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FAQ - The New World

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Yes, it's not like server merge is anything new. It was on BDOFoundry before the game launched. Anyone who do research about the game should know this will happen. It was not the matter of "if", it's always been the matter of "when". If you deny this would happen, then you were delusional. If you knew this would happen and not prepare, then you were lazy. In any case the people who prepared deserved their fair share of the free loots. You just did receive yours because you refused to receive yours. People who didn't prepare only have themselves to blame.

Stop arguing that it's delusional or lazy. Some people didn't prepare themselves because they saw it as exploitative. Not everyone is like you.

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It's not exploitative because you say so. The devs and publisher (who have the final authority of all definition of the game) have said it is not an exploit, therefore it is not an exploit.

And I am not arguing it's delusional or lazy it is a fact. You do not have the authority to command me to stop arguing anything.

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Yes, it's not like server merge is anything new. It was on BDOFoundry before the game launched. Anyone who do research about the game should know this will happen. It was not the matter of "if", it's always been the matter of "when". If you deny this would happen, then you were delusional. If you knew this would happen and not prepare, then you were lazy. In any case the people who prepared deserved their fair share of the free loots. You just did receive yours because you refused to receive yours. People who didn't prepare only have themselves to blame.

Nicely said.  I didn't prepare.  Knew it was a matter of time on the "when" not "if" it would happen.  

Stop arguing that it's delusional or lazy. Some people didn't prepare themselves because they saw it as exploitative. Not everyone is like you.

GM_Dew already addressed this.  Not an exploit.  Working as intended.  It is in this thread.

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Stop arguing that it's delusional or lazy. Some people didn't prepare themselves because they saw it as exploitative. Not everyone is like you.

You again? Yes U were lazy. You don't have the rewards so now you don't think others should get them. BTW i looked your guild up. No nodes this week either. Let me guess you guys already had money in your guild bank so you chose not to take a node because it wouldn't be fair? Lol i see your problem. You are trying so hard to make others suffer because you cannot win at anything. Life lesson in the real world when people are smarter than you they tend to succeed to higher levels of success. In the video game world it works as well.

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lol all i did was typing "blackdesert server merge" on google and this was one of the first things that came up back in april. I was like "oh sh!t" and prepared back then :D

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lol all i did was typing "blackdesert server merge" on google and this was one of the first things that came up back in april. I was like "oh sh!t" and prepared back then :D

LOL he is mad he didn't do it. Besides his petition can't even drum up 100 signatures. So salty yet has himself to blame.

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LOL he is mad he didn't do it. Besides his petition can't even drum up 100 signatures. So salty yet has himself to blame.

That's because we know from the "anti cash-shop auction house petition" that it doesn't change anything to make a petition. So people are not even trying.

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Look, I'm not totally thrilled that I missed out on this either. These two things are not comparable. One was a bug, the other was working as intended, and had "unforeseen for some" consequences for when the servers merged. 

You may feel that it is as unfair as the shovel exploit, but outside of that the two aren't relatable.

This is not an exploit, people will not get banned for this, even if they address it in some type of manner, exploits result in bans. They knew this was eventually going to happen, and they did nothing to stop it on their end. The shovel exploit was something they had no clue about that circumvented an actual in-game mechanic. 

I'm sure I could go into my detail till my fingers turned into to bloody nubs, but this is not an exploit and your view is biased, you feel like you have been taken advantage of by the players who knew this was going to happen and the advantage is unfair. That I can't argue with you, but for the last time, if this affects you in any way shape or form you really can't have an unbiased opinion.

I never once stated this was a exploit, I never said people should get banned for it. I simply used it as a comparison to prove the fact that it's manipulation of game mechanics for unintended results. People manipulating in game mechanics for unintended results isn't something that should be rewarded. This is a very slippery slope we're talking about here. 

Also you mention that they had no clue about the circumvention of actual in-game mechanics. What does it matter if the company knew or not? It still a manipulation of intended in game mechanics for unintended results. Kakao(Daum) also did attempt to prevent people from picking up rewards from multiple servers but it had bugs and wasn't allowing people to pickup one at all. Clearly they didn't want people doing this. So if the company didn't want people to do this how would this be something that they should now reward people for doing?

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Nobody seems to give a crap about new players. If you hand everyone a free 400mil worth of crap NOBODY is going to pick up this game. AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, new players have ZERO incentive to play this game.

Handing out tons of welfare is really killing the game more than helping it. Only new players should be given access to "welfare" like this not tryhards who just want to suck the life out of the game and take all the resources to PWN N00BZ! freaking idiots. I also laugh at the idea that people think that logging into an alt one time a day and clicking a few buttons is "hard work" and they are somehow entitled to all this free crap.

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5. The amount of lag and player density at world bosses should remain roughly the same. I am well aware of the fact that many players hop channels to profit from multiple boss fights each time one spawns, however with the channel switch cooldown, they can realistically only switch channels once before all the bosses are dead. So it actually remains about the same as it currently is. Therefor the boss drop chances won't be changed either.

While this is true, you should have in consideration that almost everyone will jump to the same channel, the last one or last ones where the boss has still 50% health or more, so the amount of characters in the same place will be higher than before. Also, if we keep only two channels for horse racing, the same people who used to do races will be crowded in those two. 

Right now, I keep thinking that the solution would be allowing  to get boss loot only once per day per account and adding more horse race channels (velia 1-6) to distribute the same amount of people than we have now. 

Thank you for taking time in answering everything, communication is always appreciated. 

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I never once stated this was a exploit, I never said people should get banned for it. I simply used it as a comparison to prove the fact that it's manipulation of game mechanics for unintended results. People manipulating in game mechanics for unintended results isn't something that should be rewarded. This is a very slippery slope we're talking about here. 

Also you mention that they had no clue about the circumvention of actual in-game mechanics. What does it matter if the company knew or not? It still a manipulation of intended in game mechanics for unintended results. Kakao(Daum) also did attempt to prevent people from picking up rewards from multiple servers but it had bugs and wasn't allowing people to pickup one at all. Clearly they didn't want people doing this. So if the company didn't want people to do this how would this be something that they should now reward people for doing?

If they clearly didn't want people doing this, you would think that they would have thought this server merger through and addressed this issue from the start. Instead of waiting for the pitch forks and torch wielders to kick up dust about it. 

I'm guessing you misunderstood what I said. You're comparing an exploit which takes advantage of broken game-play to someone who is benefiting from utilizing the system the way it was designed in an unfair manner. 

What does it matter if they knew or not? It certainly matters when it comes to having the legs to support your argument, you're comparing this to an exploit in how the software was programmed, that went unnoticed and was heavily abused. As opposed to a system that worked the way they intended to and / or didn't care enough that it was broken and they obviously knew it.

Are you telling me that they didn't know about this and just so happened to figure it out when the server merger was announced? 

You compared this directly to a scenario where players benefited from an exploit. That was the whole substance of your argument. This is not an exploit, at least not in the way that their TOS would cover. Are they gaining an unfair advantage from this? Yes they are.

Will they do something about this? Probably, but only time will tell us what that is.

If they knew about it and didn't want people doing this, why all of a sudden are they "taking" feedback from players only after it created a whirlwind of upset posts from players?

Remember what else recieved a feedback thread? The Value Pack. Did it result in any changes? No. Is it entirely fair? I don't mind it, I actually like it, but no, it isn't.

Your shifted argument of this being something they "clearly" didn't want is silly. Just as it was to compare it to an exploit, where the offenders made their acquaintance with the ban hammer. When this company doesn't want something done, they take action to make it so, they didn't ask for feedback over the exploit you mentioned. The only thing that is clear is that they don't know what to do about this, didn't intend to do something about it originally and are at the mercy of the developers back in KR in regards to how this issue will be handled.

I said before, you have a bias view of the situation that creates an unfair advantage for those who partook in it (maybe you keep missing that I'm not arguing this point and I am agreeing with you). It consists of exaggerated comparisons that may sound smart and rile up the same type of anger in you, but they aren't even remotely the same type of issue.

Simply stating that this is unfair and why, is sufficient enough of an argument to hope that something is done about this before the server merge.

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Nobody seems to give a crap about new players. If you hand everyone a free 400mil worth of crap NOBODY is going to pick up this game. AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, new players have ZERO incentive to play this game.

Handing out tons of welfare is really killing the game more than helping it. Only new players should be given access to "welfare" like this not tryhards who just want to suck the life out of the game and take all the resources to PWN N00BZ! freaking idiots. I also laugh at the idea that people think that logging into an alt one time a day and clicking a few buttons is "hard work" and they are somehow entitled to all this free crap.

After reading it wean tell you are insulting, immoral AND illogical. Thanks for sharing.

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If they clearly didn't want people doing this, you would think that they would have thought this server merger through and addressed this issue from the start. Instead of waiting for the pitch forks and torch wielders to kick up dust about it. 

I'm guessing you misunderstood what I said. You're comparing an exploit which takes advantage of broken game-play to someone who is benefiting from utilizing the system the way it was designed in an unfair manner. 

What does it matter if they knew or not? It certainly matters when it comes to having the legs to support your argument, you're comparing this to an exploit in how the software was programmed, that went unnoticed and was heavily abused. As opposed to a system that worked the way they intended to and / or didn't care enough that it was broken and they obviously knew it.

Are you telling me that they didn't know about this and just so happened to figure it out when the server merger was announced? 

You compared this directly to a scenario where players benefited from an exploit. That was the whole substance of your argument. This is not an exploit, at least not in the way that their TOS would cover. Are they gaining an unfair advantage from this? Yes they are.

Will they do something about this? Probably, but only time will tell us what that is.

If they knew about it and didn't want people doing this, why all of a sudden are they "taking" feedback from players only after it created a whirlwind of upset posts from players?

Remember what else recieved a feedback thread? The Value Pack. Did it result in any changes? No. Is it entirely fair? I don't mind it, I actually like it, but no, it isn't.

Your shifted argument of this being something they "clearly" didn't want is silly. Just as it was to compare it to an exploit, where the offenders made their acquaintance with the ban hammer. When this company doesn't want something done, they take action to make it so, they didn't ask for feedback over the exploit you mentioned. The only thing that is clear is that they don't know what to do about this, didn't intend to do something about it originally and are at the mercy of the developers back in KR in regards to how this issue will be handled.

I said before, you have a bias view of the situation that creates an unfair advantage for those who partook in it (maybe you keep missing that I'm not arguing this point and I am agreeing with you). It consists of exaggerated comparisons that may sound smart and rile up the same type of anger in you, but they aren't even remotely the same type of issue.

Simply stating that this is unfair and why, is sufficient enough of an argument to hope that something is done about this before the server merge.

So you made a giant wall of text to really not say anything.

What does the value pack have to do with this situation? Its completely different and it has no bearing upon this situation. At least the shoveling had some bearing upon this situation as it allowed a group of people to make huge gains for minimal to zero effort. 

I didn't 'shift' my argument at all. I simply added a point that Kakao didn't want people doing this because they attempted to add a fix to prevent it and it didn't work out well. That isn't a shift that's simply providing more evidence to back up that this isn't intended use of game mechanics.

Also with your last line about stating its unfair and why. I did that, I provided evidence as to why it would be unfair because similar actions have already happened. I was simply using digging as a point to show that minimal effort huge gains aren't something the company wants.

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Not to detract from the fighting, but I'm still curious about how they're going to handle bound pearl outfits and perks on characters that exist beyond the first 12 on the new server.

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Not to detract from the fighting, but I'm still curious about how they're going to handle bound pearl outfits and perks on characters that exist beyond the first 12 on the new server.

Who knows but this just brings up further questions as to why they're not prepared. They obviously knew server mergers were coming since the beginning and they've not really done anything to plan out for these situations. It really frustrating as a player honestly.

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Not to detract from the fighting, but I'm still curious about how they're going to handle bound pearl outfits and perks on characters that exist beyond the first 12 on the new server.

They said they'd answer that on Monday since the specialists on those matters with the power to manage the policy on this work on office hours only.

Let's wait and hope they come with something good.

That being said I don't know about US but EU has laws against withdrawing a good or service regularly paid for without a valid reason. I don't see a big company making that mistake

I'd rather pay more to keep them than be compensated tbh. I like my characters. But I don't think they can just increase the slot number easily. the ideal would be proposing a suplementary character slot pack with a special price to everyone (so no one says it's unfair) but I don't think they can make that fast enough for the merge.

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They said they'd answer that on Monday since the specialists on those matters with the power to manage the policy on this work on office hours only.

Let's wait and hope they come with something good.

That being said I don't know about US but EU has laws against withdrawing a good or service regularly paid for without a valid reason. I don't see a big company making that mistake

I'd rather pay more to keep them than be compensated tbh. I like my characters. But I don't think they can just increase the slot number easily. the ideal would be proposing a suplementary character slot pack with a special price to everyone (so no one says it's unfair) but I don't think they can make that fast enough for the merge.

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Thanks for the update - wait and see seems to be the order of the day. :(

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I hope thy leave it be, its peoples efforts at the end of the day and other servers had the same, it would be unfair for our region(s) if we do not get our earned items.

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So you made a giant wall of text to really not say anything.

What does the value pack have to do with this situation? Its completely different and it has no bearing upon this situation. At least the shoveling had some bearing upon this situation as it allowed a group of people to make huge gains for minimal to zero effort. 

I didn't 'shift' my argument at all. I simply added a point that Kakao didn't want people doing this because they attempted to add a fix to prevent it and it didn't work out well. That isn't a shift that's simply providing more evidence to back up that this isn't intended use of game mechanics.

Also with your last line about stating its unfair and why. I did that, I provided evidence as to why it would be unfair because similar actions have already happened. I was simply using digging as a point to show that minimal effort huge gains aren't something the company wants.

Ok, so you can't understand comparisons in the situation of a feedback thread for the Value Pack not resulting in any changes, but you can make the stretch to compare an exploit that broke the ToS to this...

You claim I made a wall of text saying nothing and yet you follow up with a reply to each point in it. 

You must not have been around or don't remember the Value Pack fiasco and it's official feedback thread that resulted in silence and no changes. Otherwise you'd understand how it relates to this.

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We have posted our current stance on the matter. We are gathering your feedback but will refrain from making opinionated posts.

@GM_Dew I didnt ask for an opinionated post on the matter, just a response to our concerns, an opinionated post I'm sure you'll agree would serve no true purpose in the pursuit of giving factual information. A acknowledgement however brief is always better than nothing.

Please could you me to this post where you have posted your stance on the matter please.

Many Thanks in advance

 

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I wouldn't mind if they gave me two extra accounts, one for each server I have characters on. Now think about this for a minute do you really believe that PA or Kaoko or whoever is getting the 9.99, 29.99 or 49.99 from the web page to buy a copy of the game is going to give up that pay day, no matter how small it is?come on you know better than that.

Do I?
This is very short sighted.

Take the example of the guy who is about to lose 18 characters equipped with pearl costumes : he's gonna get his pearls refund at best on one account. Do you really think that he'll gonna buy these 2 extra accounts without his 18 levelled characters on them? And without the ability to use the refunded pearl on them either?
Instead he will more likely use his year pool of refunded pearls and not spend anymore on the game after the cold shower.

But who knows...


 

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The only thing I really care about the rewards are the 4 extra penguins from the events, of course because they are exclusive and can't be earned outside the events. So just do the simplier and elegant solution, don't change the merge, just give every one the same things, the developers already have an algoritmin for that. They can detected which one of us got the bugged kamasylve, boss armor box, etc. just roll it before the merge and give everything ppl earned in one server and didn't earned on another. Most of the end game players already have full boss armor TRI+ with some spares and needs 1.7bi or more for any upgrade in equipment. It will help newer players catch up.

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Frankly I only care so much about this, but there is definitely something wrong with the degree of "outside research" one can benefit from in BDO compared with other MMOs.  I get that the game is competitive and all, but I've never before seen this level of weird inside secrets that a sub-set of the community benefits from due to keeping up with the other places the game runs.  One of my buddies told me this is a common issue in KE ports (noting ArcheAge) but it definitely doesn't have to be.  When this sort of information is known in advance it would be cool if at least it was noted here on the forum from the start rather than passing through word of mouth etc.

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