, trade 250 items for xyz price" This way they can still "sell silver" to players in game. 

A big part of this game is reliant on people going out and farming the drops. The competition in gear comes from playing the marketplace if RNG is not nice to you.

 

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omg dude, no one gives one single heck about your silver sink, are you the fkign owner fo the marketplace that is getting all those taxes!?!? shut upt about that already cuz ith 30% taxes on marketplace we alrady have enough silver sinks!

I'm gonna make a meme out of you one day

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i had quit for MONTHS!

Either you quit, or you don't. In this case, you clearly didn't. What you did can be called taking a break from the game, not quitting, since you're back and playing :). Also, player to player trade is just asking botters and gold sellers to play the game xD. Option 2 might work though, but yeah.... would be hard to regulate that I think since marketplace prices are always changing :).

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i know im pretty below average, but your are missing the fact that ive been playing for only 3 weeks, and that in 2 months ill be up there just by sliding my card, yes i have money, but thats not the point, the point is that RMT is alrady on the game 

You won't be anywhere near competitive unless you grind in this game 6-8hours a day. Do you want to know how much game-time i've accrued since the game has been out? 139 days played. That's over 2700 hours. I wake up, play this game, and then go to bed, i commonly do 8hour sessions and i've streamed on twitch for up to 16hours straight, and some people are still higher than me in level and in gear.

 

The truth of this game is that you could spend money, and end up with nothing because of how the RNG works, and that if you don't actively play the game, you won't be competitive. You need to be level 58 minimum, level 60 and 190+AP preferred to be competitive among region owning guilds. 59-60 isn't even 1.5% XP/Hour.

And do you want to know what? There's already people months ahead of you swiping there card just as-well.

One of the highest geared players in this game on NA has only spent 80$ total in BDO and vows to never spend another penny, because that is how RNG works.

 

Now if they introduce that gear equalized 3v3 and 5v5 arena they were talking about, every player in the game will be competitive at-least for arena, giving everyone a fair shot at the arena ladder. The one illya island arena is already in-game and even has a big-screen tv in the arena, and the 2nd arena is the one we saw at gamescon which was the 5v5 arena.

 

Whenever I'm not at work, I'm playing this game, this game has consumed my life and has become my waifu. xD

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I smell a gold farmer

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yeah i rather have a life, like 80% of the playerbase that decided to leave the game 3 months after launch :) you know nothing jhon snow

you dont need to be a "no life" tor each that ap dp,friend of mine that recently came back has 50 more points in gearscore than your "p2w" chara in less than 2 weeks and hes a casual and dosent play everyday.just need to be efficient

I like option 2. i think it would be workable without much harm

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Capped free trade doesn't allow gold sellers while allowing player to player trade, let people trade whatever they want to whoever they want up to a certain weekly limit.

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There should be actual TRADE CARAVANS, each player that wants to trade an item should talk to the caravan NPC then pay some silver for each item they wish to trade. Then those items are placed on a slow moving wagon going from Epheria Port to Valencia city.

The wagon and he players are all flagged for pvp while the wagon is in motion. IF the wagon makes it all the way to Valencia, the items are automatically dropped off in that player's Valencia storage. If the wagon is destroyed, the players would have to queu again for the next caravan. This would keep out the gold sellers and create a new mini-game in BDO

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Option 1 is retard as other ppl said its asking gold seller and botters to invade the game 24/7.

Yet option 2 is really nice imo and hope to see it in the game it's better than dealing with the B on some items in market place that I don't understand after playing almost 4 moths. 

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Kakao is the only certified silver seller. Player to player trade will never happen.

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But that would still hurt the largest silver sink in the game, the marketplace. Of course it's easy to add tax to the system, so that could be worked around.

But the issue I see here is this.

Bheg's gloves 70-80m = Pre-ordered for upwards of over 300m.

DUO Grunil Armor is around the same price as bheg's gloves, and you can also easily get this for 30 to 40m through enhancement.

 

What would stop me from trading my 70m Grunil Armor and $100 paypal for a 300m+ bheg's gloves, since the market prices are the same?

 

You could still implement the tax, even if you are selling directly from player A to player B. Like a mini personal marketplace. You would only be able to trade an item for silver and it would have to be an amount between the min/max price of the marketplace.

Considering that the marketplace only lets you buy the lowest priced item, it may have to be the same price as that.

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You could still implement the tax, even if you are selling directly from player A to player B. Like a mini personal marketplace. You would only be able to trade an item for silver and it would have to be an amount between the min/max price of the marketplace.

Considering that the marketplace only lets you buy the lowest priced item, it may have to be the same price as that.

I mentioned that at the start of the post you quoted, but also mentioned why this still would break the game and result in bdo being overrun by gold spammers/farmers/bots/sellers and ultimately breaking the game by allowing gold farmers to sell boss gear for real money (based on their actual worth vs. their market worth)

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