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Bidding for items on the marketplace.


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Greetings to all GMs,

I wanted to bring you to the attention that bidding on the marketplace should be fixed. Having to bid for nearly a month now, how is any player able to even buy the item that they want instead we are stuck with this "click as fast as you can to buy the item you want" game when you can't see who is outbidding you. This makes it very annoying. Staying at the marketplace for about 7 hours a day or even staying up 6 days in a week is just too painful for a player to withstand. Please fix the bidding because as it stands, it sucks really bad. Suggestion, make an "auction" house specifically for bidding so that you are able to see numbers and keep it separate from the marketplace.

Sincerely,

A really poor player

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I agree, bidding should be a separate feature somehow.  If something is available to buy, then let a player buy it.  Wow does this very well.  BDO could learn a lot from Blizzard's Auction House.  They have the best in the world, in my humble opinion.  This market place that DUAM has is difficult to deal with.  I try to buy as fast as I can click and next thing I know, I have to start bidding.  Then I have to click more to refresh through the bidding screens so I can get back to BUYING.  I enchant a lot so I'm buying a lot of armor, weapons and stones over and over.  I'm only making a statement of how it is for me.  I respectfully ask for an improvement.  Thanks!

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You guys don't understand how the bidding system works apparently. It has nothing to with speed anymore.

You bid on the item, wait for the bidding to end, and then check if you won the item and can purchase it.

"Failed to purchase item" = You did not win the item. The winner did not yet buy the item and it might fall through to open market.

"Item already sold" = You did not win the item. The winner already purchased the item.

And of course then there is the success when you just get the item.

IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED, JUST LUCK

 

Daecy's is a separate problem and it's a real problem. Items that are already on the marketplace in reasonable quantities should not enter bid state at all. Hopefully they will fix this.

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Greetings,

I understand it is mostly RNG based for bidding for this game, based on the winner; however, at the end of the sentence I also noted that "when you can't see who is outbidding you." The very definition of bidding is "offer (a certain price) for something, especially at an auction" (google). When you define auction, "a public sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest bidder" (google). I am stressing the words "to the highest bidder." Black Desert's system is a very a hypocritical opinion of what bidding at an auction means, when you don't even know who is outbidding you. In this case, Black Desert's "bidding" is nothing more than click bait on a random generated numbering system that the player may only hope they get it nothing more nothing less. This is what I meant by "Click as fast as you can," because technically you are within that 20 seconds time frame to win the item. However, when the,

"'Failed to purchase item" = You did not win the item. The winner did not yet buy the item and it might fall through to open market.

"Item already sold" = You did not win the item. The winner already purchased the item.'"


notices Does not pop-up everyone is at a stalemate to "Click as fast as you can" to click the "Buy" button.

So, overall Black Desert needs to fix this ignorant system that they call "bidding," and placing a separate software program called "auction house" is more reasonable to what a bidding really means. As it stands, this bidding system is at the farthest place in the universe as to what a bid really means. Might as well put the stupid button called "Bid" and re-write the source code as "click to try to win."

Sincerely,

A super poor player

 

Edited by CrazyLime

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You have to realize the devs have gone out of their way to offer us a marketplace that won't be dominated by the super rich. That's why you can't pre-order certain items like pearl store stuff, can only pre-order one stack at a time, why pre-ordered items sometime slip through the pre-orders and go to bidding and then free market.

That's also why there's no bidding system where the highest bidder wins.

Trust me, if you're really a super poor player you're much better off with this system than a straight-up free market. You wouldn't be able to buy anything worthwhile, ever.

 

Edited by Thomas Gore
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You guys don't understand how the bidding system works apparently. It has nothing to with speed anymore.

You bid on the item, wait for the bidding to end, and then check if you won the item and can purchase it.

"Failed to purchase item" = You did not win the item. The winner did not yet buy the item and it might fall through to open market.

"Item already sold" = You did not win the item. The winner already purchased the item.

And of course then there is the success when you just get the item.

IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED, JUST LUCK

 

Daecy's is a separate problem and it's a real problem. Items that are already on the marketplace in reasonable quantities should not enter bid state at all. Hopefully they will fix this.

Wonder if you noticed the error in this.

If you bid, then you bid, but in BDO, if you bid, then some RNG decides whether you win or not... erm sorry? If I decide to bid 25% more for an item then the current market value (or the price the seller wants), then it is mine, no matter how many other players "want that item". Thats actualy how "auctioning" and "bidding" work.

Speed DOES matter: bidding for a stackable item (like sharp black stone), after the bid is over and you "won" you actualy have to enter the number of stones you want to buy, but if you are not fast enough, the item is gone.

And for the love of god, BDO should stop to manipulate the prices. At some time, there were 20.000+ blackstones in the auction house and rising, and the price was rising too... wtf, noone was buying the damn stones, yet the price went up?

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Wonder if you noticed the error in this.

If you bid, then you bid, but in BDO, if you bid, then some RNG decides whether you win or not... erm sorry? If I decide to bid 25% more for an item then the current market value (or the price the seller wants), then it is mine, no matter how many other players "want that item". Thats actualy how "auctioning" and "bidding" work.

Speed DOES matter: bidding for a stackable item (like sharp black stone), after the bid is over and you "won" you actualy have to enter the number of stones you want to buy, but if you are not fast enough, the item is gone.

And for the love of god, BDO should stop to manipulate the prices. At some time, there were 20.000+ blackstones in the auction house and rising, and the price was rising too... wtf, noone was buying the damn stones, yet the price went up?

Semantics. Bidding in BDO works like bidding in BDO works. They don't give a flying ----- how it works in other games or in RL.

Good point on the stackable item bidding though. The current system is pretty poorly suited for that indeed.

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Maybe they should change the description and thats it. You know, a word is a word, they can not redefine what a word means just because it fits their BDO narrative. I actualy do not care much whether the BDO system is good or not, it is fine, but then again, when I read about auction and bidding, I expect an auction and bid system :).

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Hmm, from what I'm seeing from this conversation is that people are too scared for change, just enjoy the bidding as is, or too lazy to understand the new change in a bidding system if it did update.

*Keep in mind that BDO is a bit far from Pay to Win, I also understand you can sell pearl items for silver. However, if you look at the price ranges to sell pearl items you are not really getting what you spent with real money. For instance, $30 for a 2-3k costume and selling it for 25 million silver is definitely a scam, that's right i said it, and it really is even when you do have those discounts on holidays. This is another great suggestion for you BDO administrators, keep the pearl price the same, but increase the item's silver value  by 40-60 million if you do plan on going the "pay to win" route. You are still getting the same statistical production value for real money if you are trying to produce money to be rich and game production. * I am placing this statement of mine in here since it plays a huge role in the marketplace and because of the fact that I am able to make more than 20 million silver a week to even get a pearl item after that it is just click to win a pearl item. This should also get fixed.

So, even though people on the opposing force is just agreeing to disagree on this topic. I will also state some possibilities for the topic I suggested. I am assuming these are the reasons why:

Pros and cons for opposing force:
1) Know something about the marketplace that we don't.
2) Rich players are willing to pay a hefty sum to get the item while bidding. (ex. 100mil PRI Liverto, player bids 1 billion silver to get the item.)
3) They have a lot of patience in getting items they want when it does come around. (and I mean lots)
4) They are able to bribe another player with a couple pearl item to post the item that they want and also provide the amount of money for that item when buying.
5) They are outsourcing their game play hours to get the item they want by paying real money. (Paying someone else to play the game for them to get an item).
6) They technically just like the RNG bidding, when they don't know if they won the item or not, and they like to click fast.
7) Find it ignorant that a new player that bought the game yesterday now has an item they earned to pay for a few or couple weeks later. (which is reasonable, since they got the money and they bought the item with their own cash)
8) Find it ignorant that getting outbid by another player makes them salty in an auction. Assuming the "auction" was set in place. (This doesn't make sense since the player who outbid you lost all that money they bought the item for and now has to earn it again)
9)  They just wanted to comment on this topic to disagree, since topics need an opposing force. (life isn't heaven, you got pros and cons basically~)


Now here are some Pros and Cons for people who are FOR a separate area known as "auction house."
1) Rich players are able to buy whatever they want, at the cost of losing the large amount of silver they just bid for; however, not as much as they are spending now since they are able to "See" the values.
2) Poor players aren't able to purchase items that they want due to the fact that they don't have enough money to outbid the other player. (Easy problem to solve if you just play the game more and earn more silver, *people don't have infinite silver unless you hack or you outsource your game play.) => Daum can always ban you from the game or you just lose your account, easy as that.
3) This allows for a equality of bidding in a game, since you are either losing and gaining silver. (Buyer becomes poorer and Seller becomes richer).
4) This doesn't defeat the purpose that this is how a real bid should be like, unlike the current system where you can't see who outbid you.
5) Don't have to deal with a RNG and hoping to get the item.
6) Don't have to deal with the approximation of the item's value
7) Daum is able to track gold sellers faster and ban players who actually buy silver with real money.
8) People get angry that they are unable to get the item they want, because of money issues.
9) Game starts leaning towards more on Pay to Win.

I have added a poll for who is leaning no or yes towards a new system known as auction house where you can see the values of bidding from other players.
 

https://goo.gl/d4HVsC

Edited by CrazyLime

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i simply pre-order the item i want at nearly double the price and i usually win.  

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and I pre-order the item I want, then not win it, and when I check the AH for the last sold price/time, it shows the item sold for 20% less than I preordered it for...  This has now happened 15 times on an item that has only ever sold 16 times in the AH, and I have updated my preorder price as the price has increased on the item.

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and I pre-order the item I want, then not win it, and when I check the AH for the last sold price/time, it shows the item sold for 20% less than I preordered it for...  This has now happened 15 times on an item that has only ever sold 16 times in the AH, and I have updated my preorder price as the price has increased on the item.

Dude, 20% is nothing in pre-order world. If you want at least a slight chance at winning refer to this guy/gal;

i simply pre-order the item i want at nearly double the price and i usually win.  

 

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My guild mate preordered an item for double the max price in the marketplace.  I put in the exact number of given item in the Marketplace and it went straight to bid.  Now, I got my silver so it shouldn't matter to me, but it does because had she not needed the item, I would never have put it in the Marketplace.  Daum needs to fix the entire bidding and preorder system so that preorders don't "accidentally" slip through the cracks and make it onto the marketplace.

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My guild mate preordered an item for double the max price in the marketplace.  I put in the exact number of given item in the Marketplace and it went straight to bid.  Now, I got my silver so it shouldn't matter to me, but it does because had she not needed the item, I would never have put it in the Marketplace.  Daum needs to fix the entire bidding and preorder system so that preorders don't "accidentally" slip through the cracks and make it onto the marketplace.

its not "accidentally", its there to give people who can't pre-order as much as others to give chance to buy them

the market RNGs rather it would go to the pre-order or not, if it does, it goes to highest pre-order money, if it goes to market, you know what it is xD bid and hope your luck can buy it. I personally think its great system for poor player especially who started not too long. 

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They should have a failstacking system on lost bids to increase the odds slightly every time you lose a bid. 

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What pisses me off is when I have to f@#$ing spend 10-15minutes to buy weaponstones that have 4,000+ or more up and for some goddamn reason there's a bid system going on and I can't buy what I need. I spend countless hours trying to buy items that have thousands up, its tedious and terrible design. Fix your shit.

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