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All I am saying, now for the third time, is that this is something they were asked about repeatedly right here in the official forum and they said NOTHING. The ONLY thing that is concerning to me as the shock of the announcement and all it entails passes, is that we get far more reliable info from some unofficial forum than from the forum that should supposedly be the "horse's mouth".

maybe they didn't know either.
but fact is that we all had access to the same information overall. There is no injustice here.

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maybe they didn't know either.but fact is that we all had access to the same information overall. There is no injustice here.

Sure there is. They never intended one main character to get 3x's the loyalty points, compensation for down time, and boss armor boxes. So letting it happen now is just stupidity. It would be easy to just compensate players with say 10million gold per server for non main character on different server with less then 10 days played. This is more then generous for the amount of time spent logging in for 30 seconds a day. And this prevents what they never intended in the first place. 

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like it would be hard to block it codewise if they "never intended it". Maybe read the first post, the GM one.
And they would have learned from their "mistake" on KR if they wanted to avoid this in the first place, and those who took the bet would be on the loosing end. Cool beans.

Besides, you can as well have very little playtime on one only server and get all this stuff for "no effort". What's your solution then? integral account wipe?

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maybe they didn't know either.but fact is that we all had access to the same information overall. There is no injustice here.

Perhaps ypu are right, and those relying on official sources should be fine with the way this was handled. But I don't believe you are right, and I think if you weren't obviously someone who stands to gain a great deal from this I'm pretty sure you'd actually agree that Kakap could have and should have confirmed this merge the first chance they got. And don't try telling me they didn't know. I'm not buying that for a second.

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lol what i'm gonna gain. I used the blessings to make room in my bags if you need an idea of the shit I give about "exploiting".
I'm happy about the penguins, but after merging them i'll probably loose the fishing bonus and stay at 3rd tier. Ok i got more red nose armors than you whoo hoo. And loyalties to refund the character slots i bought to have characters to delete now.

Oh and all of these 5 boxes of GM rng for 5 extra black stones. glad that we will share all of these and you greedy sorry ass will be able to capitalize on cheap stuff on the market for the rainy days. Don't tell nobody told you to do so. Personally i wont do it because I get no fun out of that kind of stuff. And it's a game, fun first.

 

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lol what i'm gonna gain. I used the blessings to make room in my bags if you need an idea of the shit I give about "exploiting".
I'm happy about the penguins, but after merging them i'll probably loose the fishing bonus and stay at 3rd tier. Ok i got more red nose armors than you whoo hoo. And loyalties to refund the character slots i bought to have characters to delete now.

Oh and all of these 5 boxes of GM rng for 5 extra black stones. glad that we will share all of these and you greedy sorry ass will be able to capitalize on cheap stuff on the market for the rainy days. Don't tell nobody told you to do so. Personally i wont do it because I get no fun out of that kind of stuff. And it's a game, fun first.

 

You keep telling me about you aren't taking advantage and how I shouldn't care etc. Guilty much?? I'm talking about the drama they could have saved themselves through better communication and you're defending your multi server playstyle. We ain't even on the same page here are we?

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ffs 10 times already i told that i'd rather each server chars on separated accounts. tired of repeating myself.

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ffs 10 times already i told that i'd rather each server chars on separated accounts. tired of repeating myself.

You and me both ;)

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I know a merge would happen eventually but I didn't except it to be this soon. I never created alts on the other servers because I thought a merge would come after the game is dead anyway and I would have left a dead game already. Of course, I'm lazy too..

Kakao KR has been throwing tons of freebies at KR since the game is in its milking phase there. Don't know why were are having the events here. They never had these kind of issues because;

  1. There were no freebies like this prior to merges in KR/JP.
  2. Players had no prior information before the merge.

Event and loyalties should have been one time claimable per family. As of now, it's not fair at all. Lazy programming on PA's part and Kakao knew a merge would eventually come but they are handling it as bad as I would have thought.

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maybe they didn't know either.

If we take the solution where thoses guys never know jack sh#t ( like they always like to "suggest" to avoid any single responsability toward their community ) because PA - daum kr rules them from A to Z, its still doesnt change that if they wanted to be totaly honest we us / do their job and manage their player base ( and considering the follow kr path for the most part ) they could have "warned" us about that.

Sure someone could say the players should have "knew" that because kr have merged server since a while now, but still, that's their job ( they are PAID for that after all ) to manage the western market

 

What's your solution then?

If they really want to be as fair as possible, beside indeed the solution to give to thoses players separated account, they could, at least send event reward & loyalty from a period starting from the player account activation date to the 9th nov 2016 X time, where X = 3 (servers) - "different server your account characters are in"

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Since creating characters on different servers has never been an exploit in any kind and was available to everyone, we will not consider getting those rewards as an exploit.

 

We understand that some players may gain from this, but everyone had an equal chance to obtain them. We will therefore not compensate the players who did not participate on multiple servers.

Best regards,
GM Dew

Dew, everyone had a chance to get shards with digging exploit, since everyone could dig. Everyone could use the 300% fishing/trade skill exp rate, even though it was a bug. See this? This are past examples of exploits. Even if you aren't calling it an exploit, getting to keep 3 times rewards for "Claim 1 time" rewards IS exploiting. That's why the 1 is there. To indicate the amount of the item you will be able to get. 

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Exactly, i created a character on croxus too now, but i deleted her, cause its stupid and unfair. I hate people who use all possible tricks/exploids to become good.

I wonder how they think. I would get an unhealthy feeling in my mind, if i would use all the tricks.

Exploiting the server merge in my opinion is the same as going with 5 friends in the casino and counting cards to scamm the house.

Sorry but thats a nogo for me.

The most frustrating thing for me is, that people who exploit server merge, has the valencia 7 ap ring more then 3 times. Quest rewards that get duped cause of it.

 

if they have the Valencia rings then they have high level characters on all 3 servers enough to handle valencia mobs. They deserve them for the effort put in.

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Exactly, i created a character on croxus too now, but i deleted her, cause its stupid and unfair. I hate people who use all possible tricks/exploids to become good.

i hate them too, but daum/pa doesnt, they clearly stated its not an exploit. By definition everything that is not considered an exploit must have been intended by the devs, which means they WANT you to create alts on other servers an claim their shit, its how they intended you to play the game.

by the way, just by simply creating new alts on the other servers and play them for a few minutes, i already received 2 pages of ingame-mails with downtime compensations, gm boxes ect, including 2x 7 day value packs, even tho i never played on those servers, its just hilarious how intended this is.

Exploiting, sorry ... USING this method for the last 20 days is kinda the only way now if you havent already, unless you dont care about falling behind even more and giving up 4k free loyalties and ~70 additional lauren boxes as well as all the black spirit adventure rewards ect.

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Please be honest. Did you intend for one character to get 3 x's the loyalty points, 3x's server stability compensation, 3x's the number of event boss armor boxes, etc? 

Yes, because this is exactly the way they did it in Korea. 

You'd think, if they didn't want this outcome, they'd have changed the way they conducted the server merge here compared with what was done in Korea. As they've already conducted merges there (and Japan), using this method, you must conclude that this is intentional.

Whether you like it or not is another matter, but it is undeniably the intendend outcome.

by the way, just by simply creating new alts on the other servers and play them for a few minutes, i already received 2 pages of ingame-mails with downtime compensations, gm boxes ect, including 2x 7 day value packs, even tho i never played on those servers, its just hilarious how intended this is.

oooh shit... really? looks like it really is time to join alt server craze.

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Okay just to put this thing into perspective.

  • 3k loyalties per month
  • 2x  30daily login rewards (boss armor box, penguin, glasses etc)
  • Sharps and Hards for 1 loyalty
  • Beers for 1 loyalty
  • Additional 2x lvl 55 and beforehand rewards (+- 200milion)
  • other stuff and i already forgot about

If someone did it i expect 1 bil or above money for using this mechanic.

they still had to log a d waste time for this to manage all and potentially leveling there.  The board game and the boss armor wvent are a bit meh but hey I did post 2 months ago what the rules of the merge would be so people can prepare and people called me tin foil hat.... well at least a tin foil hat with an extra boss set and a few hundred million

i hate them too, but daum/pa doesnt, they clearly stated its not an exploit. By definition everything that is not considered an exploit must have been intended by the devs, which means they WANT you to create alts on other servers an claim their shit, its how they intended you to play the game.

by the way, just by simply creating new alts on the other servers and play them for a few minutes, i already received 2 pages of ingame-mails with downtime compensations, gm boxes ect, including 2x 7 day value packs, even tho i never played on those servers, its just hilarious how intended this is.

Exploiting, sorry ... USING this method for the last 20 days is kinda the only way now if you havent already, unless you dont care about falling behind even more and giving up 4k free loyalties and ~70 additional lauren boxes as well as all the black spirit adventure rewards ect.

I think they missed an opportunity to add advertisement space on the loading screens when you swap between servers and characters for energy spend or to claim stuff. Sigh the loadinf screens in an instanced game may actually be less these days

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Come on. People jsut logged on other servers for rewards from the Events. 
From my point that is hard unfair and exploiting. 
Sure they should get all items they farmed on the servers, but event rewrads should be unique. 

You really have no clue what constitutes an exploit.

Kakao are already stating in their FAQ it is not an exploit.

You have not done so, that you now feel butthurt is not everyone else's problem.

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Hello everyone!

First, I would like to say that merging all the servers has its pros and cons and I am not going to focus on that. I would like to focus on the way that it is going to happen because I find it unfair. For the record, I play since the launch of the game and I wasn't aware of the KR merge and how it was handled. I have played for a while on a different server than my main one, but overall I don't have any event rewards on the second server.

Below are some quotes that will help me make my point and explain why I find unfair the way the merge is planned to happen:

 
 
 

The shovel exploit does not seem to involve any third-party-software. It looks like exploiting the game-mechanics in order to use energy to gather only Black Crystal Shards.

E.g. First game mechanic: Not being able to get more items of different type than the ones that are currently in your inventory when your inventory is full.

Second game mechanic: Not using energy when the gathering (with a shovel) isn't successful.

Each mechanic itself seems like a normal mechanic of the game and working as intended, but I hope you agree that the combination of those two mechanics in order to only get Black Crystals when using energy while gathering is an exploit.

In this situation - the merging of the servers - we have different mechanics of the game:

First game mechanic: The existence of multiple servers.

Second game mechanic: Being able to log into a different server and create multiple characters (up to the limit of the server slots).

Third game mechanic: Maximum item amount for some items per server (e.g. 100 Loyalties per day -> ~25300 Loyalties up to this day (not including the Loyatlies gained from 7-day achievement etc), 2 pet Hawks from the events, 2 pet Penguins from the events, etc)

Fourth game mechanic: Maximum in-game resources for some resources per server (e.g. Contribution points - I have no idea what's the limit, but there is one since contribution points can only be gained through quests and there isn't an infinite amount of quests, Combat points gained by achievements, etc)

I understand and that players who played on multiple different servers should not lose any items or progress they have achieved, thus you are merging the warehouses, pearls, loyalties, pets, etc. but it is unfair and gives a great disadvantage to the players that have played on only one server to compete against the first ones.

I would suggest to either apply the maximum amount limits per server to the new server e.g. if a player has got 17000 Loyalties on one server, 20000 Loyalties on another and 0 on the third server, limit the amount of the Loyalties on the new server to 25300 Loyalties or whatever the limit is. Same with the event items and pets, e.g. if someone got 2 Hawks, 1 Penguin on the first server, 2 Hawks, 2 Penguins on the second server and 2 Penguins on the third server, limit the pets to 2 Hawks, 2 Penguins on the new server.

Either give the players and only those that played on only 1 server (and didn't exploit the combination of the mechanics of the game) the ability to get the items they missed out - a catch-up mechanic e.g. Give them 300 Loyalties per day for the next 90 days, make an attendance-event only for them that will reward them extra pets.

@CM_Dew What's your opinion about this?

 

 

@CM_Dew I would also like to know your opinion on this. Well written Asixel.
The server merge is good, the potential gear balance shift is bad :)

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New world...fancy way of saying...servers are dead/dying and we need a way to make you feel like its not. Just coming back to see the game die.

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Sooooo... According to some of you people who log in just for the login rewards shouldn't get any?

 

I got a new job that wrecks havoc on my gaming time so I log in, get my reward and log out because I just don't have the time to play right now so when I do return I got some goodies to help me out. I don't deserve it? Who are you to determine the value of my time period. Last time I checked you did not buy the game for me nor did you spend money for pearls to get anything for me from the cash shop. You have NO right to say me logging in for 1 min is less valid, only I can determine if that is the case or not.

 

Let's be straight up. No one cheated. No one exploited. This is NOTHING like the shovel thing. You are NOT supposed to be able to gather anything when your bags are full. Some of people used bots to keep themselves alive healing themselves and stuff. This was a legitimate feature. Think about it. Why were some rewards server based and others account based (and to that person who said people got 4 extra 30 day value pack is talking a load of nonsense, that reward was claimed on the website and mailed to the server of your choice so you only got the 2).

 

Someone else got something you didn't. So what! I can't play a lot and there are people who play an insane amount of time. They afk fish and I don't, I could of does that mean it's unfair to them that they did and I did not? No. What about those people who grind combat XP and farm cash on their time while others work on life skills. Is it unfair that one group got more game character levels due to them grinding combat XP instead of life skills xp? No, that's how the game was designed. The problem I'm seeing is some people ignored those who suggested they do this believing the mega servers were not going to happen and is now upset. Not the GMs fault and in all games that do a server merge of some kind you get to keep ALL your stuff on all the servers.

 

You all are complaining that the GMs did not tell you earlier, well they didn't watch you and say "Hey guess what on the next maintenance we're going mega servers." They gave you 3 weeks heads up and know what the reward bundle for this event is wicked! Create a character or 2 and get 3 weeks of extra bundles that's what I'm gonna do. I am saddened by what gammers have turned into today. They don't want to invest into a game, at the first sign of something not going their way they start chanting the game is dying song and attempts to convince others to jump ship with them. As the old folks say "This is why we can't have nice things."

 

TLDR: You have 3 weeks to get extras of a damn awesome box before the merger.

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Honest question for anyone who made characters on other servers -

Did you do anything with them other than just login for rewards? Did you actually play them? What is the point to playing characters on other servers? The GM says "Playing characters on other servers is intended". Intended for what though? This isn't a game with factions where you can play a different team on a different server. It's the exact same game on different servers so why would you grind/level alts on different servers instead of just sticking to one?

If people didn't actually play the characters and just used them as "reward generators" because of their knowledge of the Korean version then while it isn't an exploit (since it is perfectly allowed to make characters on multiple servers), it is an in game advantage for knowing the Korean version of the game. It's a little unfair, but not an exploit.

I'll get over it.

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Honestly also the people who cared that much about the game to follow everything in the Korean version, expect the server merge, then log in daily for rewards on every server are far more dedicated than me to the game in the first place. Even without the merge bonuses, these people likely already have far more money than I will ever obtain, and far better gear. It makes the gap wider, but the gap is already sufficiently wide enough to make my interaction with them meaningless. Even without the merge competitive PVP is shit in this game because of the gear-dependency. It doesn't really change anything.

true story.

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true story.

Yup pvp is shit anyway in this gear wins game. I guess i dont give 2 craps if you let them bring billions onto their mains account. So over this shitty game. No real pvp'er would touch this game. Crowfall cant get here soon enough. 

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Yup pvp is shit anyway in this gear wins game. I guess i dont give 2 craps if you let them bring billions onto their mains account. So over this shitty game. No real pvp'er would touch this game. Crowfall cant get here soon enough. 

Crowfall? I can't tell if you're trolling or not, but surely you must be joking. 

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Sad really my gametime was limited but now I just swotch between servers to stack boxes and care after my boss gear. It is just poor mechanic shouldnt of been that way. Way to go for a not instanced game where 30% of my gametime are loading screens between chars and servers.

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I'm not sure that sitting idle on the other servers for 5 hours for the box is worth it, but I see lots of people doing it. But seems like a waste of time to me.

I think logging in for loyalty and BS dice game is enough. 

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