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For me the answer is finally...yes

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I started this thread a bit back:

And for me the answer is finally yes.  I just cant take anymore having hours of work and gains lost to a stupid RNG roll on enhancement.  Its not good enough even if you stick it out and get TRI everything, you need TET now, and its just too damn discouraging.

I don't mind a grind, honestly I do not.  I played Aion for pete's sake.  But I can no longer handle a grind that results in you being weaker than before you started.

Ill keep my account of course, maybe someday they will change end game chances.

But as far as playing, its just too disheartening to have a high FS and go for TRI on something, and then end up back at PRI after using appropriate failstacks as well.

At least at a casino if I get lucky and win I can walk out with more cash than I went in with, just not the case here.

I love BDO, beautiful game, beautiful design, incredible combat and makes you feel like a hero.

It is 100% worth the cost of admission and a couple months play (and I've been here since pre launch)

But it is just too depressing to hang around with such a discouraging end game that all comes down to how lucky your rolls are going to be.

I wish you all the best, and those of you who have been lucky enough to grind for hours and get your TET or even PEN items, more power to you, keep on keeping on, but its time to move on to something else, even if it is RNG grind as well at end game, at least the start of it will be good.

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Dude, just grind 10 bil and buy everything 

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they need to allow forcing to pen yes make it cost tones of stones like lets say pen something 1k concertrated item type black stones, tet probally 600, tri cause thats low end now 100, duo 30, pri 10.

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Dude, just grind 10 bil and buy everything 

the problem is even if u do grind to 10 bil, the odds of u buying those end game gear are slim to none. there are no pen boss gears for sale, hell there aint even a tri ogre ring.

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the problem is even if u do grind to 10 bil, the odds of u buying those end game gear are slim to none. there are no pen boss gears for sale, hell there aint even a tri ogre ring.

why are you buying such high end stuff

 

duo cresents and baskis are listed almost daily

tet zarkas dont even get sniped now days and the tet dande i bought didnt even go to bid

 

 

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"The team is also looking into ways to help newer players catch up a bit more easily with veterans."


one of the planed changes il damn hope it does something with the RNG factor of gearing x.x

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The team is also looking into ways to help newer players catch up a bit more easily with veterans.


one of the planed changes il damn hope it does something with the RNG factor of gearing x.x

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nothing 100% official i just read it in one of the Upcoming content list that got translated from KR

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"The team is also looking into ways to help newer players catch up a bit more easily with veterans."


one of the planed changes il damn hope it does something with the RNG factor of gearing x.x

I thought we've had this for months now. It's all the events that let new players get top tier gear super easily.

If you're a serious newbie and determined to progress, starting from level 55 (with like +10 gear) you can get from there to level 58/59 with 450+GS in a month (semi-hardcoreish) easily without good luck.

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I agree buddy, sorry to shit over anyone that got lucky but we are not kr, the west needs an alternative you can work towards. 

 

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I agree buddy, sorry to shit over anyone that got lucky but we are not kr, the west needs an alternative you can work towards. 

 

Any kind of attempt involves risk. Weather in the East or West. Risk is associated with reward. There should be no safe alternative to acquire top gear. Top rewards should involve top risk. You either yolo without backups risking a major setback for less cost/time, or try with backups at a greater cost/time, but with a contained risk.

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Any kind of attempt involves risk. Weather in the East or West. Risk is associated with reward. There should be no safe alternative to acquire top gear. Top rewards should involve top risk. You either yolo without backups risking a major setback for less cost/time, or try with backups at a greater cost/time, but with a contained risk.

Players dont want a 100% risk free method of getting the best gear but a reasonable one that does not involve 100% trolling the playerbase with EXTREME RNG to the points its soo frustrating it makes players leave..

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Any kind of attempt involves risk. Weather in the East or West. Risk is associated with reward. There should be no safe alternative to acquire top gear. Top rewards should involve top risk. You either yolo without backups risking a major setback for less cost/time, or try with backups at a greater cost/time, but with a contained risk.

Players dont want a 100% risk free method of getting the best gear but a reasonable one that does not involve 100% trolling the playerbase with EXTREME RNG to the points its soo frustrating it makes players leave..

I quoted Graviera since your post made it look like you were responding to me :)

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Any kind of attempt involves risk. Weather in the East or West. Risk is associated with reward. There should be no safe alternative to acquire top gear. Top rewards should involve top risk. You either yolo without backups risking a major setback for less cost/time, or try with backups at a greater cost/time, but with a contained risk.

oh yeah sorry seems like the forum is trolling me mixed up stuff somehow x.x

Edit what the hell is going on with my Quoting x.x

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okay quoting is buged

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Sadly op is right :P

I try to avoid ench so it doesn't happen to me aswell but eventually you'll have to go further i guess , idk :)

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I started this thread a bit back:

And for me the answer is finally yes.  I just cant take anymore having hours of work and gains lost to a stupid RNG roll on enhancement.  Its not good enough even if you stick it out and get TRI everything, you need TET now, and its just too damn discouraging.

I don't mind a grind, honestly I do not.  I played Aion for pete's sake.  But I can no longer handle a grind that results in you being weaker than before you started.

Ill keep my account of course, maybe someday they will change end game chances.

But as far as playing, its just too disheartening to have a high FS and go for TRI on something, and then end up back at PRI after using appropriate failstacks as well.

At least at a casino if I get lucky and win I can walk out with more cash than I went in with, just not the case here.

I love BDO, beautiful game, beautiful design, incredible combat and makes you feel like a hero.

It is 100% worth the cost of admission and a couple months play (and I've been here since pre launch)

But it is just too depressing to hang around with such a discouraging end game that all comes down to how lucky your rolls are going to be.

I wish you all the best, and those of you who have been lucky enough to grind for hours and get your TET or even PEN items, more power to you, keep on keeping on, but its time to move on to something else, even if it is RNG grind as well at end game, at least the start of it will be good.

I agree. 
I love the game's graphics , combat , exploration , life skills and all the rest....
but pvp isn't fun unless you have really good gear and in order to get really good gear you need to go through a whole rng-wall that just makes you want to quit the game. 
I never minded grinding myself...been playing Tera , Warframe , BnS and whatsoever...but having to deal with overgeared people for at least 6 hours a day every day in order to earn something....getting wrecked as well as wrecking a lot of people who have the same rights to farm in the same spot as you do all cause of the lack of spots and only just to fail at getting TRI every time feels pretty frustrating....I can't even imagine TET or PEN.
I think the devs must start looking for some solutions to these problems cause they are losing a lot of players cause of them.
First, gear needs to get a rework...cause the step from duo to tri or from tri to tet is just too big...and it makes pvp feel even more unequalized than just dealing with the class advantage problem ;
second , enchantment success rate needs to get higher...cause failing is not fun...I don't mind repairing stuff and trying again but when you've been attempting to get TRI on dandelion  for 3 weeks...it feels hella frustrating....and I did already pass the suggested amount of fs on all my alts.
The game also needs more spots where players with a similar level / gear level can gather up and contest..seeing level 60s ganking 54s at Sausans isn't fun...

Not to talk about the endgame which basically rotates around this gear grind....what do you even do once you get full tet / pen boss gear ? You'll be pvping for a while , maybe helping your guildies with world bosses for a couple times...but what after ? There's nothing else....BDO needs an endgame.

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420 memories later and my aard still +14. I try to avoid enchant anymore these past 2 days and just AFK fishing.

I failed 17 times once to get Bheg's Glove to DUO and another 10 times in row for DUO alone.

So I just AFK and AFK more, seriously I shudder at the message of people failing TET everyday, it is just sad that the thing destroy this game is RNG, extreme RNG.

The RNG is so bad I have to go back and play Guild Wars 2 while this game on AFK Fishing to recover back to 600 memories.

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I agree. I love the game's graphics , combat , exploration , life skills and all the rest....
but pvp isn't fun unless you have really good gear and in order to get really good gear you need to go through a whole rng-wall that just makes you want to quit the game. 
I never minded grinding myself...been playing Tera , Warframe , BnS and whatsoever...but having to deal with overgeared people for at least 6 hours a day every day in order to earn something....getting wrecked as well as wrecking a lot of people who have the same rights to farm in the same spot as you do all cause of the lack of spots and only just to fail at getting TRI every time feels pretty frustrating....I can't even imagine TET or PEN.
I think the devs must start looking for some solutions to these problems cause they are losing a lot of players cause of them.
First, gear needs to get a rework...cause the step from duo to tri or from tri to tet is just too big...and it makes pvp feel even more unequalized than just dealing with the class advantage problem ;

second , enchantment success rate needs to get higher...cause failing is not fun...I don't mind repairing stuff and trying again but when you've been attempting to get TRI on dandelion  for 3 weeks...it feels hella frustrating....and I did already pass the suggested amount of fs on all my alts.
The game also needs more spots where players with a similar level / gear level can gather up and contest..seeing level 60s ganking 54s at Sausans isn't fun...

Not to talk about the endgame which basically rotates around this gear grind....what do you even do once you get full tet / pen boss gear ? You'll be pvping for a while , maybe helping your guildies with world bosses for a couple times...but what after ? There's nothing else....BDO needs an endgame.

I bolded the part that deserves the most emphasis.

 

I just tried going to TRI on my Liverto Longsword..... didn't realize the Liverto Longsword market had dried up.

Meanwhile, getting more Sharps is a bidding nightmare.

And my other option for repairing, Memory Fragments, are quite expensive.

 

So, I WANT to be competitive in PVP. Despite all of the games' problems with desync and lag, etc, I love PVP. Heck, I love the PVE - the environments are gorgeous, and to me the enemies' backstories are interesting and makes me wanna smite 'em with my holy lancia.

But. How can I enjoy this game to the fullest, e.v.e.n. i.n. P.V.E.!., even if I dedicate myself to grinding the entire time I am on, if I am faced not only with RNG but the repair costs, which can vary between a few mil to a -----ing lot of mil.........?

 

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Inb4 someone hops on the thread to say, but you should be happy to have 49 stacks now! That's a TET attempt! Dude. I need to be able to get TRI first. AND for that, I need DUO first. And for THAT, I need to be able to repair.

Quite frankly classes aren't the only thing in this game that needs to be balanced, and balanced soon. I can't fathom how they think it's possible to PVP let alone PVE with naught but a DUO.

 

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Enchanting to 20 should be forcable, accessory enchantment is fine as is. we would have people running with PEN eventually and the progression would be based on accessory enchantment.

Though we're more likely to get +20 forcable when they release +25 :<

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Enchanting to 20 should be forcable, accessory enchantment is fine as is. we would have people running with PEN eventually and the progression would be based on accessory enchantment.

Though we're more likely to get +20 forcable when they release +25 :<

Yes, make it back to how it was pre-PRI/DUO/TRI/TET/PEN!!!

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RNGesus.jpg

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I'd just like to note here that only 12,412 Liverto Longswords have been sold on the MP.

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Longswords are used by both Warriors and Valkyries.

Let's assume the average person has to buy at least 20 to make it to TRI.

That means there's around 620.6 people attempting to upgrade in the first place.

Hmmmmmmmm...........

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*camping the mp is so much fun i do math apparently*

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I bolded the part that deserves the most emphasis.

 

I just tried going to TRI on my Liverto Longsword..... didn't realize the Liverto Longsword market had dried up.

Meanwhile, getting more Sharps is a bidding nightmare.

And my other option for repairing, Memory Fragments, are quite expensive.

 

So, I WANT to be competitive in PVP. Despite all of the games' problems with desync and lag, etc, I love PVP. Heck, I love the PVE - the environments are gorgeous, and to me the enemies' backstories are interesting and makes me wanna smite 'em with my holy lancia.

But. How can I enjoy this game to the fullest, e.v.e.n. i.n. P.V.E.!., even if I dedicate myself to grinding the entire time I am on, if I am faced not only with RNG but the repair costs, which can vary between a few mil to a -----ing lot of mil.........?

 

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Inb4 someone hops on the thread to say, but you should be happy to have 49 stacks now! That's a TET attempt! Dude. I need to be able to get TRI first. AND for that, I need DUO first. And for THAT, I need to be able to repair.

Quite frankly classes aren't the only thing in this game that needs to be balanced, and balanced soon. I can't fathom how they think it's possible to PVP let alone PVE with naught but a DUO.

 

That sounds really painfull ... How do u deal with it ~_~

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That sounds really painfull ... How do u deal with it ~_~

It's Xmas. I've been drinking. I also have guildies online who are doing their best to keep me from sinking into complete and utter despair.

Blowing shit up has been an ongoing theme with anything I try to enchant in BDO. At this point I think I'm, dare I say, used to it.

BTW, if any of this is being reported back to the devs, being used to something =/= having fun. You have crushed my soul. Please give address to send future therapy bill to.

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It's Xmas. I've been drinking. I also have guildies online who are doing their best to keep me from sinking into complete and utter despair.

Blowing shit up has been an ongoing theme with anything I try to enchant in BDO. At this point I think I'm, dare I say, used to it.

BTW, if any of this is being reported back to the devs, being used to something =/= having fun. You have crushed my soul. Please give address to send future therapy bill to.

Welp take it easy , Don't try to hard^^

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