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The Everlasting Question: TRI Liverto or TRI Kzarka

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Dmg
Kzarka = liverto
Acc
Kzarka > Liverto
 

Actually you should say:

AP ---> Kzarka = Liverto

Acc ---> Kzarka > Liverto

Dmg ---> Kzarka > Liverto

Accuracy affects Dmg.

 

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Well if you plan on being a god tier PvP ultra bro then your question seems kind of silly...  BiS always, otherwise you cant compete, and if that is the goal Kzarka is BiS primary right now.

They look like they might be doing sidegrade equipment what with the new gryphon helm out that gives different stats than giath, more options is better.  They may do that in the future with Kzarka too...  so I dunno.

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I recently got my Kzarka to TRI and with a TRI Liverto i cannot sell atm (marketplace price is below the min price i can set) I did some testing without gear and with full gear and even with awakening. I got to the conclusion that their dmg output ist nearly the same with Kzarka slightly ahead in all situations. My theory concerning this is that Kzarka as a golden weapon has a higher chance to get better roles in the dmg calculation (concerning the 106 - 110 dmg).

Accuracywise its also a minor increase according to some maths I found.

Playing Valk I got my Kzarka mainly to get my avoidance helmet crystals, since you are playing an attackspeed class thats something you can do anyway and I dont think you need. 

Conclusion: Go Kzarka if you want the best weapon possible and Liverto to get your weapon faster and to save money.

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Thank you for your response. I appreciate the thoughts. Yes, I plan to be a godly PVP player someday, however the Kunoichi class may be as it is really unpopular. Contrary to its reputation though, a lot of high-end Kunoichi said that they are very satisfied with their PVP performance, but that is with about 500 gear scores though.

Thank you. I have read this some time before but I really did not understand what was going on in the spreadsheet. I did understand that he was testing how the main hand affects the awakening damage but what I did grasp from it was between the 18-22AP and 28-32AP weapons, there was about 1.5% difference in terms of damage.

Edit:

What i meant was, I do not see if the conclusion of this test provides an insight if the differences are significant, or negligible.

The first test was made with two main weapon with 10 AP difference between the two and showed about 30 dmg increase. Now Imagine if the AP were 100. Can you still say the differences are not significant?

Not trying to convince you of course, but the question was if the mainhand was affecting the awakening dmg and the answer, despite some people still don't believe it, is yes.

Just gonna quote myself from my reply to that reddit post:

The first two tests are actually almost irrelevant to awakenings. This is because awakenings use 0% of the base +0 AP of a weapon, then 50% of the AP gained from enchanting it.

So basically, what all this testing shows is that:

1 - Crystal AP affects awakenings. This was already well-known and not disputed.

2 - Rosar has higher Acc than Demihuman. Again, already known, but not really well-known, so that's cool I guess.

3 - Going Ultimate adds a good amount of Acc to Styd. Never knew that, so cool!

It shows nothing whatsoever about main-hand:awakening AP.

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its not really everlasting. Kzarka is BIS but not by a ginormous marigin. you'll do fine with TRI Liverto in PVP as well.

the way to decide what to go for is literally dependant on your income. Got 300+ mill income a week. go for kzarka and enjoy the benifits

make less than that, prioritize Liverto first you arent missing THAT much.

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Just gonna quote myself from my reply to that reddit post:

The first two tests are actually almost irrelevant to awakenings. This is because awakenings use 0% of the base +0 AP of a weapon, then 50% of the AP gained from enchanting it.

So basically, what all this testing shows is that:

1 - Crystal AP affects awakenings. This was already well-known and not disputed.

2 - Rosar has higher Acc than Demihuman. Again, already known, but not really well-known, so that's cool I guess.

3 - Going Ultimate adds a good amount of Acc to Styd. Never knew that, so cool!

It shows nothing whatsoever about main-hand:awakening AP.

Sorry I don't get what you are saying. The question was if some ap from mainhad get carried over to increase the awakening dmg. The answer is yes. It's there to see.

"This is because awakenings use 0% of the base +0 AP of a weapon, then 50% of the AP gained from enchanting it." , how can you say then that it shows nothing?

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Sorry I don't get what you are saying. The question was if some ap from mainhad get carried over to increase the awakening dmg. The answer is yes. It's there to see.

"This is because awakenings use 0% of the base +0 AP of a weapon, then 50% of the AP gained from enchanting it." , how can you say then that it shows nothing?

I don't get your confusion about what I'm saying... He tested with +0 weapons. +0 weapons provide 0 AP to awakenings. The tiny damage increases came from Accuracy differences, except in the 3rd test.

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I don't get your confusion about what I'm saying... He tested with +0 weapons. +0 weapons provide 0 AP to awakenings. The tiny damage increases came from Accuracy differences, except in the 3rd test.

From the reddit post:

First I tested Styd Longsword(12-22AP) vs Ultimate Styd Longsword(28-32AP), there is no accuracy in the description of the weapon so I picked it first. There is a 10AP difference between the two.

Styd Longsword(12-22AP) Average Damage - 1549

Ultimate Styd Longsword(28-32AP) Average Damage - 1578.3

 

No accuracy involved. Damage was different because there was a 10 ap difference. Even if weapons were +0. I'm not the confused one pal.

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From the reddit post:

First I tested Styd Longsword(12-22AP) vs Ultimate Styd Longsword(28-32AP), there is no accuracy in the description of the weapon so I picked it first. There is a 10AP difference between the two.

Styd Longsword(12-22AP) Average Damage - 1549

Ultimate Styd Longsword(28-32AP) Average Damage - 1578.3

 

No accuracy involved. Damage was different because there was a 10 ap difference. Even if weapons were +0. I'm not the confused one pal.

I don't even...

3 - Going Ultimate adds a good amount of Acc to Styd. Never knew that, so cool!

I mean, you do realize that both of those weapons have Accuracy, right? Because every main-hand does. So why assume that it can't be different between the base and Ultimate versions? Especially in this case, where it's not even a real Ultimate.

And if it were the AP, why does 7 AP from crystals give 81 damage while 13 AP from Ultimate Styd gives 29? That'd be only ~20% AP from the main-hand, which is demonstrably false when using an enchanted weapon. Please actually, y'know, think about what I'm saying (let alone test it for yourself...) before assuming that it's wrong, because I've tested this before (and seen other tests by other people, which I've linked many times but people continue to ignore, so...) and I know that I'm right.

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There are currently 105 tri liverto short swords at minimum price on the market right now.  Good luck selling that.

there was 80 lliverto bades on the market when I put up my tri. Sold in 3 days

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From the reddit post:

First I tested Styd Longsword(12-22AP) vs Ultimate Styd Longsword(28-32AP), there is no accuracy in the description of the weapon so I picked it first. There is a 10AP difference between the two.

Styd Longsword(12-22AP) Average Damage - 1549

Ultimate Styd Longsword(28-32AP) Average Damage - 1578.3

 

No accuracy involved. Damage was different because there was a 10 ap difference. Even if weapons were +0. I'm not the confused one pal.

Not sure if this has any impact on conclusions, but I tested an Azwell Shortsword (18-22) and then a TRI Kzarka Shortsword (yes I got it, 106-110) AP. Did a S + RMB attack on a friend and the difference was insane. He had 100AP/100DP and my skill went from 282 (Azwell) to 898. 

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Thank god witch/wizard doesn't have to worry about this.

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Thank god witch/wizard doesn't have to worry about this.

Wow good for you let me kiss you.

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Wow good for you let me kiss you.

I prefer to have my starfish kissed. 

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IMO in the short term you are better off with a Liverto and spending the extra 200m on a few duo accessories. 

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