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My slightly less capslock thoughts on enchanting

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no infact I think they need to add one more thing to pen trys and that is make the item vanish/exsplode on fail to prevent whaleing.

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You guys are so stupid... Kakao will never do sth about enchant system.... Players are quiting? They not care!! When sales will drop below lvl they can accept they will just MAKE GAME f2P and add valk cries... It will give them few millions $ again easy... Thats how MMO market currently looks like!! Why trying some risky moves to remodel whole game when there is easy, safe way to profit from game for few years?

Do you guys even know what RNG is?

It means that even if you have 70% to sucees, you can fail 12894568974586754786 times.

You don't feel lucky? Don't try to do it yourself ... buy it off the market.

And if you are already at TET and want to get PEN ... well in this case get 10b silver, and try to get one piece of equipment from TET to PEN. If you fail, try again next month after you get more silver.

 

I pay/play lottery every week in my country for last 5 years, and yet I don't complain that I have never won it.

Try to do math sometimes before posting... Try to count what chance he has to fail duo 43 times in row... Look here:

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1223626305

Put 43 in number of trials and 2/6 chance and see results to success 0 times... Number will blow your mind...

 

In fact you have bigger chance to win in lottery then to fail duo 43 times in row!! Its clearly proof that enchant system in this game is fixed...

 

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Yeah, I meant to quote OP

what ? i dont get what you are saying actualy xD

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For all ignorants who think we have true rng in this game look below whats real chance to fail 43 times in row with 33% chance:

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1223626305

Put 43 in number of trails and 2/6 chance and see results...

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what ? i dont get what you are saying actualy xD

I was wondering why the OP, who knew about this so-called "enchant lock out", would persist when it became clear he was getting silly FS.

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Enchant system we have in place is why pvp in this game is dead.

In this game skills are meaningless except for maybe 5% nolifers who are equal. It's 100% gear 0% skill.

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I mean, when I go to the casino I too complain and demand repayment after I win a 300m item then lose it trying to make 3b.

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Enchant system we have in place is why pvp in this game is dead.

In this game skills are meaningless except for maybe 5% nolifers who are equal. But even some of them would lose in pvp if gear had less cap.

I always like this excuse. Lots of the no-lifers are people that learn every single in and out of there class. Alot of the higher up nolifers are people that were well known in GW2, Blade & Soul, and WoW Arena. I commonly know people that were 2300-2500 in 3's which is very good. 

No-lifers are normally very good even without gear. If you play something 10 hours a day every day, you'll become good even if you originally suck. 

This is a gear game. Gear is important, along with skill and level.

If you don't like gear then there is always GW2. GW2 is the most equalized PvP MMORPG that exists, in SPVP a brand new bought GW2 account is the same as someone who's played for years. Infact it's so equalized and fair that it results in the game having 0 player progression which is why so many GW2 PvP players quit

This game isn't trying to be an e-sports game, it doesn't have to be fair. This isn't your casual north american MMORPG like WoW and GW2. It requires tons of effort and it sucks if people don't have the time but that's how it is, there's other people just like you that you can fight against though. 

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I mean, when I go to the casino I too complain and demand repayment after I win a 300m item then lose it trying to make 3b.

Only people who can afford or are mentally sick would gamble that kind of money. Most people can't afford to nolife in this game 12hour every single day but they do get sick of this game so they quit.

there's other people just like you that you can fight against though. 

 There aren't. 30 veterans join limitless battlefield and rest will follow. Limited is allmost completely dead.

No-lifers are normally very good even without gear. If you play something 10 hours a day every day, you'll become good even if you originally suck. 

Time doesn't equal skill. It only helps to reach slightly higher of your potential.

Ex-glad could keep 3-years brake from wow come back and get 2.7k rating. Someone could play 3-years straight and still be only at  1.7k.

In lol or overwatch you can play 4-years and never reach diamond.

Cs veteran who played many years can get easily outplayed by 17-year old kid.

 

This is only game in market which doesn't appreciate equal playfield. Basically grinding mobs 24/7 months while watching tv because it's so brainless gives you 100-0 advantage over someone who is potentially better player than you.

Then again I'm also fine for having slight advantage. I'm ok with endless progression as long as reduce gap like getting less stats per enchant level. Like I don't mind meeting opponent who has 15ap + 15dp more than me example. But +115ap + 115 dp? ----- no. I rather quit which I've allready done. Now I just want to inform new players how this game works and reason I'm still in forums.

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For all ignorants who think we have true rng in this game look below whats real chance to fail 43 times in row with 33% chance:

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1223626305

Put 43 in number of trails and 2/6 chance and see results...

100% this

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100% this

The chance of getting heads/tails when flipping a coin is 50/50. That doesn't mean it will go heads, tails, heads, tails, heads, tails, heads, tails.

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I was wondering why the OP, who knew about this so-called "enchant lock out", would persist when it became clear he was getting silly FS.

maybe because that game dont leave other choice ?  directly ask the OP then ;)

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The chance of getting heads/tails when flipping a coin is 50/50. That doesn't mean it will go heads, tails, heads, tails, heads, tails, heads, tails.

Man its really simple... Chance to fail 43 times in row with 33% chance is 2,67963635 E-8.... Do you even got what that number means? We dont have true rng in BDO, system is fixed...

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Each press of the enchant button is a completely independent probability and not linked in any way to the former attempt. The only change is below the max chance threshold where your chances get narrowly improved.

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Each press of the enchant button is a completely independent probability and not linked in any way to the former attempt. The only change is below the max chance threshold where your chances get narrowly improved.

Pls go back to school and learn whats math probability is... Im tired of teaching ppl math on this forum... When you flip coin or go to casino and play roulette each attempt is independent probability too... Yet you still can count your chance to get head once if you for example flip coin 10 times no row...

Chance to fail 43 times in row with 33% chance is 2,67963635 E-8 and thats all what you should comment...

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For all ignorants who think we have true rng in this game look below whats real chance to fail 43 times in row with 33% chance:

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1223626305

Put 43 in number of trails and 2/6 chance and see results...

If I failed 42 times at +8 to +9, does that make me a God?

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If I failed 42 times at +8 to +9, does that make me a God?

Nope, but if you're not bullshitting it's hinting that their random number generator is not working properly.

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Man its really simple... Chance to fail 43 times in row with 33% chance is 2,67963635 E-8.... Do you even got what that number means? We dont have true rng in BDO, system is fixed...

you do realise that RNG are by definition flawed random numbers already right?

 

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Failed PEN, Failed TET
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stacks from 18 to 50

Failed pen and not more than a 50 stack, you deserve failing :-)

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lol rng is rng, and u are an idiot

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Try to do math sometimes before posting... Try to count what chance he has to fail duo 43 times in row... Look here:

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1223626305

Put 43 in number of trials and 2/6 chance and see results to success 0 times... Number will blow your mind...

 

In fact you have bigger chance to win in lottery then to fail duo 43 times in row!! Its clearly proof that enchant system in this game is fixed...

 

Yeah I agree with you.

But it can still fail 43 times in a row.

2/6 is not 100% success, so theoreticly you could fail it for eternity. It's unlikely but possible.

 

So you guys acctually think thatthe whole system is rigged? You know how much work would it take for PA ro rigg some items and that system? I'm sorry, but I belive that they just made simple random number generating system and that's it.

I don't think there is anything special hinding behind that system. But maybe I'm a fool who doesn't see what's in front of him. Just shared my opinion, and to me it seems just fine.

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Pls go back to school and learn whats math probability is... Im tired of teaching ppl math on this forum... When you flip coin or go to casino and play roulette each attempt is independent probability too... Yet you still can count your chance to get head once if you for example flip coin 10 times no row...

Chance to fail 43 times in row with 33% chance is 2,67963635 E-8 and thats all what you should comment...

And this guy example is why a lot of people think that on a roulette when there has been 5 reds in a row it's almost impossible that the next one will be black.

This is called the gambler's fallacy and the chance to fail 43 times in a row with 33% chance = 2.67963635E-8 is only BEFORE you start enchanting. After the first 42 fails the results are no longer unknown because you knew you failed, so their probabilities are 1 and so the probability of success in the 43th attemp knowing that you failed on the 42th previous ones still is 33%.

So yeah keep teaching statistics, you seem a good statistician.

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And this guy example is why a lot of people think that on a roulette when there has been 5 reds in a row it's almost impossible that the next one will be black.

This is called the gambler's fallacy and the chance to fail 43 times in a row with 33% chance = 2.67963635E-8 is only BEFORE you start enchanting. After the first 42 fails the results are no longer unknown because you knew you failed, so their probabilities are 1 and so the probability of success in the 43th attemp knowing that you failed on the 42th previous ones still is 33%.

So yeah keep teaching statistics, you seem a good statistician.

Man you are idiot its obvious that with insane luck you can win in roulette 5 or 6 times in row... But difference between 6 times (around 0,015 [in other words 1,5%] chance) and 43 times (around 1,13 E-13 chance) is so big that its next to impossible to achieve that!! Find at least one guy in mankind history who achieved to win or loose in roulette (or flip coin game)  43th times in row... It never happened and will most likely not happen in next 1000 years of our history, but ofc one guy who play BDO just achieved that... 

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Man you are idiot its obvious that with insane luck you can win in roulette 5 or 6 times in row... But difference between 5,6 times and 43 times is so big that its next to impossible to achieve that!! Find at least one guy in mankind history who achieved to win or loose in roulette (or flip coin game)  43th times in row... It never happened and will most likely not happen in next 1000 years of our history, but ofc one guy who play BDO just achieved that... 

Let me ask you just one thing ... Is it possible that someone would fail at it 43 times?

The answer is YES.

We found the special snowflake in BDO. Congratulations!

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Let me ask you just one thing ... Is it possible that someone would fail at it 43 times?

The answer is YES.

We found the special snowflake in BDO. Congratulations!

7 billion people can play roulette game in same time for few years and most likely noone will achieve that, but somehow one BDO player got it easy... Yea sounds like believable...

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