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Kzarka or Dandelion weapon?

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Trying to pick between the two. I'm a Valkyrie specifically. Any insight would be appreciated

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Well.....  1 is Mainhand and the other is Awakening.... so ideally..... both. ^_^

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Why make a second thread?  

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Why make a second thread?  

Sorry?

 

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Why make a second thread?  

Maybe because the first one didn't resolve the dilemma and the question it asked isn't relevant any longer? Just a guess. ;)

 

Trying to pick between the two. I'm a Valkyrie specifically. Any insight would be appreciated

Kzarka for PvP, Dandelion for PvE, Kzarka if both are important. It's basically Accuracy vs AP; Awakening weapons have 0 Acc of their own, instead having your main-hand's Acc applied to them too. Kzarka has a 10-Acc advantage over Liverto and Acc is huge in PvP, and the Ultimate version of the blue awakening weapon also has human damage that surpasses Dandelion's raw AP advantage so against humans (which includes all players even though Rangers are elves and Berserkers are giants) that's the superior combination in every regard. But against mobs (which require little Acc comparatively) that are not human (many of the best mobs to farm these days), Dandelion's raw AP is a bit better. However, you're not going to gimp yourself in PvE using Kzarka/Blue, so if you care about both then go with that.

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Kzarka for PvP, Dandelion for PvE, Kzarka if both are important. It's basically Accuracy vs AP; Awakening weapons have 0 Acc of their own, instead having your main-hand's Acc applied to them too. Kzarka has a 10-Acc advantage over Liverto and Acc is huge in PvP, and the Ultimate version of the blue awakening weapon also has human damage that surpasses Dandelion's raw AP advantage so against humans (which includes all players even though Rangers are elves and Berserkers are giants) that's the superior combination in every regard. But against mobs (which require little Acc comparatively) that are not human (many of the best mobs to farm these days), Dandelion's raw AP is a bit better. However, you're not going to gimp yourself in PvE using Kzarka/Blue, so if you care about both then go with that.

Except even upgraded to gold, dandelion still beats the blue weapon in terms of damage.

Get both if you can, if not, dande first as it's rarer, then zaka.  If you don't care about pvp, then blue awakening.

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Except even upgraded to gold, dandelion still beats the blue weapon in terms of damage.

Get both if you can, if not, dande first as it's rarer, then zaka.  If you don't care about pvp, then blue awakening.

In terms of AP, but not in terms of damage.

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dande > kzarka

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Obviously Dandy

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In terms of AP, but not in terms of damage.

Well in terms of dmg as well. 

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dande > all

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In terms of AP, but not in terms of damage.

Dandelion does more damage than ultimate blue even with human damage. Human damage does not scale with skills % damage, AP does. 

 

This is why everyone gets dande. 

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Definitly both!

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*cough* hidden stats in dandy *cough*

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In terms of AP, but not in terms of damage.

No, in terms of damage.  Human damage doesn't cover the AP lost from dande.

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Maybe because the first one didn't resolve the dilemma and the question it asked isn't relevant any longer? Just a guess. ;)

 

Kzarka for PvP, Dandelion for PvE, Kzarka if both are important. It's basically Accuracy vs AP; Awakening weapons have 0 Acc of their own, instead having your main-hand's Acc applied to them too. Kzarka has a 10-Acc advantage over Liverto and Acc is huge in PvP, and the Ultimate version of the blue awakening weapon also has human damage that surpasses Dandelion's raw AP advantage so against humans (which includes all players even though Rangers are elves and Berserkers are giants) that's the superior combination in every regard. But against mobs (which require little Acc comparatively) that are not human (many of the best mobs to farm these days), Dandelion's raw AP is a bit better. However, you're not going to gimp yourself in PvE using Kzarka/Blue, so if you care about both then go with that.

Yeah that is why I made another thread. I hope I went about it correctly :o 

Very good insight, especially the conversation you sparked haha. Thank you !

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Thats like saying yuria is better than kzarka or liverto tbh.
#baresmasterrace

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Dandelion does more damage than ultimate blue even with human damage. Human damage does not scale with skills % damage, AP does. 

 

This is why everyone gets dande. 

Yes it does. The myth that species damage is a flat addition has been disproven for a long time now: http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/72089-ap-vs-human-damage-tests-updated-02052016/

 

Thats like saying yuria is better than kzarka or liverto tbh.
#baresmasterrace

Yuria would be better in PvP if Liverto and Kzarka didn't have shitloads more Acc. Awakening weapons don't have Acc.

 

*cough* hidden stats in dandy *cough*

^This right here, that's the only thing that would make it better in PvP. It's not at all unlikely either, but I haven't seen any testing on it so it's hard to give advice based on such an unknown; "it feels like it hits harder" isn't helpful when that depends on a lot of variables.

Either way, even if Blue had 0 Human Damage Kzarka + Blue would still be better for PvP than Liverto + Dande, unless you're stacking Acc everywhere except your main-hand.

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Considering mainhand is for buffs, utility and occasional combo at higher levels(maybe also grab?), while awakening stands for most your dmg'ing abilities, the choice seems simple.

Mainhand does buff awakening to a certain degree, but if you only get to pick one, I'd say Dandelion. You will be on awakening weapon grinding or PvP'ing a lot more than using old mediocre basic abilities with Kzarka. Maybe not at level 56, but once you unlock higher tier flows and dmg multiples, than Kzarka becomes a secondary weapon.

 

 

 

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Considering mainhand is for buffs, utility and occasional combo at higher levels(maybe also grab?), while awakening stands for most your dmg'ing abilities, the choice seems simple.

Mainhand does buff awakening to a certain degree, but if you only get to pick one, I'd say Dandelion. You will be on awakening weapon grinding or PvP'ing a lot more than using old mediocre basic abilities with Kzarka. Maybe not at level 56, but once you unlock higher tier flows and dmg multiples, than Kzarka becomes a secondary weapon.

You...don't seem to know how awakening weapons work. They take 100% of the Accuracy, Species Damage, and other secondary stats from your main-hand, and 50% of your main-hand's AP gained from enchanting. Since Kzarka has the same AP as Liverto, that's not a factor in this decision, but the increased Accuracy of Kzarka applies to your awakening which is what makes it better than a few AP. It's like having a second Bheg's.

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Did OP say what his current mainhand is? 

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Trying to pick between the two. I'm a Valkyrie specifically. Any insight would be appreciated

As a valk main myself, I say get kzarka if you're going to pvp for the accuracy, dandelion if you're going to pve for damage

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Did OP say what his current mainhand is? 

No, nor what his awakening weapon is. @DivinePickle?

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Well ... Inst this just Dandy

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My main hand is DUO Yuria Ultimate (Havent played in a long time LOL) Sorry, didnt think to mention that for some reason. I have 0 awakening weapons

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