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BDO Very CPU Demanding? Upgrade?


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Yup, since he is talking about low FPS.

hmmm ok unless i missed something, where exactly in the original post did he say anything about FPS issues? 
 

Hello.

I have a question for the experts, I m runing bdo in a GTX 970, Intel Core i5 3570K and 12gb RAM and I suffer some stutering and also is very anoyoing to do pvp without any efffects enabled,should I get a better CPU including motherboard or better GPU? I have 450€ of budget

he said stuttering not FPS.

BTW, im not at all butt hurt, it was just funny and fascinating how i see people as urself have to resort in trying to insult another person because they just ripped apart someone else's post pointing out that 95% of what ever they wrote was useless and pointless.

Anyhow im done, thanks for the entertainment Decius !!!   :) 

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I also did a test between HD and SSD. I would say SSD is the only decent option to run BDO else you will get shutter as in slow loading terrains in HD. 

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Hello.

I have a question for the experts, I m runing bdo in a GTX 970, Intel Core i5 3570K and 12gb RAM and I suffer some stutering and also is very anoyoing to do pvp without any efffects enabled,should I get a better CPU including motherboard or better GPU? I have 450€ of budget

A 4690k w/16gig ram will still have fps issues in pvp with a 970gtx gpu. Sadly, You would probably need to upgrade your cpu to something like a 6700 and a 1080ti GPU to avoid many issues with heavy pvp. OFC, this will not be enough raw power to brute force BDO's shitty code, but you should be able to hit steady 30FPS.

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BDO doesn't load everything it needs at start, it hammers the HDD non-stop, moving to an SSD makes a huge difference and it's a pretty cheap upgrade too. It also cures a lot of crashes that some people have. Sure it won't improve core FPS but it will improve game play a lot in removing stutters, lag spikes and pop-ins.

Precisely this and it's not even just a matter of highly superior speeds, the real difference is IOPS and the technological difference even more than plain linear speeds ( people seem to check that when wondering if they should purchase one or not ). A mechanical device just doesn't work as fast as electrons, even higher RPM ones will still have the problem of moving back and forth to retrieve data.

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Hello.

I have a question for the experts, I m runing bdo in a GTX 970, Intel Core i5 3570K and 12gb RAM and I suffer some stutering and also is very anoyoing to do pvp without any efffects enabled,should I get a better CPU including motherboard or better GPU? I have 450€ of budget

You'll need to upgrade your SSD first, that'll fix your stuttering right away.

You should be able to get a proper SSD for around 100-150 euro's relative easy leaving you with a budget of 300-350 euro's for a CPU upgrade.

Recommended SSD (€ 85,-) : Samsung 850 EVO 120GB

Recommended CPU (€ 250,-) : Intel Core i5-6600K Boxed

Reccomended Mainboard (€ 130,-) : ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4

 

You'll be able to run stable around 40-50 FPS mostly everywhere with this setup. I cheaped out a bit on the SSD in order to get the i5 6600k for your budget, and since you've got a HDD 500GB you won't need the storage space anyway.

 

 

 

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Nothing of both. And if your HDD wasn´t a cold war budget model, then you should be in the clear as well. Modern games do load everything they need in the RAM. Black Desert does so as well. Outsourced data on the HDD was a thing 10 years before (unless you´re playing ArmA 3). But this technique isn´t used anymore since RAM became cheap and big.

You are heavily underestimating how much memory a game occupies and how much Disk I/O is required especially when there's a need to stream tons of textures on demand. Black Desert is no exception. Putting the game on an SSD (or rather having the Pagefile on that SSD) is going to mitigate stuttering and texture pop-ins which would otherwise be induced by a slow HDD. 

Low Framerates in BDO however and primarily caused by a CPU bottleneck. Overclocking that i5 could be a temporary solution. If upgrading then I'd go for an Intel Skylake (i7 6700K) right away. Though currently with AMD Zen on the doorstep it's not the best idea to get a new CPU.

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You'll need to upgrade your SSD first, that'll fix your stuttering right away.

You should be able to get a proper SSD for around 100-150 euro's relative easy leaving you with a budget of 300-350 euro's for a CPU upgrade.

Recommended SSD (€ 85,-) : Samsung 850 EVO 120GB

Recommended CPU (€ 250,-) : Intel Core i5-6600K Boxed

Reccomended Mainboard (€ 130,-) : ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4

 

You'll be able to run stable around 40-50 FPS mostly everywhere with this setup. I cheaped out a bit on the SSD in order to get the i5 6600k for your budget, and since you've got a HDD 500GB you won't need the storage space anyway.

 

 

 

just no, dont buy a 120GB SSD. A good first SSD is the Adata Premier SP550 240GB.

Right now it's not 100% PA's fault.

It's not only a bug, but also the reseaon is the DirectX11 API itself. My theory is that because of the drawcall limit in DX11, the game basically creates a congestion between CPU & GPU which on the other hand leads to bad utilization which leads to low framerates. Good DX11 engines can handle ~10000 drawcalls. Modern hardware can actually handle so much data and deliver decent framerates, it's just the software that fails us. For example Fallout 4 is famous for its completly random performance drops that are caused by bad/no culling, which creates too many draw calls for the ancient engine that they are using since morrorwind.

This is what you get if the engine can keep up:

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This is what happens if culling is deactivated, because then it floods the engine with draw calls because it renders shit that you dont even see

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 It can be fixed buy adding a low level API render path like DirectX12 or Vulkan. Both can handle hundreds of times more draw calls than shitty DX11.

Of course this is (or could be) a part of the whole problem. We still have to look at things like multi-threading, data streaming, GPU shader utilization, memory bandwith limitations etc. that can all effect performance tremendously. Also spaghetti code could be a very real reason for many problems of the engine

Yes, a better CPU can mitigate the bad performance, but it's more like band aid than anything. If you want to upgrade your CPU, I suggest to wait for AMD's Zen/RYZEN processors. From all the information we currently have we can say that we will most likely get Skylake performance in almost all scenarios (I'd say on average it has broadwell performance). Rumors also strongly point that the 4C/8T "base model" will be basically an i7-6700 for the price of an i5 with less power consumption. AMD's new CPUs are rumored to be released in very few months (february probably)

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I7-6950, Samsung SSD, Nvidia GTX 1080, only 1 month old custom northwest falcon desktop, gets about 10-15 FPS on any crowded City or world boss melee on Slightly high settings.

^this and every other post with the hardware that isnt stoneage. BDO programmed code is shit, this game runs on every system like shit. They add stuff into the code but dont remove old/unneed lines in it, so the code gets overblown with lines and the game loads and plays like shit. Same for most asia mmorpgs.

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^this and every other post with the hardware that isnt stoneage. BDO programmed code is shit, this game runs on every system like shit. They add stuff into the code but dont remove old/unneed lines in it, so the code gets overblown with lines and the game loads and plays like shit. Same for most asia mmorpgs.

There is a suggestion forum where you can give them some tips then. You seem to know what the exact problem is by your post.

All of your forum posts are you bashing  the game and telling people to leave. Seems like you created a forum account just to complain. Offer some solutions

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I got a 4670k, 970, and ssd's and still get some pretty bad stuttering/fps issues, towns wreck me even on medium.  I thought it might have been my oc not agreeing with this particular game so I put all my gear at default, performed exactly the same, I  think we need some generation jumps sadly.

BDO is horribly optimized. The game stutters on very high end systems. It is why KAKAO partnered up with silicon studios to have BDO optimized for better performance.

http://www.siliconstudio.co.jp/en/news/pressreleases/2016/en1612pearlabyss/ 

They mainly speak about improving graphics but the studio is known for improving both graphics and performance on those games they work on. There is hope even for mid range system to be able to run the game on nice settings.

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^this and every other post with the hardware that isnt stoneage. BDO programmed code is shit, this game runs on every system like shit. They add stuff into the code but dont remove old/unneed lines in it, so the code gets overblown with lines and the game loads and plays like shit. Same for most asia mmorpgs.

You have no clue.

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You have no clue.

ok

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Thats good news. More fps is always nice.

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BDO doesn't load everything it needs at start, it hammers the HDD non-stop, moving to an SSD makes a huge difference and it's a pretty cheap upgrade too. It also cures a lot of crashes that some people have. Sure it won't improve core FPS but it will improve game play a lot in removing stutters, lag spikes and pop-ins.

I hope you're kidding.

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Strix 1080gtx Rog 8Gb Gaming successfully overclocked to 1864 gpu clock and 10068 memory clock with 118% voltage.. higher than the upcoming non-overclocked 1080gtx ti version of my card. I have a 64hz monitor and using Hbao+ instead of Ssao. Turn Ssao off in-game and enable Hbao+ in profile settings on Nvidia Inspector and enjoy the framerate increase and graphics fidelity. Can post my profile settings if you want to see how to disable the crappy Ssao and get the much better Hbao+ which gives a +10fps boost and looks much better.. No problems with fps in cities, stays the same everywhere with dips of max 7fps.

Hello.

I have a question for the experts, I m runing bdo in a GTX 970, Intel Core i5 3570K and 12gb RAM and I suffer some stutering and also is very anoyoing to do pvp without any efffects enabled,should I get a better CPU including motherboard or better GPU? I have 450€ of budget

Can I ask you for settings in-game and screenshots?

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Nothing you get will be good enough. I have a 4.3ghz cpu, 1070 GTX, 16gb ram, fast SSD, 3-5 fps during events with many people around unless I lower the quality etc.

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Well I fixed the stuttering issues, seems the Merketplace kills the fps and after closing it it gets fixed however I would like to upgrade the CPU any suggestions?

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i7-7700k or AMD Ryzen? you'll certainly need a new mobo though...

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Heres my upgrade that should be done in about a week.

ROG Maximus IX Extreme motherboard
i7 7700k - CPU, oc'd to 5.2 ghz
32 GB of ripscale at 3200 mhz
1080TI on liquid
960 NVME x2 in raid 0.

 

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How many cores does BD use? I noticed on my quad-core it makes use of all 4, can it use more?

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If you're studdering hit esc and open market place and close it right away. I find if you search something on the market and close it seems it keeps indexing in the background. Opening the window and closing with no search seems to fix mine.

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How many cores does BD use? I noticed on my quad-core it makes use of all 4, can it use more?

That's Intel's hyper threading technology giving the illusion that it's using all cores.2ba1yjD.png

Black Desert normally doesn't exceed 25% usage (IE 1 core in total), at times, it does reach 31%, but that's Intel's Turbo Boost technology doing that.

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That's Intel's hyper threading technology giving the illusion that it's using all cores.

Black Desert normally doesn't exceed 25% usage (IE 1 core in total), at times, it does reach 31%, but that's Intel's Turbo Boost technology doing that.

My CPU does not have Hyper-threading though (SB i5 2500k)

 

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Strix 1080gtx Rog 8Gb Gaming successfully overclocked to 1864 gpu clock and 10068 memory clock with 118% voltage.. higher than the upcoming non-overclocked 1080gtx ti version of my card. I have a 64hz monitor and using Hbao+ instead of Ssao. Turn Ssao off in-game and enable Hbao+ in profile settings on Nvidia Inspector and enjoy the framerate increase and graphics fidelity. Can post my profile settings if you want to see how to disable the crappy Ssao and get the much better Hbao+ which gives a +10fps boost and looks much better.. No problems with fps in cities, stays the same everywhere with dips of max 7fps.

Can I ask you for settings in-game and screenshots?

Hey,

can u explain me how to change to HBAO+ option in the Nvdia inspector pls? ty in advance.

 

regards

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