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Pvp and this game is a joke

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^ do you even play valk.. sorc ball is literally the easiest ult to deal with.

shield chase, jump or super armor all work fine for dealing with it. 

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I've touched this subject many times on Discord but there are a lot of things this game needs to do if they want PvP to be fun. Currently, PvP works 'best' in a zerg vs zerg scenario. The side with more players (and better gear) wins. 1v1 is rather imbalanced because many mechanics are out of place, imbalanced, and not utilized correct. The issues exist within many of the classes themselves as well as the system we currently have in place. 

Few examples:

There are certain skills in this game that feel rather out of place. Warriors and valks have a 360 superarmor and >180degree frontal block. Frontal guard also work with evades and get stronger the more DR a player stacks. Their only counter is a grab which puts the opponent in a highly vulnerable position. This system of little counter play is extremely unhealthy for the game. A small suggestion I have is to not have superarmor work when attacked from the back. Perhaps a broken shield should stun the opponent like it does in SSB. Even a cooldown in between blocks would make a lot of sense.

Certain mechanics in the game like reduced movement speed debuffs makes no sense at all. The slow mechanic in this game works the same way as it does when a player is over weight. It slows down all of their actions. Players should be prevented from running away, not prevented from fighting back! That is what stuns are for!

CC resistances should be a thing at all. It is painfully obvious that CC success rates change depending on level difference of the player. Level difference provides more CC resistance/cc ignore than equipment/stats do! They need to tone down KD/Stun duration and make CC reliable. Superarmor makes CC completely obsolete as well. CC lock was "fixed" before but it needs LOTS of work.  

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^ do you even play valk.. sorc ball is literally the easiest ult to deal with.

shield chase, jump or super armor all work fine for dealing with it. 

bullshit... when you dont have block up before this spell starts you cant shieldchase it... you cant use the jump - you can use superarmor skills yes but that is not an escape. We have 1skill that can counter it somehow but since you did not list it... 

What you pleb says is: have block up then you can shieldchase out of it... well makes sense since the cc does not hit you in firstplace... 

i wonder all the time what some ppl in this forum say.. are you guys actualy plaiying the game? Do you test stuff? Did you sit down and went to arena with sorcs to try good ways to leave the blackhole? No? K.

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I just wish they'd get rid of the stiffness/stun cancer. KD/slows are effective enough and they're literally all over.

but first and foremost, that desync.

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PvP is honestly the worst implemented part of the game, idk how people can take it seriously. It's a mess in every way.

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I really see PvP as a "one hit game" here in BDO. If you got gear, click one time and other player dies. Don't tell me that you need skills for that.

Git gud, have to be the most lame pvp answer I seen in a MMO. Only proves me that the players saying this, lack of real skill in PvP. Try to fight without your gear and let's how git gud you are or stfu.

PvP classes still need adjustment for sure, and I can only agree on that. Some classes just got better way's to CC then others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I really see PvP as a "one hit game" here in BDO. If you got gear, click one time and other player dies. Don't tell me that you need skills for that.

Git gud, have to be the most lame pvp answer I seen in a MMO. Only proves me that the players saying this, lack of real skill in PvP. Try to fight without your gear and let's how git gud you are or stfu.

PvP classes still need adjustment for sure, and I can only agree on that. Some classes just got better way's to CC then others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good luck playing Tamer with only 'gear' :D 

Ranger and Sorc are skill based too, Warrior and Zerker are not.

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I really see PvP as a "one hit game" here in BDO. If you got gear, click one time and other player dies. Don't tell me that you need skills for that.

Git gud, have to be the most lame pvp answer I seen in a MMO. Only proves me that the players saying this, lack of real skill in PvP. Try to fight without your gear and let's how git gud you are or stfu.

PvP classes still need adjustment for sure, and I can only agree on that. Some classes just got better way's to CC then others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice joke.  This 1 hit meme comes from korea but I can guarantee that even at high ap you will never 1 hit someone stacking evasion. Most likely you will need 2 combo to kill them. Unless you are one of the few priviledge classes that have passive +100 ap because daum have a bad sense of humor.

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He got a point, pvp in this game is not a fun.

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This is why i don't give a F about leveling up or PvP...

This is Farmville 2.0, just staying cause of life skills and worker empire.

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This is why i don't give a F about leveling up or PvP...

This is Farmville 2.0, just staying cause of life skills and worker empire.

If you get -----d in PvP then yes farm away or git gut.

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I enjoy pvp. Aggreed it can b somewhat frustrating from time to time but its still fun

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Good luck playing Tamer with only 'gear' :D 

Ranger and Sorc are skill based too, Warrior and Zerker are not.

Not saying you only need gear, just saying that having the gear does not make you a good PvP player. Experience and pvp skills plus knowing the class does.

Yep, about RangerSorcWarriorZerker thing.

 

Nice joke.  This 1 hit meme comes from korea but I can guarantee that even at high ap you will never 1 hit someone stacking evasion. Most likely you will need 2 combo to kill them. Unless you are one of the few priviledge classes that have passive +100 ap because daum have a bad sense of humor.

Evasion is a way to "protect" yourself in PvP as i see it, because of your class/skills and I abuse it myself. You can still 1 or 2 hit kill many players in the game without even blink, where is the pvp fight here?. If you need 2 clicks or even 3 clicks to kill another player, it's just to easy or boring imo.

It's fun to kill nub's and new player for a time, but the real pvp fight is what we are missing here and where a few with the "git gud" wannabe, tries to think they are super great pvp players, but in reality they just suck to hard at it, kinda ruin for everyone else. Not them to blame for having the best gear in game, but because it leave others who want to PvP out it from the start.

 

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Not saying you only need gear, just saying that having the gear does not make you a good PvP player. Experience and pvp skills plus knowing the class does.

Yep, about RangerSorcWarriorZerker thing.

 

Evasion is a way to "protect" yourself in PvP as i see it, because of your class/skills and I abuse it myself. You can still 1 or 2 hit kill many players in the game without even blink, where is the pvp fight here?. If you need 2 clicks or even 3 clicks to kill another player, it's just to easy or boring imo.

It's fun to kill nub's and new player for a time, but the real pvp fight is what we are missing here and where a few with the "git gud" wannabe, tries to think they are super great pvp players, but in reality they just suck to hard at it, kinda ruin for everyone else. Not them to blame for having the best gear in game, but because it leave others who want to PvP out it from the start.

 

Wat? "Evasion is a way to protect yourself" do you even use logic? So you think it's easyer to play when every little mistake causes your death or when you have to miss play 2 times in a row? I've watched video of this evasion players and they are so  bad that they couldn't even kill a fresh 56 with an ap build.

 

evasion=skilless plebs that zerg and spam grabs

 

 

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Not saying you only need gear, just saying that having the gear does not make you a good PvP player. Experience and pvp skills plus knowing the class does.

Yep, about RangerSorcWarriorZerker thing.

 

Yeah but having gear isn't really making you win every fight. Eg if you are tamer it doesn't matter if u have 200 or 300 dp or even 330 - you will get killed if u do not dodge incoming ccs. Tbh it is same about ranger and other squishy classes but i don't play those so i can't tell. But having experience and knowing the class is basically a description of a skilled pvp player. What is wrong is that there are classes that get rewarded for safe play like warriors get rewarded for blocking and being on SA with 26 AP.  What is unfair is that some classes are ranged and still dealing same damage or more than melee classes and both ranged and melee are squishy. In this game not always risk = reward.

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Wat? "Evasion is a way to protect yourself" do you even use logic? So you think it's easyer to play when every little mistake causes your death or when you have to miss play 2 times in a row? I've watched video of this evasion players and they are so  bad that they couldn't even kill a fresh 56 with an ap build.

 

evasion=skilless plebs that zerg and spam grabs

 

 

Yeah, i think it's easy to PvP in this game.

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Wat? "Evasion is a way to protect yourself" do you even use logic? So you think it's easyer to play when every little mistake causes your death or when you have to miss play 2 times in a row? I've watched video of this evasion players and they are so  bad that they couldn't even kill a fresh 56 with an ap build.

 

evasion=skilless plebs that zerg and spam grabs

 

 

??? link please..

 

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Yeah, i think it's easy to PvP in this game.

ye and let me guess you have 320 dp and you are a warrior or a wizard  (or even ranger).

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Yeah but having gear isn't really making you win every fight. Eg if you are tamer it doesn't matter if u have 200 or 300 dp or even 330 - you will get killed if u do not dodge incoming ccs. Tbh it is same about ranger and other squishy classes but i don't play those so i can't tell. But having experience and knowing the class is basically a description of a skilled pvp player. What is wrong is that there are classes that get rewarded for safe play like warriors get rewarded for blocking and being on SA with 26 AP.  What is unfair is that some classes are ranged and still dealing same damage or more than melee classes and both ranged and melee are squishy. In this game not always risk = reward.

I agree, we see that the problem is also the balance between the classes in the game but hey, is it not like that in every PvP game?

ye and let me guess you have 320 dp and you are a warrior or a wizard  (or even ranger).

You never know, but then I would have to delete my previous post about my statement of the one click pvp we have in the game. I am actually backing your post up.... >.> about the PvP is a joke, guess you missed that.

 

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PvP died the moment it required players to grind endless PvE and casino-enchant gear. While I can sympathize with the frustration caused by perceived imbalances, try looking past sunk costs and just leave this underdeveloped aspect of the game - or even the game as a whole - behind if proper PvP is truly what you are looking for.

In its current implementation, PvP is indeed just a bad joke catering to the incompetent.

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I agree, we see that the problem is also the balance between the classes in the game but hey, is it not like that in every PvP game?

I don't think there are balance issues in CS:GO or LoL :D

Balance is the most important thing in all PvP games. There is no reason to not experiment and not just play around with numbers and see how community sees it... I mean game is kinda imbalanced now when it comes to group pvp. 1v1 pvp seems to be okayish though (except grab combos, ----- grab combos). Saying that other games have problems too is wrong because you should point out it both in those games and in BDO and keep pointing that out until it get fixed.

PvP died the moment it required players to grind endless PvE and casino-enchant gear. While I can sympathize with the frustration caused by perceived imbalances, try looking past sunk costs and just leave this underdeveloped aspect of the game - or even the game as a whole - behind if proper PvP is truly what you are looking for.

In its current implementation, PvP is indeed just a bad joke catering to the incompetent.

The gear threadmill ends on TET armor/weap and TRI accs. Noone will have much more than that.

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bullshit

what skill makes you move out as a valk if you are not blocking? Even with block it depends where it was casted on. Even the jump what is an iframe does not work.

So proofed you are the noob - and i dont think it... i know it.

Git gud at valk nyn  you just  need to keep your eyes  on 6 sorcs  at a time and dodge their black  holes  in 1.7sec cast window.  I mean who can't  do that right?  Filthy  casuals disguist  me.

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PvP died the moment it required players to grind endless PvE and casino-enchant gear. While I can sympathize with the frustration caused by perceived imbalances, try looking past sunk costs and just leave this underdeveloped aspect of the game - or even the game as a whole - behind if proper PvP is truly what you are looking for.

In its current implementation, PvP is indeed just a bad joke catering to the incompetent.

wot?   We are not talking about grind and rng. The game is unbalanced even at equal gear. 

??? link please..

 

I'm not at the computer but it's a video from some retard ninja on na that's get cc'd and combed 5/6 times in a row without dying and ppl think he is good lul

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PvP died the moment it required players to grind endless PvE and casino-enchant gear.

In its current implementation, PvP is indeed just a bad joke catering to the incompetent.

^this.

 

While I can sympathize with the frustration caused by perceived imbalances, try looking past sunk costs and just leave this underdeveloped aspect of the game

That game should have an option to totaly shut down that """""pvp"""""" If they never plan / bother providing a """pvp""" that really deserve this appellation.

Since after lvl 50 you still can be forced into it ( even if you just let the aggressor kill you, its still a waste of your time for "someone else ""fun""" )

 

wot?   We are not talking about grind and rng. The game is unbalanced even at equal gear.

A "equal gear" situation certainly happen very very rarely / never oO , so the rng / grind is the first source of "broken pvp" state.

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^this.

 

That game should have an option to totaly shut down that """""pvp"""""" If they never plan / bother providing a """pvp""" that really deserve this appellation.

Since after lvl 50 you still can be forced into it ( even if you just let the aggressor kill you, its still a waste of your time for "someone else ""fun""" )

 

 

A "equal gear" situation certainly happen very very rarely / never oO , so the rng / grind is the first source of "broken pvp" state.

Really? because it happens all the time if you play on a decent competitive level. 

 

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