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So someone who used P2W just passed me??

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I watched his stream last night farming pirates, I dont get it, when he opened his inventory he had 120AP. How is he out gearing you, if you've played 8 months and still haven't reached 120AP aren't you doing something wrong? Or did I miss something??

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Yay lets start another p2w crytrain

tshuka tshuka tshuka tshuka tshuu tshuuu~

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So I was watching Klerics stream https://www.twitch.tv/klericvezax

Funny thing is that this guy haven't played this game in like 8 months and then he returns and YET has better gear than me even though I've been very active months. How the **** is this possible?

Just to be in picture I have visited this (up till now for me unknown) twitch channel to see the brutal stats dedicated PtW can get you.

And I have to say - I was SHOCKED!!!!

To make it easier for all others here is the screenshot from last stream of this guy:

twitch.thumb.png.ee547b972e94c22c2016105

All this butthurt whine because of this??

I am literally speechless....

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You have same future today in World of Warcraft, but no one complain because it's a "western" MMO. WoW is today a MMO there Activision milk so much money they can from the player. You must Buy to Play (B2P), then Buy to Play expansion (B2P x2), then Pay to Play (P2P), and in the end you can buy Gold (30Euro for 1 TradeCard = 72,000 Gold, Blizzard have instructions for that in AH). For Gold you can buy a spot in Mythic raids (see in trade channel) and get the best top end gear. P2W x2...

In every MMO you have little of P2W. Mostly of the player accept it so long it only little. In BDO we have not see any changes in player base after the costume selling, only two player in our guild have quit the game for that reason (2 of 80!). The servers is still full of player who love this game. 

The people who whine looks like be mostly player who play "7/24", player without any work/school etc. Maybe many computer game abusers. But it looks like this whining group is afraid, afraid that they lose some of their advantage of the other player who can't (or don't want) play so much. Many of them complain that "their many hour of work/grinding in the game" have lesser value. Many of those player looks like that the only money they have invest in the game is when they buy the game (B2P). Then they don't want, or can't spent more money in the game. But they expect they can get expansion and all new and support things free after that. They expect other player (employees people) put in more money so we can get new stuff in the game. But they are afraid they lose their advantage, and requires they should keep their advantage. Without their advantage, and without a promise to keep their advantage, they leave the game.
I say, let this slackers leave the game!

It's very sad that people compare "P2W" in WoW to P2W in BDO. PVP in WoW has equalized gear.

BDO on the other hand is all about PVP, all about gear. Gear is this games "end-game", there's nothing more into it. Using money WILL get you an advantage in this games PVP, simple as that.

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Just to be in picture I have visited this (up till now for me unknown) twitch channel to see the brutal stats dedicated PtW can get you.

And I have to say - I was SHOCKED!!!!

To make it easier for all others here is the screenshot from last stream of this guy:

twitch.thumb.png.ee547b972e94c22c2016105

All this butthurt whine because of this??

I am literally speechless....

really if this is what he is talking about..

or the OP isn't talking about this gear or probably he plays the game in a wrong way,
i never paid a cent(except the game itself) im  not even play a lot (only 25days since the launch) but i have better gear of this dude he is complaining :/

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I suggest that we get a Forum for "P2W discussion only". You can buy a pass in the Pearl shop, to get access to that forum for 30$

 

 

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I suggest that we get a Forum for "P2W discussion only". You can buy a pass in the Pearl shop, to get access to that forum for 30$

 

 

best idea so far

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People play games to escape reality. It's reasonable to assume that people get mad when games get progressively more tied to real life.

Just kids get mad over a game, bringing their sad real life to a game when they compare themself with others because "they have more than me, why i'm not the best in this game just because i spend lot of time in it?". This is how market works, the company wants real money, even if it's bad for the players.
If you can't deal with a real market get an offline game or stop comparing yourself and just play the game because you enjoy it, not because you're better than someone. 
(And don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you're a kid or that kind of person, i'm talking in general)

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Please give me an example of SOMEONE who has made billions by spending all their IRL money on artisan memories and enchanting. Where do you even get this idea from? Theory?

im not going to point fingers at any one, but I know for a fact theres people have spent over $15,000 on the game.

they max their outfits per week.

use the money to buy black stones/frags/hards/sharps

then they use artisan to enhance boss gear up to TRI /TETand sell it

any high failstacks they get as a byproduct they use to enhance their own gear

and all money they make off enhancing and flipping goes right back into another piece

 

worst case scenario they build failstacks for their gear and come close to breaking even on silver

best case they make 600 mil profit of a tet

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happens easy a person playing first month could outgear a person say playing 6 months due to the hidden char and account luck roll on that person.

they dont even need to p2w for the account char rng.

also I have seen first monthers hit like 180ap 175awakening and like 250dp in one month.

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I've spent over 1500 and my gear not even full +15

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im not going to point fingers at any one, but I know for a fact theres people have spent over $15,000 on the game.

they max their outfits per week.

use the money to buy black stones/frags/hards/sharps

then they use artisan to enhance boss gear up to TRI /TETand sell it

any high failstacks they get as a byproduct they use to enhance their own gear

and all money they make off enhancing and flipping goes right back into another piece

 

worst case scenario they build failstacks for their gear and come close to breaking even on silver

best case they make 600 mil profit of a tet

This is something that "P2W-defenders" and new players don't usually even realize. It is a mechanic where there's NO LIMIT. Thus making EU/NA even worse P2W than Korea. Korea has 300$ monthly limit on cash shop items due to their law.

I used to be one of those P2W-defenders back in last year, when they implemented costume selling. It turned out to be not a big deal, not P2W at all. But over the time, every patch, there are more and more new elements.

This is so f*cked up. Buy-to-play game, which turns out to be even worse P2W than free-to-play versions elsewhere. New P2W elements implemented nearly every patch, slowly, but steadily. That is literally pathetic.

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So I was watching Klerics stream https://www.twitch.tv/klericvezax

Funny thing is that this guy haven't played this game in like 8 months and then he returns and YET has better gear than me even though I've been very active months. How the **** is this possible?

Well reason is simple. It's because there are some rich players who can spend 3000 euros like it's dirt. They would example buy Artisan's Memory and they never have to worry about failing enchants. Do you wonder why there are so many TET weapons in market for 1bil? Now you know why. Meanwhile I have to spend fortune on Memory Fragments.

It's also ridiculous that you can example buy value packs irl cash and I can't even snipe one from market because it's never there. I spent all day trying to compete to get it and I never did. Meanwhile people with irl cash can just grind them all day long without ever spend time looking at market.

I feel your pain.

I did a test with my wife. We both sat at the MP one weekend all day for 3 days ( at least 10 hours a day. ). Yes, we were doing other things on our second monitor, but we never missed a VP pack that popped up.  VP's were popping up every minute or two and we never got one!  Sometimes many would pop up at once, and nothing!  We watched the sale count and hundreds upon hundreds were being sold while we were trying to get one. Nothing!

It should NOT be this hard!

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Im in a casual guild. Quite a few people have cushy jobs, play a limited time during peak hours yada yada. everyone P2Ws almost constantly through art mems for enchants. Funny thing is, 4 of them went on a long break just this month because they spent over 300$ individually  on artisans memories and they dont have jack shit to show for it, just a set of armour at about PRI/DUO.
One other friend simply quit the game after spending 500$ on art mems over the course of 3 months and his Nouver and Dandi havent dinged TRI even once. and these are stats for just this month. Each month is filled with people who chose to P2W and lost real money. At the end of it, i firmly believe you are more likely to fail rather than succeed even if you P2W. so honestly you P2Lose.

Honestly, anyone reading up OP and thinking of dropping dough into artisans memories, Please rethink your decision. there is a flip side to the coin as well and this is pretty much it.

happens easy a person playing first month could outgear a person say playing 6 months due to the hidden char and account luck roll on that person.

they dont even need to p2w for the account char rng.

also I have seen first monthers hit like 180ap 175awakening and like 250dp in one month.

That is true, we do it in our casual guild by helping new players. A veterans Knowledge is literally gold for new players. Latest stats, Player joined the game 12 days ago and was 80/90 when he joined us on day 5. Now he is 120/150. hopefully 160-180/200 by the end of the month if he keeps up with our advice.

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Yes, enchanting is always gambling. But still, players who buy limitless artisans memories, are in huge advantage over non-paying players. ON AVERAGE. There will always be lucky and unlucky players. But you can't argue the facts if you use couple individuals as an example. That's not how probability math works.

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People play games to escape reality. It's reasonable to assume that people get mad when games get progressively more tied to real life.

That's an interesting approach to reason against perceived "p2w". Interesting because this really goes both ways:

When games such as BDO heavily favor time-investment, they become just as much tied to real-life. World boss spawn times? Node wars times? Limited availability of grind-spots in relation to primetime? Traveling time in the game (see new content)? Amount of resources required to casino-upgrade gear past TRI? Excuse me, but all these things HEAVILY tie into real-life. I would even go as far as saying that if you wish to remain competitive in a game like this, you have to "nolife" to a degree I personally no longer consider desirable.

The usual answer to this usually is "git gud", pick another game or anecdotal evidence of people claiming to have a job yet still compete with the top. As for the latter, one can only assume that - delusions aside - it's some kind of upstart part-time job and they got no other hobbies or obligations. To me, this still qualifies as nolifing. But most importantly, this is tied to real-life. Some people have the time to waste, some people have the money to waste, some might have a combination of the two.

Following your lines of reasoning, it's fine for people to get mad when investing money into a game gets rewarded. However, it's not fine for people to get mad when investing simple time * gets rewarded. As I've explained above, both is tied to real-life. In this particular case, with the perceived "p2w" being rather limited, being able to spend a lot of time on the game creates a bigger advantage than being able to spend a lot of money on the game does. Yet there is topic after topic with complaints about "p2w". Why is there not a similar amount of topics with complaints about how people not supporting the game through monetary means can still keep the upper hand? Freeloading the game is not what will keep the servers running.

 

 

* Clarification: "Simple time" in this context means that you can - even must - progress through time-investment unrelated to player skill. This is different from other games that feature skill-based content and high skill-ceiling.

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Just to be in picture I have visited this (up till now for me unknown) twitch channel to see the brutal stats dedicated PtW can get you.

And I have to say - I was SHOCKED!!!!

To make it easier for all others here is the screenshot from last stream of this guy:

twitch.thumb.png.ee547b972e94c22c2016105

All this butthurt whine because of this??

I am literally speechless....

I was absent from the game at the end of April and came back 6.5 months later I return and got the returnee loyalty attendance calendar. Scored me decent amount of silver plus blackstones and pretty much I ended up with better gears than this guy OP is talking about. My valk has a low gear score but it's a lot better than this guy's even though I could've gotten it higher if I wanted (142/133/209), but I made a witch for more efficient farming (bought a zaka staff for her instead of a zaka sword for my valk).

The aid that the returnee calendar gives you is very helpful (especially if you got lucky and scored an ogre ring).

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Min wage jobs at 50+ hours a week can barely support living alone. Should he work 24 hours a day?

yes, same thing with bdo, you want to be the best, you gotta put in the time fam, people complain about life because they have poor money management and/or don't want to put in the time so they go and blame the system instead of themselves.

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Just to be in picture I have visited this (up till now for me unknown) twitch channel to see the brutal stats dedicated PtW can get you.

And I have to say - I was SHOCKED!!!!

To make it easier for all others here is the screenshot from last stream of this guy:

twitch.thumb.png.ee547b972e94c22c2016105

All this butthurt whine because of this??

I am literally speechless....

HAHAHAHAH thank you for posting this! i got tears in my eyes.....

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you know, if i just afk for 8 month i would have full tet boss gear as well... without any pearls spent

OP doesn't get this.. Just because someone "quit" BDO doesn't mean their character isn't afk fishing somewhere. After my guild community quit there were still people online everyday, but no longer actively playing. Now that a few of us came back they easily caught up to the rest of the server with all the silver they were stockpiling..

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OP doesn't get this.. Just because someone "quit" BDO doesn't mean their character isn't afk fishing somewhere. After my guild community quit there were still people online everyday, but no longer actively playing. Now that a few of us came back they easily caught up to the rest of the server with all the silver they were stockpiling..

pretty much yea, some of my guildies just blow up their shit and afk for months before coming back to buy and blow up more shit... but these ppl are the ones with tet and 230+ ap....

HOWEVER op isnt even talking about full tet boss gear..

THIS is the gear in question from "p2w" lol

Just to be in picture I have visited this (up till now for me unknown) twitch channel to see the brutal stats dedicated PtW can get you.

And I have to say - I was SHOCKED!!!!

To make it easier for all others here is the screenshot from last stream of this guy:

twitch.thumb.png.ee547b972e94c22c2016105

All this butthurt whine because of this??

I am literally speechless....

Edited by Naberios

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Hi,

I want to p2w a tet ogre.

Thank you

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Hi,

I want to p2w a tet ogre.

Thank you

you will be able to get it in a year and half and for roughly 10k usd :) ... that is if someone is selling it... or you can somehow bypass rng

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Just to be in picture I have visited this (up till now for me unknown) twitch channel to see the brutal stats dedicated PtW can get you.

And I have to say - I was SHOCKED!!!!

To make it easier for all others here is the screenshot from last stream of this guy:

twitch.thumb.png.ee547b972e94c22c2016105

All this butthurt whine because of this??

I am literally speechless....

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Edited by KlericVezax

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