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Here is some reading material for shovel exploiters

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12.1.4. Use of Exploits

 

The User shall immediately report any process or action(s) which, when performed in the Game, allow the User to play the Game in a way it was no intended to be played by game design (hereinafter, an “Exploit”).

 

The User shall never attempt to reproduce an Exploit, except for the purpose of providing the reproduction steps to customer support of Kakao Games Europe.

 

Any benefit acquired from the direct or indirect action of Exploiting shall be reversed if deemed necessary by Kakao Games Europe.

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Sadly, I doubt that it is feasible to find who exploited from a developer's perspective. Even if they keep logs, they would have to search a huge database manually to make any consistent conclusions. I doubt it will happen. Rules are there to mostly induce fear, but to take action upon them it would have to be while catching the exploiters while exploiting. I would be very happy to be wrong though..

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The logs should give it away "No empty slot" x10, "Sharp shard obtained" x1, repeated trends. 

I mean come on it's 2016, do we not have the ability with all the analyzing software & compute power to find this shit? 

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now kakao better investigate all na accounts and ban anyone that has supicios major silvers and or gear as these hackers have messed up the game for the rest of us!

The logs should give it away "No empty slot" x10, "Sharp shard obtained" x1, repeated trends. 

I mean come on it's 2016, do we not have the ability with all the analyzing software & compute power to find this shit? 

logs will say this you seem to think kakao is super dumb and that the origional devs would have not developed this logging format files to prevent exsploits and hacks. It is simple to shadow code logs but takes alot of time to investigate them but now its out and the exsploit is frozen no shovels or water you can be sure the shadow files are being inspected.

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now kakao better investigate all na accounts and ban anyone that has supicios major silvers and or gear as these hackers have messed up the game for the rest of us!

logs will say this you seem to think kakao is super dumb and that the origional devs would have not developed this logging format files to prevent exsploits and hacks. It is simple to shadow code logs but takes alot of time to investigate them but now its out and the exsploit is frozen no shovels or water you can be sure the shadow files are being inspected.

I hope so, wish they'd make an official statement on what they plan to do.

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I hope so, wish they'd make an official statement on what they plan to do.

so do I as nothing bugs me more than hearing about a exsploit that was allowed for months and nothing is done about it... I only started doing veluncia quests like 3 weeks ago and had no clue about this. people were all talking they make like 200 mill aday afk digging in chat... when I asked how no one said a thing just git gud and learn to dig noob.

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Here's some viewing material of Grav--- shovel exploiters

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Sadly, I doubt that it is feasible to find who exploited from a developer's perspective. Even if they keep logs, they would have to search a huge database manually to make any consistent conclusions. I doubt it will happen. Rules are there to mostly induce fear, but to take action upon them it would have to be while catching the exploiters while exploiting. I would be very happy to be wrong though..

"manually", lol ... hell no, any self respecting developer could write a basic script in less than 10 minutes to parse the logs and export the data into a db or csv with fields / cols for "number of times digging occurred, number of sharps acquired, number of hards acquired". That is, if the logs actually record such things... they might have to resort to MP logs (which I imagine they must have at the very least), but that would only catch the ones who sold well above market averages... 

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. when I asked how no one said a thing just git gud and learn to dig noob.

I love this part, i knew some ppl throw some of my friends, they were acting all good and skilled then they got banned during the banning waves happened early this summer, imagine how many of those "top players" are just fake exploiting in any chance since the mark of the shadow glitch early game.

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Sadly, I doubt that it is feasible to find who exploited from a developer's perspective. Even if they keep logs, they would have to search a huge database manually to make any consistent conclusions.

You literally have no clue what you are talking about. There are loads of tools for analysing log data, some of the best ones are free too (Google "Splunk") 

Someone already pointed out that you would just need to look for recurring instances of "there is no empty slot" when someone is digging. It'll be pretty obvious if someone was exploiting.

It's just a question of whether they keep this specific log data for each account, and if they do, how far back the logs go.

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Sadly, I doubt that it is feasible to find who exploited from a developer's perspective. Even if they keep logs, they would have to search a huge database manually to make any consistent conclusions. I doubt it will happen. Rules are there to mostly induce fear, but to take action upon them it would have to be while catching the exploiters while exploiting. I would be very happy to be wrong though..

unless proof was provided? :^)

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They have the abilities to look at logs and ban people. Look at who all got banned for no cd hacking and botting. The day is coming soon. 

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I love this part, i knew some ppl throw some of my friends, they were acting all good and skilled then they got banned during the banning waves happened early this summer, imagine how many of those "top players" are just fake exploiting in any chance since the mark of the shadow glitch early game.

I know their are many but now word is out servers wide about this glitch if nothings done many of us will quit forget the whole p2w crap!

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The logs should give it away "No empty slot" x10, "Sharp shard obtained" x1, repeated trends. 

I mean come on it's 2016, do we not have the ability with all the analyzing software & compute power to find this shit? 

It takes 100s of hours to analyze alot of logs.. I work for a medical software company that designs and sells medical software, and we offer technical support and such, it takes forever to comb through a ton of logs, and it is horridly boring. That is the issue here. They WILL be able to do something about it, but it takes time.

You can only go as fast as the human itself. It doesn't matter how fast the computer is.

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It takes 100s of hours to analyze alot of logs.. I work for a medical software company that designs and sells medical software, and we offer technical support and such, it takes forever to comb through a ton of logs, and it is horridly boring. That is the issue here. They WILL be able to do something about it, but it takes time.

You can only go as fast as the human itself. It doesn't matter how fast the computer is.

Couldn't have said it better!

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You can only go as fast as the human itself. It doesn't matter how fast the computer is.

You think someone opens Notepad.exe and scrolls through the log files one line at a time?

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It takes 100s of hours to analyze alot of logs.. I work for a medical software company that designs and sells medical software, and we offer technical support and such, it takes forever to comb through a ton of logs, and it is horridly boring. That is the issue here. They WILL be able to do something about it, but it takes time.

You can only go as fast as the human itself. It doesn't matter how fast the computer is.

I understand it is a long and boring process. 

BUT, surely they could use a code that would raise red flags on obvious instances of cheating? I can understand it's difficult to judge who is legit and who is not in some cases, but if you've got some logs that flag up with the "no empty slot" over and over, and "shard obtained" over and over, it's surely easy to find those individuals and then take a manual inspection from there. Like a fishing net, some will slip but the most obvious, economy damaging players would be caught. 

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Everybody who abused this mechanic needs to be perma banned.  Not suspended.  Not temporarily banned.  Not rolled back.  Not have their gear degraded.  They need to be perma banned.  End of story.   Abusing a mechanic like this is cheating and creates a huge advantage in a game that is primarily about gear advantage in its end-game PVP warfare.

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You think someone opens Notepad.exe and scrolls through the log files one line at a time?

Splunk says hi

It takes forever to comb through logs, even with the programs we use where I work. I don't directly do anything with logs, but i've talked to the people that do, and finding specific issues in logs isn't easy. I just install software on laptops and package them and build desktops before they need to be delivered

and no, I don't think someone opens notepad.exe, lol. I was talking about more of the fact that they will have to check alot of players logs, and there is quite a lot of people that still play this game, actually finding the issue in the log wouldn't take long, but checking each player and banning them one by one would take forever.

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If for instance the log is the programming equivalent of a txt file (which is just about freaking anything you want), and the equivalent message for "inventory full while digging" is known, as a second year com-sci student I could write a program that could sift through that in about 45 minutes while logging cases where the following occur:

goes over ## in a row digging and resulting in full inventory for a character

the number of times going over this number occurs for a character (or family if so chosen)

the associated character/family name associated with that log entry 

the line in the log where this occurred

outputting to any format of your choice, i'd probably use an excel sheet (this will take a bit more than those 45 minutes, but not to much more).

Of course a simplistic line by line parser is highly inefficient for massive logs, but it really is a joke to program for well... any semi-learned programmer. After that point it's just a matter of time until it finishes parsing through whatever log file you give it. Could take a couple days for giant logs, but that's just a computer you leave sitting off to the side and wait for it tell you it finished.

There is of course the case where log entries for different types of things are extremely similar to each other, then that's just PA (or Daum? for logs?) for being incredibly stupid. 

It takes 100s of hours to analyze alot of logs.. I work for a medical software company that designs and sells medical software, and we offer technical support and such, it takes forever to comb through a ton of logs, and it is horridly boring. That is the issue here. They WILL be able to do something about it, but it takes time.

You can only go as fast as the human itself. It doesn't matter how fast the computer is.

You're clearing acting as a 3rd party while going over those logs, if you're looking for a specific KNOWN log line and you're only looking for that one type of entry, it really is just that easy to parse the log. 

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