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Tungrade and others from log in reward is bad game design

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Accessories are good reward most of them will pop during enchanting but T8 horse will stay in game you know...

Don't give the devs any ideas.  Won't be long and you will get have to slam horses together to upgrade them.  You will get a total of 4 chances.  Each time you fail the horse will lose a leg and it's speed will get slower.

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New MMORPG generations needs to be flooded with free stuff because else they will cry all day. :ph34r:

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Horrendous design and among the reasons i'm debating to quit the game for good.

All this free stuff from the last month does nothing but ----- up the market. It got completely out of hand. In a game with controlled economy lately it feels like "what event the devs will add so i can exploit it or minimize loses" instead of just playing the game.

If you want a higher influx of X items you have to make it gradual and not like this loot pinata. You want more shards on market, up the droprate. More ogre rings, up the droprate. So on and so forth. Market won't be as -----ed as it is and players will definitely feel accomplishment more often since they would drop more stuff.

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The server merge thingy has been bad, the "i give you X items through boxes" thingies isn't that bad since you got a chance to upgrade in a cheaper way your otherwise ultra expensive accessories and after that moment in a week or two they'll go back to their original price, so once again i don't see the point in this.
Also is not like that whoever drops an Ogre ring is going to buy or farm others to make it DUO or TRI and is not even guaranteed, if it was for me i'd make the progression less vertical and slightly more horizontal as it was when we had the +15 Cap, because from my point view they could have reworked the stats to make attack speed/critical rate/critical damage in percentage rather than through a fixed value that can only be broken with alchemy stones and that's all. Accuracy and evasion? stats made to play lazy and make the hitboxes less accurate, that fits more in a tab targetting game rather than an action game like BDO. 

So yeah, for me events like these are good because they help the new or unlucky players to catch up with the old ones, if anything i agree that they should give us the tool to farm the stuffs we need for good reducing events like these, but as long the power creep is that huge and this game is an absolute casino that can boost you 'till the status of god or else give you unwanted surprise bumsex attack from behind, i welcome them.

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Pretty much this entire game is based around RNG. Its a bullsh*t design anyway so hell.. why not just make the acquisition of decent gear RNG too. There is no real effort required to obtain anything in this game, no sense of reward for effort, no sense of achievement for accomplishments. You don't even need to grind endlessly to be honest, just AFK fish to raise funds, spend money in AH and then hope RNG grants you a gear upgrade. AFK process to earn money (no effort needed their either) go to AH. Send out workers to earn for you while you earn AFK fishing... more AH & RNG !

So giving items, even top tier items away for free is simply in line with all the other bad practices this game does.

The worst part is this could have been a great game, even the fabled 'WoW killer' people have talked about for years, instead its slowly being strangled by its own designers who seem to be more interested in milking players of cash !

:( 

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The worst part is this could have been a great game, even the fabled 'WoW killer' people have talked about for years, instead its slowly being strangled by its own designers who seem to be more interested in milking players of cash !

:( 

You don't understand what makes WoW tick if you think BDO, with its core concept, could have ever been a WoW-killer. WoW is popular because it has more themepark PvE content than any other game on the market. That's what draws in the masses. Open world games, especially those with PvP as an endgame, could never be as popular as WoW, regardless of how well its systems were designed and executed.

 

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You don't understand what makes WoW tick if you think BDO, with its core concept, could have ever been a WoW-killer. WoW is popular because it has more themepark PvE content than any other game on the market. That's what draws in the masses. Open world games, especially those with PvP as an endgame, could never be as popular as WoW, regardless of how well its systems were designed and executed.

 

I was referring to BDO as in what was promised in those early days. I'll admit I didn't pay great (if any) attention to the KR / RU versions of the game as they stated the NA / EU versions would differ. At this time people and reviewers were calling it a WoW with modern day graphics. Unfortunately shortly after release it was obvious this wasn't the case. It still could have been but Kakao / PA just seem resided to making the NA / EU version a clone of the KR version. All we have now is a glorified gambling simulator with nice graphics...lol

Oh and I played WoW from Vanilla - Cata (left when they announced Pandas) (might go and take a look and Legion though....lol)

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Am I the only one that thinks it's ridiculous that this arguably best base earring is almost exclusively coming from players who have never even stepped foot into valencia? That may be an exaggeration, but it seems really stupid to me that they would just give out loot like this, instead of rewarding players who actually farm for it. 

As someone who farms basilisks belts all day things were getting bad before with mystery belts and other freebie boxes, but this event just completely ruined it. It's pretty frustrating grinding my ass off just to see random lvl 35 joe schmo get the same damn belt once, twice or maybe even three times from "do nothing" boxes.  

Perhaps it's a difference in philosophy. Clearly BDO devs don't think you should have to grind for them. And i'm ok with other avenues. But, just logging in? Seriously? Can we at least put some element of difficulty here? 

Perhaps they use it as a catch up mechanic. "These people can't farm Laytenn's Power Stone because they don't have Laytenn's Power Stone". Doubtful though, since most just end up selling them to players like me anyway. 

Anyway... giving away loot like this really cheapens it, not only on the market, but also in terms of the prestige. Some folks might not think that's worth anything, but i do. 

You're a genius huh? So because you started the game earlier than most people, you feel entitled that they should never give anything good away at events, because YOU already have it. Right? You think this is good for new players? Haha you're so wrong. This is whats happening:

New players are getting the loot, they instantly sell it because they see "OOOO MONEY!". The price has significantly dropped because of the amount of them on the market. People like YOU go to the market, see that the price of tungrade, crescent, ogre, etc. Is so low, and you buy them all out because you're rich af. You upgrade the hell out of all of them and either turn a MASSIVE profit, or have even better gear, where as the new player got 1 more mediocre piece from this all. So, this is a huge issue for you right? 

If you had said that you didn't like it because the rich people are taking advantage of it, I would have agreed. But you act like you're literally the only person grinding in this game. You aren't pal, sorry. You may be spending 80% of your day grinding on a video game, which is pretty sad, but other people work for their gear too and appreciate the help considering they aren't allowed to play as much as you due to work / family.

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Grind less, it's magic, it also helps to not give a shit. If there is one thing that is genius about this game albeit in a rather twisted way, it is that the harder you try, the more likely the game slaps you for how "special" you end up thinking you are.

 

 

this is the exact attitude you need to approach tet and pen and/or accessories otherwise it is just soul crushing. 

You're a genius huh? So because you started the game earlier than most people, you feel entitled that they should never give anything good away at events, because YOU already have it. Right? You think this is good for new players? Haha you're so wrong. This is whats happening:

New players are getting the loot, they instantly sell it because they see "OOOO MONEY!". The price has significantly dropped because of the amount of them on the market. People like YOU go to the market, see that the price of tungrade, crescent, ogre, etc. Is so low, and you buy them all out because you're rich af. You upgrade the hell out of all of them and either turn a MASSIVE profit, or have even better gear, where as the new player got 1 more mediocre piece from this all. So, this is a huge issue for you right? 

If you had said that you didn't like it because the rich people are taking advantage of it, I would have agreed. But you act like you're literally the only person grinding in this game. You aren't pal, sorry. You may be spending 80% of your day grinding on a video game, which is pretty sad, but other people work for their gear too and appreciate the help considering they aren't allowed to play as much as you due to work / family.

chill your tits mate, he is saying he wants you to work for the drop. Alternative would of been for you to actually have to do something for 30 minutes and force you to play rather than give you the rewards for being afk. This is his beef not that you get it. 

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The kind that keeps the 99% of players playing I guess :D

Then in my most humble opinion, those 99% hippie casuals can go to any other mmorpg. Bdo wasn't advertised as a casual game for casual players and shouldn't be that casual. 

I'd rather have 1% none casuals (beside the life skillers, explorers etc etc) than 99% leeches who gets BiS stuff by not doing anything but logging in or maybe spend 10-20 min per day in-game. 

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I grinded Ogres for a straight month being the 3rd person on Uno to build a tri Ogre ring. Then they introduced those stupid rng boxes in the vendor and all of a sudden Ogre rings started flooding the market. Now people are getting them with the dailies. I feel somewhat cheated as I actually grinded my ass off to get the stuff to make it while people are literally being handed the materials now. I could have spent that entire month grinding to get a higher level. So it kind of is shitty to us who grind stuff to get it.

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Ahh... nothing like a good self entitled whiner thread to cheer up my day....lol

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Dude, from what I can tell you've been playing this game for awhile. Can you still not tell that they care more about new players (new walletwarriors) than the active ones? Can you still not realize that effort means nothing to Kakao and Pearl Abyss? All they care about is money, money and oh you guessed it.. money. Being loyal and active means nothing in this game, eventually Kakao is gonna give all the items you worked so hard to get, for free to the people who just log in to get daily rewards. They don't care if you play, all they care about is you spending your money. Its not gonna change, no matter how many threads you make.

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Am I the only one that thinks it's ridiculous that this arguably best base earring is almost exclusively coming from players who have never even stepped foot into valencia? That may be an exaggeration, but it seems really stupid to me that they would just give out loot like this, instead of rewarding players who actually farm for it. 

As someone who farms basilisks belts all day things were getting bad before with mystery belts and other freebie boxes, but this event just completely ruined it. It's pretty frustrating grinding my ass off just to see random lvl 35 joe schmo get the same damn belt once, twice or maybe even three times from "do nothing" boxes.  

Perhaps it's a difference in philosophy. Clearly BDO devs don't think you should have to grind for them. And i'm ok with other avenues. But, just logging in? Seriously? Can we at least put some element of difficulty here? 

Perhaps they use it as a catch up mechanic. "These people can't farm Laytenn's Power Stone because they don't have Laytenn's Power Stone". Doubtful though, since most just end up selling them to players like me anyway. 

Anyway... giving away loot like this really cheapens it, not only on the market, but also in terms of the prestige. Some folks might not think that's worth anything, but i do. 

It's as bad as having sieges in static intervals, right.

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Since the boss armor box, i don't grind stuff anymore, because i know i will eventually get everything for free, and i was right, i got my full boss stuff from those. Why bother playing ? Even when NOUVER (If it ever comes) i don't think i'll bother with, since i'll eventually get it from an event or something like that.

Reason:

  • The Dragon World Boss Nouver has been added to the game.

 

:P From the News on today's patch.

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I grinded Ogres for a straight month being the 3rd person on Uno to build a tri Ogre ring. Then they introduced those stupid rng boxes in the vendor and all of a sudden Ogre rings started flooding the market. Now people are getting them with the dailies. I feel somewhat cheated as I actually grinded my ass off to get the stuff to make it while people are literally being handed the materials now. I could have spent that entire month grinding to get a higher level. So it kind of is shitty to us who grind stuff to get it.

I've still never had an Ogre ring drop. Must have killed over 1000 Ogres, but no ring. Now I'm the first (possibly the main) person who would say that anything attainable in-game 'must' be gotten through effort and time, but even I have a limit....lol

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I was referring to BDO as in what was promised in those early days. I'll admit I didn't pay great (if any) attention to the KR / RU versions of the game as they stated the NA / EU versions would differ. At this time people and reviewers were calling it a WoW with modern day graphics. Unfortunately shortly after release it was obvious this wasn't the case. It still could have been but Kakao / PA just seem resided to making the NA / EU version a clone of the KR version. All we have now is a glorified gambling simulator with nice graphics...lol

Oh and I played WoW from Vanilla - Cata (left when they announced Pandas) (might go and take a look and Legion though....lol)

;)

Well it would have required almost a complete revamp of most of BDO's content towards a PvE themepark. I think if anyone expected that to happen they weren't paying much attention. 

I also seem to have missed the reviewers comparing it to WoW. It has different style of graphics, different style of combat, different style of progression... Actually when I think of it I'm hard pressed to find pretty much anything similar to WoW :D

 

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true

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I dont see the problem. The do nothing boxes are awarded to all players. To those that grind and to those that dont grind. So the guy who never grinds gets one. And the get who grinds gets one too and a second one from grinding.

Tell me more about how often you get Tungrade earrings from grinding :x

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Pretty much all MMORPGs these days have daily/weekly login gifts to boost numbers tho. Also, this isn't a game where you're required to farm BIS gear because BoP, running some challenging content. You dont need to be a good player to get BiS gear in BDO. All you need is money or farming money.

In other games, you at least need to be decent and know your role in a group + learn mechanics in dungeons or raids, to get the highest tier gear. Anyway, that's why I'm not overly upset about it. Players who never set a foot in Valencia can still get Valencia loot regardless of all these events and daily gifts.

But it does feel wrong somehow, seeing all of these BiS accessories devalued and flooding the market place :/

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So you have been buying Nvidia products for years. Buying and selling and upgrading from the gtx 460, 760, 1080 etc. And then some noob who was never around to buy the 460 just buys the 1080 on his purchase. So that doesnt seem fair?

If you want this comparison to be accurate: you're buying 460 then 760 and lastly you finally manage to get a 1080. Now, a group of people who is completely new to nvidia and barely ever use the their pc's for other stuff than watching a movie and play a game for 20 min a day gets a gtx 1080 for free for being "such good customers" or because they want those people to become customers. Tell me more about how this wouldn't piss you off :).

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If you want this comparison to be accurate: you're buying 460 then 760 and lastly you finally manage to get a 1080. Now, a group of people who is completely new to nvidia and barely ever use the their pc's for other stuff than watching a movie and play a game for 20 min a day gets a gtx 1080 for free for being "such good customers" or because they want those people to become customers. Tell me more about how this wouldn't piss you off :).

No. For it to be accurate, Nvidia would first give a new 1080 to a guy who has jacked off 5 times every day for the last year. Then next year they'd give one for everyone who jacks off once. Including the guy who's still jacking off 5 times a day.

Jacking off, because it's something everyone can do, it's free to do and it's quite fun if you don't do it too much.

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I feel the sentiment is right. It does a disservice to the ones that do work for it. However, it is something that gives players incentive to log in, and it lessens the effects of the rng system, which most of the time, can be incredibly brutal. I've been very lucky to have obtained a full boss set and a kzarka (no dande yet *shakes tiny fist*), but there's a lot of people who have been on the NA/EU region since launch like I have that have yet to get a boss drop, despite attending far more then I ever have.

While I think giving the top tier pieces out for free is a little much, unless they're going to revamp the way they do the RNG system, this is pretty much the only option to close that gap. And it isn't even really doing much. As others have stated, you need to enchant most of these items to be even remotely competitive now. So getting a slight boost that helps them move on to other areas isn't a bad thing.

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Don't give the devs any ideas.  Won't be long and you will have RNG breeding. It'll be RNG if the horses actually give you a foal or not. The breeding count would still go down no matter the outcome.

FTFY :P 

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Pretty much all MMORPGs these days have daily/weekly login gifts to boost numbers tho. Also, this isn't a game where you're required to farm BIS gear because BoP, running some challenging content. You dont need to be a good player to get BiS gear in BDO. All you need is money or farming money.

In other games, you at least need to be decent and know your role in a group + learn mechanics in dungeons or raids, to get the highest tier gear. Anyway, that's why I'm not overly upset about it. Players who never set a foot in Valencia can still get Valencia loot regardless of all these events and daily gifts.

But it does feel wrong somehow, seeing all of these BiS accessories devalued and flooding the market place :/

Ahh.. good old phrases like BIS and BoP... takes me back. All those days spent in Dalaran shouting LFG and waiting for some moron to declare I had to show them my Gear as if decent gear has any bearing on whether a player has any knowledge of a game, their class or even what role they play in a group....lol

But now BDO managed to degrade that even further.. now BIS doesn't even require a grind, you just need to have better RNG luck !

:(

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