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Siege guild tier list 18th of February


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S TIER: Barcode

S- TIER: ManUp

A++ TIER: Vision

A+ TIER: Lunar

A TIER:  Alloy, ChoNation, Lotd

B+ TIER: BlackRose

B TIER: Critical, Audacity 

B- Tier: Insomnia, NewEra

Explanation:

Someone got sad I didn't give explanations, luckily for everyone, I am a benevolent tier list generator and have given an explanation alongside each guild.

Barcode: Have a solid leader with no signs of taking a "break", top tier gear, good mechanically, good strategy, solid shotcalling but not perfect, homogeneous, and the ability to pull allies. While other guilds have the issues of players become fragmented due to their past guilds (see relevant/manup/mangos, support/rage) BC's environment that has been fostered, allows for this to be basically a non-factor. While other guilds lose members to these issues, BC is able to capitalize on it by bringing in top tier players, from top tier guilds constantly, to replace the ever burdening reality of inactivity, allowing for the guild to not stagnate and to progress.

ManUp: Have good shotcalling for the most part (Valencia 30 min siege, nm on that one LUL), very strong players mechanically, and good gear. They are able to overcome most guilds through this, but run into problems when they can not roll over a guild with just this, which is where they start doubting calls, and start acting more like it is RBF. Unlike BC, their guild is very fragmented, mango/relevant/manup, and through this, there is the potential for them to lose sizeable chunks of players at a time because of their players still holding onto their past faction. Without Lacari staying vigilant and making sure not to go on any more breaks, I fear that ManUp has the possibility to die overnight, or at least drop to  number three behind Vision. Fortunately, like Barcode, they are able to constantly get new players due to their all-star streaming trio of Lacari/Macilus/Zeth. With the allure of playing with their favorite streamers/LACARI MEME VID xD, they manage to get players from tier 2/3 guilds who have the gear, and the mechanics, but not necessarily the experience in region wars.

Vision: With the addition of 15-20 imports they can really call themselves a serious region guild, with the ability to break into the top two. While they do have some very geared players, on average their gear is worse than bc/manup. Since they are used to fighting outmanned they have not yet acclimatized to fighting in a 90-100 man force and currently lack the "big damage on my ping" which is needed to focus down targets quickly. They also have a certain stigma associated with their guild (meme'ing) and this could stop some potential mergers/geared players from joining. If Vision was able to cuck ManUp, and bring over MangoBay group, I believe Vision would have the ability to step over lacari's dying body to achieve greatness. 

Lunar: While they have gear, and numbers, in general their players are less mechanically inclined than other players with their level of gear, it would almost seem as if they got their gear without having to grind for it :thinking:, which both practises mechanics, and hones them. They have yet to learn how to fight as a team post-merge, and currently seem to have some issues with shotcalling. It will be interesting to see if they will once again manage to break into the big 3 once they have ironed out these kinks.

Alloy: Like a worse Vision pre-20 imports. They have worse gear, worse players mechanically, worse strategy, worse shot-calling, and worse team fighting. I do not seem them progressing any higher in the rankings unless a guild rolls over and dies and they somehow manage to poach the members who have crawled out of the carcass. I would suggest they stick to t2 regions if they wish to get a castle in 2017, might I suggest Eiffel towering LoTD with the assistance of another A-lister guild?

ChoNation: Not much can be said here, stronger after the merge with WolvesOfWar which assisted with boosting their numbers and also their average GS. I expect to see them sit on Serendia unless an alliance from the t2 guilds want to overthrow them.

LoTD: Great turnout, average gearscore, this combined means 4 weeks of not getting contested and free money for all lucky enough. Would be nice to see them give away balenos and see them work with possibly Alloy/BlackRose to push ManUp/BC out of their respective regions.

BlackRose: They are very organized, know how to play factions for their benefit, and in general have a good core. Unfortunately, they do not have the gear and the current turnout to be a major threat. Would be nice to see them teamup to take out LoTD/ChoNation if no other deals have been previously setup. 

Critical: Good snake charmers, don't know much else about them |:

Audacity: Do not know much about them except Critical boyfriend.

Insomnia: Solid turnout, average gear, good for softening up opponents for better geared guilds.

NewEra: Solid turnout, average gear, good for softening up opponents for better geared guilds.

 

Please no meme'ing, just keep it factual and concise if you disagree with the ranking, and I will make changes if it makes logical sense.. 

Edited by SuperiorAmericanIntellect
Explanation because GoodGuySuperiorAmericanIntellect

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S TIER: Barcode

S- TIER: ManUp

A++ TIER: Vision

A+ TIER: Lunar

 

 

Please no meme'ing, just keep it factual and concise if you disagree with the ranking, and I will make changes if it makes logical sense.. 

lol

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Please no meme'ing

This entire post is a meme. Stop talking.

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----- memes

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Vision is stronger than ManUp tho..

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S TIER: Barcode

S- TIER: ManUp

A++ TIER: Vision

A+ TIER: Lunar

A TIER:  Alloy, ChoNation, Lotd

B+ TIER: BlackRose

B TIER: Critical, Audacity 

B- Tier: Insomnia, NewEra

 

Please no meme'ing, just keep it factual and concise if you disagree with the ranking, and I will make changes if it makes logical sense.. 

lol

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How the holy hell are gravity's remnants even still on the list .-.

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----- memes

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I'm not going to lie, I don't know too much about memes, but this looks like a meme to me. 

 

PLEASE  keep this thread SERIOUS, and once again NO MEME'ing. 

Thank you everyone and have a lovely day!

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The current state of region war IS a meme.

Gl with that.

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S TIER: Barcode

S- TIER: ManUp

A++ TIER: Vision

A+ TIER: Lunar

A TIER:  Alloy, ChoNation, Lotd

B+ TIER: BlackRose

B TIER: Critical, Audacity 

B- Tier: Insomnia, NewEra

Considering guilds on their own merits in a 1v1 not zerg potential I would rate as follows:

ManUp

Vision

Barcode

Alloy

Lolunar

LotD

Critical

ChoNation

Everyone else is too small to matter in large scale sieges on their own.

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Considering guilds on their own merits in a 1v1 not zerg potential I would rate as follows:

ManUp

Vision

Barcode

Alloy

Lolunar

LotD

Critical

ChoNation

Everyone else is too small to matter in large scale sieges on their own.

There is no way at all Critical is ahead of BlackRose. We sat them down pretty easily last night after working with Vision to drop Lunar.

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Noodle's list is pretty accurate with the exception of Critical and Grav being on the list at all.

Critical is literally only a siege bartering guild and all their progress boils down to politics.

Gravity was a powerhouse until they hinged too heavily on their politics  and let their pandering to Iconic and attempts to save face in open world pvp destroy their pvp core. Their last 3 region accomplishments boil down to Critical tier politics and will eventually leave Gravity#2 the same as Critical now.

As Greggy guild hops for the umpteenth time.

Right now the only guild potentially capable of mixing up the region triumvirate of ManCodeSnek is Alloy, and while they used to go almost toe to toe with Vision, while they were both wanting to stay small powerhouses abstaining form siege politics, Vision better breached into the new world region scene (admittedly with some help from old edan siege brothers in arms ManChoSnek) and is formidably stronger now with their merge. The same could be said for Alloy, but they did not get a comparable tier and competition of players from their merge, and while I'm sure they would be quick to denounce package deals for players joining,  some of those players would not be there on their own merits.

Alloy is still strong, but not as strong as lotd likes to make them out to be for loosing to them in Calpheon. Lotd legit made some dumb plays and miscommunication/lack of communication that Alloy rightly took advantage of.

Until ManUp's internal conflict actually boils into meaningful external conflict, the triumvirate will not change as ManCodeSnek, for however much they may rp rivalry, all have each other's interest in mind as they have worked together/played together pre-merge end pre-this game.

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Considering guilds on their own merits in a 1v1 not zerg potential I would rate as follows:

ManUp

Vision

Barcode

Alloy

Lolunar

LotD

Critical

ChoNation

Everyone else is too small to matter in large scale sieges on their own.

i would boost chonation higher then critical tbh

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i would boost chonation higher then critical tbh

list is shit everyones sleeping on waifu

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Right now the only guild potentially capable of mixing up the region triumvirate of ManCodeSnek is Alloy, and while they used to go almost toe to toe with Vision, while they were both wanting to stay small powerhouses abstaining form siege politics.

 

Alloy, and while they used to go almost toe to toe with Vision

 

toe to toe with Vision

 

alloy_-_gg_montage.png

:ph34r:

 

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There is no way at all Critical is ahead of BlackRose. We sat them down pretty easily last night after working with Vision to drop Lunar.

Actually I'm pretty sure they would stomp you.  You contradicted yourself there "after working with Vision".  I clearly said, "On their own" and "not zerg".  

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Actually I'm pretty sure they would stomp you.

I just spit out my water.

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Actually I'm pretty sure they would stomp you.  You contradicted yourself there "after working with Vision".  I clearly said, "On their own" and "not zerg".  

Black Rose solo'd Critical.

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Considering guilds on their own merits in a 1v1 not zerg potential I would rate as follows:

ManUp

Vision

Barcode

Alloy

Lolunar

LotD

Critical

ChoNation

Everyone else is too small to matter in large scale sieges on their own.

Considering ChoNation held out against a 3v1 against critical, audacity, and LoTD assault for well over an hour 3 weeks ago, (where the former 2 lost to LoTD within 30 minutes after Cho's eventual death), Forced a 1v1 on Iconic, defeating them and causing them to merge into Gravity by result, (killing them in about 40 minutes) Yeah I'm gonna call bullshit on you placing Critical over Cho. Obviously you're just spewing crap from your asshole as Critical obviously can't win in a 1v1 against any guild.

S TIER: Barcode

S- TIER: ManUp

A++ TIER: Vision

A+ TIER: Lunar

A TIER:  Alloy, ChoNation, Lotd

B+ TIER: BlackRose

B TIER: Critical, Audacity 

B- Tier: Insomnia, NewEra

 

Please no meme'ing, just keep it factual and concise if you disagree with the ranking, and I will make changes if it makes logical sense.. 

more importantly, WHERE ARE YOUR REASONS?

 

Reading your reasons for tier placement are half the fun in these posts.

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How come no one brings up ManUp getting wiped at Vision's base during the Calpheon siege, and how Vision would have likely won the castle had it not been for Alloy coming to ManUp's rescue..?

Edited by Catgrill

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How come no one brings up ManUp getting wiped at Vision's base during the Calpheon siege, and how Vision would have likely won the castle had it not been for Alloy coming to ManUp's rescue..?

Because Vision wiped manup when they had the defender's advantage all of a sudden they are stronger? 

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S+ TIER: Barcode

S TIER: Vision

A+ TIER: Lunar

A TIER:  ManUp, Alloy, ChoNation, Lotd

B+ TIER: BlackRose, Audacity

B TIER: Critical, Insomnia, NewEra

Moved ManUp to it's current strength equivalent position :D upped Audacity one rank for their snakecharming skills and removed the - tiers, looks a lot more accurate now.

 

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Because Vision wiped manup when they had the defender's advantage all of a sudden they are stronger? 

Vision is at least on the same level as ManUp now if nothing else, otherwise this "defender's advantage" would be a non-factor.

And from what I saw (Zethian's stream), ManUp couldn't even get to Vision's base (which was past the bridge) without getting wiped.. So if the advantage you're referring to refers to siege equipment, they didn't use it.

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