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Kutum or Nouver Shield for Warrior? [Poll]


Kutum vs Nouver   218 votes

  1. 1. Kutum or Nouver Shield for Warrior?

    • Kutum
      108
    • Nouver
      83
    • Kite
      27

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Pretty much the title^^

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I'd run Nouver if I played warrior

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I'm going to get Nouver and get it to TRI, but sticking with Kutum for PvP

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Im using kutum and i like it alot, i vote kutum as its easier to get. If your purely aiming for AP though get nouver. 

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Nouver for PvE and Vangertz for PvP, never would have thought Vangertz will be my friend till the end, time for to the PEN dream.

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WTB Dande GS NA

Edited by Forbannet

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Nouver. Using a TET Axion till i get one. 

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Nouver.

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Nouver for PvE and Vangertz for PvP, never would have thought Vangertz will be my friend till the end, time for to the PEN dream.

i keep telling people that Vangertz is BiS for warrior and valk no matter what your other gear is, but no one listens

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I have  14 accuracy in gems/alchemy stone + 2x TRI red Coral earrings + Bhegs + Kzarka i think should be enough for Nouver in PVP

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I have  14 accuracy in gems/alchemy stone + 2x TRI red Coral earrings + Bhegs + Kzarka i think should be enough for Nouver in PVP

 hmm... so at tri...
12ap, 21acc, 25 evasion(dp), 2 damage deduction, +1 level of all special damage 
vs 
39ap and 10% resistance

*rolls my eyes*

There's no real contest. Vangertz is BiS for pvp.

Edited by xcandykitten

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 hmm... so at tri...12ap, 21acc, 25 evasion(dp), 2 damage deduction, +1 level of all special damage 
vs 
39ap and 10% resistance

*rolls my eyes*

There's no real contest. Vangertz is BiS for pvp.

What a tryharding wannabe.

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Kutum still I'd imagine. I mean you could always get both for swapping and having Nouver to farm PVE would be nice.

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Obviously Nouver for PVE.

Vangertz or Nouver for PVP. Need to test them first with a few setups to see the differences. Kutum was bad compared to Vangertz in PVP according to my testing. Needles to say you will need a lot of accuracy from accessories to make Nouver viable.

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Whichever NV offers me first.

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Whichever NV offers me first.

You can't get kutum from night vendor 

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Here is another older thread with an extensive discussion and poll :) 

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Nouver for PvE and Vangertz for PvP, never would have thought Vangertz will be my friend till the end, time for to the PEN dream.

Finally someone who can understand. I was considered as idiot for months and no one believed me that it outperforms Kutum :D

Obviously Nouver for PVE.

Vangertz or Nouver for PVP. Need to test them first with a few setups to see the differences. Kutum was bad compared to Vangertz in PVP according to my testing. Needles to say you will need a lot of accuracy from accessories to make Nouver viable.

Kutum has big advantage over vang and its our 100% rage. With more raw ap, it deals much more damage. Same for nouver bot but shields has quite big acc pre requirements to be viable or on par with Vangertz. From our testing, Kutum performs same as vang in terms of hit rate with bhegs, 2x tri red coras and duo tree belt. This is holding you down from raw AP. I use kutum just for PvE.

Edited by Chors

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Nouver for PvE Kutum for PvP. 

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Finally someone who can understand. I was considered as idiot for months and no one believed me that it outperforms Kutum :D

Kutum has big advantage over vang and its our 100% rage. With more raw ap, it deals much more damage. Same for nouver bot but shields has quite big acc pre requirements to be viable or on par with Vangertz. From our testing, Kutum performs same as vang in terms of hit rate with bhegs, 2x tri red coras and duo tree belt. This is holding you down from raw AP. I use kutum just for PvE.

So to make sure I understand you correctly. You're saying that wearing vang is better than wearing 2x tri red corals and duo tree belt in terms of AP potential? Because My current build is basically 2 red coral earrings +tree belt/bhegs and I use axion since I don't have kotum yet. I have 191 ap with this setup. Or am I dumb and misunderstanding your post? 

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So to make sure I understand you correctly. You're saying that wearing vang is better than wearing 2x tri red corals and duo tree belt in terms of AP potential? Because My current build is basically 2 red coral earrings +tree belt/bhegs and I use axion since I don't have kotum yet. I have 191 ap with this setup. Or am I dumb and misunderstanding your post? 

You can choose either setups, but when you face so many evasion builds out there you cant just run nouver or kutum without any added accuracy. So you can choose vangertz and you dont have to run rce, tree belt and bheg to make it work. 

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Finally someone who can understand. I was considered as idiot for months and no one believed me that it outperforms Kutum :D

Kutum has big advantage over vang and its our 100% rage. With more raw ap, it deals much more damage. Same for nouver bot but shields has quite big acc pre requirements to be viable or on par with Vangertz. From our testing, Kutum performs same as vang in terms of hit rate with bhegs, 2x tri red coras and duo tree belt. This is holding you down from raw AP. I use kutum just for PvE.

With the setup you mentioned, you have 16 AP from RCE, 9 from Tree belt, 25 from TRI Kutum, and 2 slots for 5 AP crystals, totalling 60 AP

With an alternate build, you'll have 22 AP from TRI Witch's, 11 from DUO Basi, 13 from TRI Vangertz, and 1 slot for a 5 AP crystal, totalling 51 AP

So you'd need TET Witch's AND TRI Basi to get more AP with a Vangertz compared to accuracy build with Kutum

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With the setup you mentioned, you have 16 AP from RCE, 9 from Tree belt, 25 from TRI Kutum, and 2 slots for 5 AP crystals, totalling 60 AP

With an alternate build, you'll have 22 AP from TRI Witch's, 11 from DUO Basi, 13 from TRI Vangertz, and 1 slot for a 5 AP crystal, totalling 51 AP

So you'd need TET Witch's AND TRI Basi to get more AP with a Vangertz compared to accuracy build with Kutum

You forgot about one thing. 5ap crystals are worth because of HP, that AP scaling is close to none in PvP.

So thats 46vs50 and 4 ap difference barely matters if Vangertz can outperform Kutum in terms of hitrate (and slightly damage wise). Dont worry, i have both, testing them since september.

 

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With the setup you mentioned, you have 16 AP from RCE, 9 from Tree belt, 25 from TRI Kutum, and 2 slots for 5 AP crystals, totalling 60 AP

With an alternate build, you'll have 22 AP from TRI Witch's, 11 from DUO Basi, 13 from TRI Vangertz, and 1 slot for a 5 AP crystal, totalling 51 AP

So you'd need TET Witch's AND TRI Basi to get more AP with a Vangertz compared to accuracy build with Kutum

Lets clarify this.

Khutum +16-21acc (depending what khutum gives 2-5 is acc tops). 20 evasion dp. 10% ignore resists. 2 gem slots. 50 sheet ap with acc setup.

Vangertz: +21-24 acc. 25 evasion dp +2 stated evasion. 2 damage reduction. +1 level of special damage. 46(50 with tri tungrade) sheet ap. 1 gem slot.

Pros of Khutum:
2x gem slots
4 more AP (except tungrade)
RCE and TSB are cheaper than tungrade/witch/blue whale/cresi belt

Pros of vangertz:
Cheaper than Khutum to enchant
More evasion
2 Damage reduction
+1 special attack Damage
Are able to run blue whale earrings (200hp) or Tungrade earrings (20% extra black spirit + 4 more ap)
 

Edited by xcandykitten

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Kutum is dmg red not evasion. 

2x RCE is 12acc and DUO Tree belt is 3. Thats 15. Kutum was tested several times and it gives 5acc. So we can say its 20acc total with rce and tsb.

Vang has 7base acc and +-17acc at +15 (cant find Inven link). Thats 24acc on 1 item alone so you can focus on normal AP accessories and close the AP gap between both shields. 

For me, only viable thing on Kutum is 10% ignore which works. 1 slot more for 150hp..well okay, you can go for Molar earrings while using Vang to compensate that because having 2x TRI RCE with Kutum is a must for serious PvPer.

Advantage of Vang is also, you can go rocaba set for 5more evasion and making 2x TET green armor is much cheaper than yellow items. So more evasion, more acc, viable AP and trading evasion for HP from boss gear. Good as cheap setup.

And dont forget, having vang+bhegs+red corals for more insane hitrate is possible (im using this now).

I`d rather have 220AP with vang and TRI AP accessories instead of 224 with Kutum (TRI RCE + TRI TSB) or 233 with pure AP accessories.

Matter of choice.

Edited by Chors
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