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Kutum Vs Nouver

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Okay.

So, for the Boss Sub-Weapon.

 

is this Correct information?

 

1. If you can make over 220 AP with Kutum, then go with Kutum Not the Nouver.

2. Kutum is better than Nouver for PVE.

3. Nouver is better than Kutum for PVP.

4. Kutum's DP option is not that great comparing to Nouver's Pure AP because the BDO DP system is pointless.

5. Kutum's Extra ACC option is great for PVE, especially, if you are grinding at higher level mob places.

6. Nouver's Pure AP option might give u a better chance to kill your enemy(PVP) than Kutum

    because sometimes your enemy can live with very low HP and run away from you.

 

 

 

Which one Do you Prefer to use for Boss-Sub weapons?

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Why don't we all learn to think for ourselves, at which point we can figure out which offhand is best suited for our gear, playstyle, etc. Instead of parroting off vast generalizations we heard from someone on a forum who heard it from someone who has a Korean friend who claims X is best and has done testing with no proof whatsoever?

 

hmmm

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Most people now (even in kr) are using kutum in pve/pvp. For pve there was a test done between all the offhands and kutum won.

For pvp it depends on your overall gear but kutum is the best bet since its what you will use "endgame".

I feel like nouver is only good for pveing when you grind things like sausans at lvl 59.

Why don't we all learn to think for ourselves, at which point we can figure out which offhand is best suited for our gear, playstyle, etc. Instead of parroting off vast generalizations we heard from someone on a forum who heard it from someone who has a Korean friend who claims X is best and has done testing with no proof whatsoever?

 

hmmm

Kinda hard to think for yourself when there is no number to go on by (in-game) Instead we have posts of people that tested both weapon for hours.

So yes instead of wasting 500M just to test a weapon ill trust the Videos and posts of people doing tests for me.

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Okay.

So, for the Boss Sub-Weapon.

 

is this Correct information?

 

1. If you can make over 220 AP with Kutum, then go with Kutum Not the Nouver.

2. Kutum is better than Nouver for PVE.

3. Nouver is better than Kutum for PVP.

4. Kutum's DP option is not that great comparing to Nouver's Pure AP because the BDO DP system is pointless.

5. Kutum's Extra ACC option is great for PVE, especially, if you are grinding at higher level mob places.

6. Nouver's Pure AP option might give u a better chance to kill your enemy(PVP) than Kutum

    because sometimes your enemy can live with very low HP and run away from you.

 

 

 

Which one Do you Prefer to use for Boss-Sub weapons?

Class plays a big part.  If your class has tons of accuracy on skills, Kutum will gimp you unless you are going for a hybrid build with extra DP.  Some classes need that extra accuracy along with acc accessories.

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As a warrior I feel like Nouver is better for small scale pvp, as well as all pve outside of pila ku jail/akhman etc. I'd still use kutum for sieges and node war.

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i searched bunch of information from forum and KR websites.

But seems like there is still no clear Answer for this topic.

Everyone has really different ideas.

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Some classes have different accuracy requirements as mentioned. Your skills have multiple hit counts and with low accuracy high AP, you'll miss a lot and therefore your skills will do less damage overall. For instance, warriors have pretty good bonus accuracy on their awakened skills, while sorcs/maehwas have less if any. I'm still curious as to why people haven't tried the double TRI/TET red coral earring route combined with Nouver(At least I haven't seen data). You sacrifice a bit of AP(+BSR from Tungrade) on earring slots for a good amount of accuracy but make largely up for it with 14 more AP on offhand (TRI Nouver vs TRI Kutum). *Ignoring the DP and resistance ignore which are good bonuses*

If someone could test:

1x TRI RCE + Kutum 

2x TRI RCE + Nouver

In PvE Valencia, small scale PvP and large scale PvP, that would be really nice as I was planning on going with the double RCE + Nouver route once I could get my hands on the offhand.

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I simply have TRI Nouver right now as that's what I received as a drop, and am planning to acquire Red Coral Earrings to patch up the accuracy issue. Even one RCE gives more accuracy than Kutum, I understand. I figure in PvE Nouver also might be good for the resistance 'cause it'll save you time when you're not that much cc'd and will keep you safer when you're grinding in high-level areas, but it might be negligible.

Right now I'm not planning to get my hands on a Kutum for a minor sidegrade, 'cause as you've noticed there doesn't seem to be any clear consensus on the matter, so you're likely not making a HUGE mistake going with either of them, really.

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1. If you can make over 220 AP with Kutum, then go with Kutum Not the Nouver. -As long as you have enough accuracy you can use Nouver

2. Kutum is better than Nouver for PVE.- This is backwards since more AP in pve is better to grind, accuracy isn't as critical

3. Nouver is better than Kutum for PVP._ Backwards you want the accuracy to make sure you hit, unless you've capped your Acc which is doubtful may change when we get the 12% accuracy buff on heavens echo

4. Kutum's DP option is not that great comparing to Nouver's Pure AP because the BDO DP system is pointless.- You want some DP for pvp or you'll get squashed in one hit

5. Kutum's Extra ACC option is great for PVE, especially, if you are grinding at higher level mob places.- don't really need ACC for pve and if you do.. you're farming mobs to high to be effective

6. Nouver's Pure AP option might give u a better chance to kill your enemy(PVP) than Kutum- again comes down to ACC you can have 300ap and zero accuracy and miss majority of the time.

    because sometimes your enemy can live with very low HP and run away from you.

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 Even one RCE gives more accuracy than Kutum,

how can u know.

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how can u know.

I've read claims that Kutum's accuracy is very little, or just not working at all, and numbers like 5 Acc for TRI Kutum being thrown around. Very low, essentially. And we know for sure that TRI Red Coral Earring has 6 Acc, so that's why.

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would like to eventually use Kutum to stack -30% ignore resist with Kutum + 2 Black Magic Precision crystals

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I've read claims that Kutum's accuracy is very little, or just not working at all, and numbers like 5 Acc for TRI Kutum being thrown around. Very low, essentially. And we know for sure that TRI Red Coral Earring has 6 Acc, so that's why.

Reading claims-That's the issue with this game.  Everything is always secret in a casino.

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Most of the statements said in OP are wrong, dunno how you did your research, but it feels like you mixed up the two offhands. Anyways, Kutum is almost always better. Even if you have red coral earrings. You can never have enough Accuracy. The only reason why people think Nouver is still the king because kr used it for a long time before getting Kutum in their version, and pure ap looks more appealing than the hidden accuracy, even if it's not that much on Kutum. Not to mention the CC resistance ignore.

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for the Information, I used the BDO Inven which is the Korean Website.

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I've read claims that Kutum's accuracy is very little, or just not working at all, and numbers like 5 Acc for TRI Kutum being thrown around. Very low, essentially. And we know for sure that TRI Red Coral Earring has 6 Acc, so that's why.

so u know nothing right?

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i searched bunch of information from forum and KR websites.

But seems like there is still no clear Answer for this topic.

Everyone has really different ideas.

that's kind of the point :\

you're not going to get a consensus here either

you're going to have to try both to know the answer for yourself

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I've read claims that Kutum's accuracy is very little, or just not working at all, and numbers like 5 Acc for TRI Kutum being thrown around. Very low, essentially. And we know for sure that TRI Red Coral Earring has 6 Acc, so that's why.

So all you heard was peoples opinions I wouldn't base that on anything.

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so u know nothing right?

So all you heard was peoples opinions I wouldn't base that on anything.

They did tests and based their opinions on that, some on this very forum. You do tests and prove 'em wrong. Burden of proof is on you now.

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Make up your mind yourself and think about what suits your class most. I'm a ninja and we have high dmg by default but need every bit of accuracy you can get your hands on. We are very vulnerable in big scale PvP so every bit of defensiveness helps. And this applies to pretty much all classes: you want to land your cc so the ignore resistance is helpful too. You might've figured I'm gonna go the Kutum route. I plan to get a Nouver at one point or another for PvE though or for weaker people in PvP that can hardly touch you anyways, would probably occur in node-and siegewars often. And against such people the resistance would be extra helpful because they can only touch you with CC, but not burst you down.

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They did tests and based their opinions on that, some on this very forum. You do tests and prove 'em wrong. Burden of proof is on you now.

Well it would be if you posted your source

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Well it would be if you posted your source

Sure, I'll help you out. "kutum accuracy test site:forum.blackdesertonline.com"

I wonder why people always find Google so hard to use.

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i searched bunch of information from forum and KR websites.

But seems like there is still no clear Answer for this topic.

Everyone has really different ideas.

The thing is many just repeat what they have heard, others just think AP is king so don't consider anything else.

The hard part, but most of life is like this, is finding the people that actually know what they are talking about as they have extensively tested things and listen to them.

These threads are great for sparking discussion but it's very difficult to find "accurate" information that you can rely on.

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Sure, I'll help you out. "kutum accuracy test site:forum.blackdesertonline.com"

I wonder why people always find Google so hard to use.

Because "google for it" isn't the same as posting your source. You may have skipped that class in school

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Because "google for it" isn't the same as posting your source. You may have skipped that class in school

Pretty sure learning to Google WAS part of the curriculum, though. But since you insist, from the first page, in order:

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