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Questions for the Archeage players who play BDO

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How similar are these two games? I love the AA politics and the "everybody knows everybody" type of community where people hang around in towns together dueling and shooting the breeze.  Is this illegal trading the only way I can kill people with packs on in this game as well? Will there be a known crafter in BDO who makes high level gear or will it be everyone making their own stuff?

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AA is garbage! I hate it, it makes me angry!

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AA is garbage! I hate it, it makes me angry!

ok?

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This game has every bit of the depth of ArcheAge but a VERY different developer/publisher that does not emphasize cash grab like XL/Trino. The game is similar in many respects with some totally unique innovations (like the Knowledge system, the Conversation system, just to name two) and a lot of fun mini games and sub systems (Fishing, crafting, gathering and yes, even Farming).

The games are similar at a certain level but there are important differences. The combat is totally kick ass fun in this game, one of the best features overall. It is highly visceral, with booming sound effects and thumps you can feel in your chest, it's really fun and makes you actually look forward to grinding.

Don't worry about the "energy" system that is often compared to AA's Labor points. It's nothing like it. For one thing, you regenerate energy very fast, I find myself constantly full and have to use up some so that I'm regenerating and not wasting the opportunity. Also, you won't be able to buy Worker's comp pots in the cash shop. Players who are willing to bottle up their extra energy can sell it on the AH, but the publisher isn't getting in on that.

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ok?

I'm sorry, all that game does for me is make me angry.

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Buuttttt.............

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This game has every bit of the depth of ArcheAge but a VERY different developer/publisher that does not emphasize cash grab like XL/Trino. The game is similar in many respects with some totally unique innovations (like the Knowledge system, the Conversation system, just to name two) and a lot of fun mini games and sub systems (Fishing, crafting, gathering and yes, even Farming).

The games are similar at a certain level but there are important differences. The combat is totally kick ass fun in this game, one of the best features overall. It is highly visceral, with booming sound effects and thumps you can feel in your chest, it's really fun and makes you actually look forward to grinding.

Don't worry about the "energy" system that is often compared to AA's Labor points. It's nothing like it. For one thing, you regenerate energy very fast, I find myself constantly full and have to use up some so that I'm regenerating and not wasting the opportunity. Also, you won't be able to buy Worker's comp pots in the cash shop. Players who are willing to bottle up their extra energy can sell it on the AH, but the publisher isn't getting in on that.

I think you misspelled Trion, or is that a new edgelord thing to do ?

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AA is garbage! I hate it, it makes me angry!

^ True story.

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I think you misspelled Trion, or is that a new edgelord thing to do ?

"trino" became the commonly called name for "Trion" in the forums... I think it was meant to denote how badly the screwed so many things up, or someone typed it and it stuck.

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"trino" became the commonly called name for "Trion" in the forums... I think it was meant to denote how badly the screwed so many things up, or someone typed it and it stuck.

Trino pls is how it got started...it's a copycat/parody of Rito pls...from some poster freaking out or something at Riot.

Don't know the specifics...never played a Riot game.

 

I DID play AA though...from Alpha until present day (with a ragequit or two along the way) and I can say without any hesitation that as much as I loved that game initially, it has gone WAY past the point of no return and is toast...Trino and XL are just trying to grab as much cash as they can and don't even care anymore that the game is burning to the ground.

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Trino pls is how it got started...it's a copycat/parody of Rito pls...from some poster freaking out or something or Riot.

Don't know the specifics...never played a Riot game.

 

I DID play AA though...from Alpha until present day (with a ragequit or two along the way) and I can say without any hesitation that as much asw I loved that game initially, it has gone WAY past the point of no return and is toast...Trino and XL are just trying to grab as much cash as they can and don't even care anymore that the game is burning to the ground.

Thanks for the clarification on the origin of Trino!  Yeah huge money grab, I don't mind paying to support a game I like but that much greed is just painful!

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I appreciate that Daum seems to be wanting a "good" and healthy community rather than cultivate and support a sick twisted sort of demented youths.  Hopefully they don't change that.

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this triggers me, BDO 10x better and not p2w

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Trino pls is how it got started...it's a copycat/parody of Rito pls...from some poster freaking out or something at Riot.

Don't know the specifics...never played a Riot game.

 

I DID play AA though...from Alpha until present day (with a ragequit or two along the way) and I can say without any hesitation that as much as I loved that game initially, it has gone WAY past the point of no return and is toast...Trino and XL are just trying to grab as much cash as they can and don't even care anymore that the game is burning to the ground.

Same here, I played AA to death, from Alpha to a fresh restart on Morpheus. Loved so much about that game but ultimately could not stomach XL/Trino and the obsessive and persistent cash grab. It was embarrassing how openly and brazenly they screwed their customers, and how badly they treated them. Never has so much gaming potential been so wasted by such greed and incompetence.

I was therefore *very* wary of yet another KR game with a cash shop, so I watched from a distance for some time before I finally came to the conclusion that PA/Daum might just be a better team than XL/Trino and bought a pack. Since then I've been playing on KR and have really come to enjoy this game. I'm looking forward to the NA launch and watching carefully to see if PA/Daum start heading in the same direction. After all, AA during Alpha/Beta was great and really only got nasty after release. So anything could happen still.

 

 

 

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Thanks for the clarification on the origin of Trino! 

It was a heartfelt act of kindness ;)

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It was a heartfelt act of kindness ;)

lol, well played!

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lol, well played!

If you liked that one this one will really knock your socks off ;)

 

Lance doesn't even have a beta key...I have the cheapest pack (30 dollar one) if I win the conq. (to upgrade mine) I'll buy a 30 dollar pack and give it to Lance.

 

It loses something by making it contingent I know but budget etc. etc. :D

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How similar are these two games? I love the AA politics and the "everybody knows everybody" type of community where people hang around in towns together dueling and shooting the breeze.  Is this illegal trading the only way I can kill people with packs on in this game as well? Will there be a known crafter in BDO who makes high level gear or will it be everyone making their own stuff?

They are the same. 

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If you liked that one this one will really knock your socks off ;)

 

Lance doesn't even have a beta key...I have the cheapest pack (30 dollar one) if I win the conq. (to upgrade mine) I'll buy a 30 dollar pack and give it to Lance.

 

It loses something by making it contingent I know but budget etc. etc. :D

You may have to alter your plans, I'm not giving away cash, I have already purchased the conqueror's pack.  I'll be turning over the email account it is attached to for the winner.

They are the same. 

I hope you're kidding and if you're not I sincerely hope you're mistaken!

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You may have to alter your plans, I'm not giving away cash, I have already purchased the conqueror's pack.  I'll be turning over the email account it is attached to for the winner.

I hope you're kidding and if you're not I sincerely hope you're mistaken!

I have seen at least 15 people from AA its the same

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You may have to alter your plans, I'm not giving away cash, I have already purchased the conqueror's pack.  I'll be turning over the email account it is attached to for the winner.

 

Ah, I misunderstood...I thought you could gift them to another account...

Sorry Lance.

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Ah, I misunderstood...I thought you could gift them to another account...

Sorry Lance.

I decided to go this route for the better chance of providing for a player who really wants the game.  I was afraid if I gave away cash it would just end up in someone's pocket and I really don't want to give away money it just feels cheap.. I'm not rich I just want to share the game if I can :-)

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I decided to go this route for the better chance of providing for a player who really wants the game.  I was afraid if I gave away cash it would just end up in someone's pocket and I really don't want to give away money it just feels cheap.. I'm not rich I just want to share the game if I can :-)

I hope it goes well and someone who really needs/wants it gets it...that obviously isn't me as I already have a low end pack...I'm going to go back to low grade trolling now...Don't mind me :P

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Both games started with a similar vision and goal for their worlds. An open sandbox style mmorpg. They both have lots of features in common.

The difference is implementation. How you get there is just as important as where you want to go when it comes to games.

Combat:

AA: Dated and derivative. A mixture f the standard control systems of more orthodox MMO's, AA is an easy system to learn, but holds no novelty for any mature gamer. It's the same static grind you've played before.

BDO: Action combat in a nearly console style format. A hybrid of true action combat and RPG background calculation. Very mobile, very dynamic.

Trade:

AA: Like all MMO's an auction house, some merchants, etc... Players can transport goods for profit. They can also be attacked by other players and their goods taken. Sounds good in theory, but in practice... It is wide open territory for RPK and abuse. While many did enjoy the system, just as many refused to participate and hid in safe zones.

BDO: Auctions and merchants. Players can transport goods. They can also be attacked. However, nothing good is dropped. The player loses nothing, the attacker gains nothing. The result? Clock cycles eaten up by the cpu to render traderunning players and npc's for no reason. No combat happens here, the game mechanic is without purpose or incentive. (Valencia update is said to address this failing, but no information can be found to show it being successful in reigniting interest in that action)

Crafting:

AA and BDO: RNG snorefest. Nothing special here, just more F2P game mechanics designed as a time/silver sink. You want to actually make something good? Pay the developers money irl. P2W garbage. BDO NA/EU release might be slightly better, but not by much.

PvP:

AA: Areas with laws, areas with none. Adjudication of griefing done by players. Result? Absolute corruption and ineffectiveness. You'd have better luck finding justice as a Jew in nazi germany. P2W mechanics and a toxic playerbase full of RPK players makes this game a terrible place to play. If you want to have an entirely frustrating and pointless experience, AA pvp is for you.

BDO: Player base full of toxic RPK players, but a penalty mechanic that is equally as bad. BDO CBT2 is said to introduce a new penalty mechanic, but will it be enough to encourage legitimate pvp while discouraging RPK griefing? Only time will tell. There is no incentive to battle 1 vs 1, so there is very little 1v1 pvp going on outside of RPK.

GvG:

AA and BDO: Standard fare, nothing special.

Naval combat:

AA: pretty impressive, probably the better part of the hame

BDO: Work in Progress

Mass Melee:

AA and BDO: Both games feature large scale group combat for control of areas and strategic buildings. Game mechanics are different only in styl. The distinguishing factor is the combat system in which BDO is superior in every respect.

Graphics:

BDO wins.

Questing:

AA: P2W garbage and a waste of time

BDO: Much if it is useful, but it is not integrated in a real form into the game mechanics of player progression. Half finished system with potential.

Mob AI, Bosses:

AA and BDO: Korean games are not known for their technical competence in this area. No surprises here when this factor does not generate any wow or admiration from gamers. Pointless time sink for loot and exp, entirely without challenge or entertainment value.

Random minigames, player housing, etc:

Both are pretty good. BDO is slightly superior overall, but the differences are a matter of personal taste.

End statement?

BDO wins.

AA is inferior in most respects and has the additional shortcoming of being P2W garbage.

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To be honest, the biggest problem I had with archeage was the player collisions, where people would block roads so you couldn't trade. I remember hundreds of carts(that were now easy to get because they were put on the cash shop in the form of trees) blocking hellswamp every single time it went into peace. It was dreadful.

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